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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAn unarmed, prone, white woman was killed by police here and hardly anyone cares about that, either.
Last edited Thu May 6, 2021, 10:39 PM - Edit history (5)
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I've posted the KUOW report below. First, my comments.
Maybe the powers-that-be don't care because this 39 year old mother of a 7 year old was possibly mentally ill. All that's known for sure is that she had called 911, and the police say they recovered a gun in her apartment after they shot her in her apartment hallway. (No gun was reported to be recovered with her body.)
She was killed in September 2020, when the police issued a statement that appears deceptive in retrospect (it implied that the police shot her in self defense). The Seattle Times published a short piece with the police statement. Since then, we've heard virtually nothing till NPR/KUOW came out with an investigative piece, but there are still many unanswered questions.
For example, why has no autopsy been released after 7 months? We need the autopsy to know whether she was shot in the back, as it appears, based on the KUOW report. (For comparison, George Floyd's was released in about two weeks -- so it's possible.)
Why were the involved police allowed to go back to work while the investigation was still ongoing -- even though the officers, who fired a total of 6 assault rifle bullets at her, while she was lying one the floor, had provided no statements as recently as January?
Why didn't they handcuff her after they made her lie on the ground? Why did they wait to handcuff her till after they'd shot her six times (before they administered CPR)?
When will King County and the Redmond Sheriff's office finally complete their investigation of a shooting that occurred more than 7 months ago?
There are no body cams in the suburbs of Seattle, and all the neighbors appear to have been taking shelter in their apartments, so there were apparently no other cell phone videos either. All we have to go on is this KUOW report, and it's damning.
It turns out that only 47% of the police departments in the country use body cams, and we're not lucky enough to have them here. I bet we'd have some answers by now if we did.
https://www.kuow.org/stories/redmond-woman-was-on-the-ground-for-three-minutes-when-she-was-fatally-shot-by-police-records-show
Officer Barnard yelled for her to get on the ground, which she did.
SNIP
I looked around the area where she was laying for a weapon and I did not see one in the immediate area, the officer wrote. The King County Sheriffs Office Major Crimes Unit would later locate a loaded handgun in Churnas apartment, according to an October 2020 press release.
Churna, still on the ground, turned her head to look back at officers. She asked about her ex-husband. Officers Mendoza and Barnard told Churna not to move, and said that if she did, she would be shot. Another officer told Churna that he didnt know where her ex-husband was, and that she needed to stay still.
SNIP
As the officer with the ballistic shield and another were arriving on the fourth floor from the elevator, they heard the other officers yelling commands.
Churna had shifted her body counter-clockwise a short distance, according to police documents. Officers demanded that she stay still. Churnas legs and lower body remained on the ground, but she lifted her chest and, according to a police report, raised her arm in the direction towards her apartment door.
Police opened fire again, this time striking Churna multiple times. By this point, she had been on the ground for more than three minutes.
SNIP
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/woman-fatally-shot-by-redmond-police-identified-by-medical-examiners-office/
Above is a link to the deceptive statement put out by the police and published by the Seattle Times in September. It leaves out the parts about her being unarmed at the time of the shooting, and lying on the floor. According to the KUOW report, the involved officers are all back on the job now.
Wolf-Buck said the woman told the officers she had shot someone, but they found no one in her apartment and no known shooting victim is associated with her statement. Then, at some point, the woman confronted officers with a handgun and was shot multiple times, and she died at the scene, Wolf-Buck said this week.
Three Redmond officers were placed on paid administrative leave while the shooting is investigated by the King County Sheriffs Office.
Redmond's Police chief says he doesn't expect, based on current information, for there to be charges against the officers, and that is why they were returned to their jobs.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,308 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)This has to end.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)in the country do.
Seattle has them, but not the suburbs.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)have to be called out and eliminated.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)once she laid on the ground? Whoever heard of police handcuffing a shooting victim BEFORE giving CPR?
And the woman's father is a retired cop, who'd given her the gun for her protection because she thought she was being stalked. He's going to regret that for the rest of his life.
robbob
(3,522 posts)They told her not to move, she moved, so they killed her. No gun was found near the body. They executed a prone, unarmed woman for moving. Sickening.
Blue Owl
(50,263 posts)riversedge
(70,084 posts)...........The King County Prosecutors Office said it is awaiting a complete investigation to review, for which there is no deadline for the sheriffs office to complete. In January, Sheriffs office investigators said their probe was complete, but later returned to collect missing statements from officers.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)without statements from the officers?
And yet those officers are back on the job.
riversedge
(70,084 posts)it a few times. Thanks.
The family needs some answers
RockRaven
(14,900 posts)There should be some goddamned consequences, but there never are.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)they were justified in killing people because they said so.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)It's obvious why many don't want them.
uponit7771
(90,302 posts)Bettie
(16,073 posts)Seven months? Someone is hiding something.
And again, I'll ask, are there zero non-lethal options available to police?
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)out why no one's following up on the KUOW report.
Bettie
(16,073 posts)It mystifies me sometimes what gets covered and what doesn't...it really does.
JoeOtterbein
(7,699 posts)So why haven't the killer cops been arrested?
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)even though they hadn't submitted statements to the Sheriff's office.
In January, the King Country prosecutor returned the Sheriff's report back to the Sheriff's office, saying it was incomplete without those statements. Andrea's father said he was told they had refused to give them.
JoeOtterbein
(7,699 posts)...wrong. They need to be locked up before they kill again.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,462 posts)If you have mental illness.
I called 911 to go to the hospital.
They could have let me go with the ambulance.
Instead they cuffed me in my apartment parking lot like a criminal and put me in a plexiglass box built into the car seat inside the car. I was totally compliant and all I was doing was crying.
I warned them I have nerve damage in my back and cuffing my hands behind my back would be very painful.
They cuffed my hands behind my back and when we got to the ER I asked them to take off the cuffs because they were hurting me bad. I was cuffed in the ER for around 2 hours. I was not mad violent or anything. I just had tears running down my face because of depression.
Cops mistreat and kill people with mental illness in obscene numbers..when they are asking for help,or they need help.
They hate vulnerable people.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,699 posts)...horrible!
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)pnwmom
(108,955 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,781 posts)First I'm reading this
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)intheflow
(28,442 posts)in a hallway and missed completely all three times? A rookie, only a year out of the police academy? When more officers arrived, he said that she had pointed a gun at them, was shot at three times, and he was unsure if he'd hit her. (She returned to her apartment after being shot at, the first time.) How do you, an LEO trained in the proper use of firearms, miss your target in an apartment hallway, no more than 20 feet away (guesstimating by the map at the link)?
I'm going to say this was a cover-up of a young cop being completely freaked out and going off literally full-cocked. The officer outside seems like he was successfully using deescalation techniques while inside the new guy is on such hyper high alert he's distorting the danger in his actions and reports to other officers, which upped their hyper-vigilance
And where the fuck is her attorney ex-husband, who she supposedly moved to the apartment to coparent their son? Why hasn't he stepped up to ask any questions?
Man, this is a big time cl*sterf*ck!
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)AND those 3 bullets entered the apartment across the hall, and they were just LUCKY that no person happened to be in that apartment at the time.
Right, I agree that the first officer sounded like he was successfully de-escalating, until everything went haywire. He even sent word to the other officers that she was unarmed and they could get her NOW, while she was talking to him, but they declined. Instead they waited till she went out into the hall, and then told her to lie down on the ground, and shot her for moving.
intheflow
(28,442 posts)In the apartment? If he was with his dad/her ex, was he then in the car when her ex arrived on the scene? Really, the whole thing is odd as hell.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)I'm also still trying to figure out why they'd handcuff a woman whose heart had stopped beating, before administering CPR.
I can't believe that's standard procedure.
niyad
(113,074 posts)DashOneBravo
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Demovictory9
(32,421 posts)Pinback
(12,152 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,560 posts)...so I guess we can expect it to happen anywhere.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)have body cams. I'd gotten the impression somehow that they were standard now.
Everyone should be checking with their cities to see if their department has them or not.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,560 posts)Of course you feel that this was unlikely to happen in WA.
Hope things are good in the Evergreen State!
Except for that poor woman, of course.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)But if 47% of the country's departments can afford them, then there's no reason Seattle suburbs can't too.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,560 posts)It's not like Renton, et al, are Third World enclaves in pockets of wasteland within an otherwise pretty prosperous state.
Stuart G
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The cops know that they can get away with murder. Chauvin was a total exception because someone
got a video and pictures. When there is video there is proof. Cops have always gotten away with murder..
....It is just now, with videos, that cops are being held ....accountable.
....Chauvin wanted to kill Floyd, it was no mistake.
The mistake that was that there was a video....Just like the cop shooting the man running away a year or two ago. There was a video from someone passing by...
Both cops were absolutely sure that they would get away with it, that is why they did what they did.
That is my opinion and I am sticking to it. A jury agrees, at least with the Chauvin case...
uponit7771
(90,302 posts)... not holding officers accountable for impunity they yield.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)that's what some people might say.
It's infuriating.
Grokenstein
(5,721 posts)They really, really, REALLY wanted to shoot someone that night.
And they're out there now.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)LuvLoogie
(6,914 posts)He didn't rip into the cops that shot her? Is that in the reports anywhere?
Sorry, they have lost the benefit of the doubt. It currently lies with their unarmed victims.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)to be closer to her and their grandson.
Here we sit, seven months later, and still have no idea if there's going to be any accountability for our daughter's death, Thomas said. He and his wife, Maggie, moved to Washington state to be closer to their daughter.
Prior to Churna's move to Redmond, they were living with her and had not noticed her behaving differently in the days leading up to her death. He said Andrea had been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder after she was stalked but that she was taking medication and was stable.
Thomas is also frustrated that Redmond police dont use body camera footage, meaning prosecutors must rely on the officers word about what transpired.
calimary
(81,110 posts)pnwmom
(108,955 posts)Do you have any thoughts about why the major paper, the Seattle Times, hasn't been covering this?
calimary
(81,110 posts)Not sure why that is.
All I can guess is - maybe it didnt blow any whistles or set off any alarms because this victim was white? Seems to me many of us by now, including the newsfolk, are more hardwired toward the many more times theres a victim of color.
Just a guess, though.
betsuni
(25,380 posts)uponit7771
(90,302 posts)Celerity
(43,108 posts)samsingh
(17,590 posts)don't call the police for help.
We are paying them to kill our citizens because there are so many evil, incompetent and cowardly members of the police. I am very pro-union, but the police unions are evil incarnate.
my opinion.
malthaussen
(17,175 posts)Our communities really need to do something about hair-trigger responses.
-- Mal
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)58Sunliner
(4,372 posts)I share the frustration that the media does not ask for accountability. The number of people shot that don't get scrutinized is frightening. No one should ever assume race, sex, or status will protect you. I don't see the immediate community marching or protesting. It also looks like the local elected representatives are not doing their job.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)that were a cause for alarm. The statement in September strongly implied that the police had shot her in self defense (without mentioning that she was lying on the ground when she was shot, and unarmed). And then no one did any investigating, till this KUOW reporter decided to look into it.
And even now, there has only been this one radio story, and the main paper, The Seattle Times, isn't touching it. When I mention it to people no one has heard of it.
I don't know why her parents aren't speaking up more strongly. Her dad was interviewed by NPR and made his unhappiness clear. But if I were him I'd be doing more.
Maybe they're trying to focus on the little boy.
58Sunliner
(4,372 posts)I think we need federal requirements for oversight on all shootings since the local pd's seem to cta.
oldsoftie
(12,491 posts)Too many cops on a power trip regardless of race of either