Sun May 9, 2021, 07:41 PM
Tomconroy (6,682 posts)
Would you have stormed the Capitol on 1/6 if the election had been stolen by Trump?Last edited Sun May 9, 2021, 08:30 PM - Edit history (1)
I don't mean to excuse the insurrectionists. I think all of them need to do a little jail time. And some need to do a lot of jail time. But I can't help but think about what could have happened. I was absolutely convinced that those Republican legislatures were going to send their own set of electors to Washington. Kavanaugh had apparently written an opinion giving state legislatures a roadmap to overturning a democratic election. Only because of some unknown Republican office holders was democracy upheld.
If Trump had actually succeeded in his vile scheme I don't know what I would have done. I think I would have done something. I'm 66 years old, in lousy shape, but I wouldn't have let our democracy be stolen. I wouldn't have used bear spray and I guess would have been prepared to do some time. We came so close to losing our democracy. It still makes me angry.
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Tomconroy | May 2021 | OP |
greenjar_01 | May 2021 | #1 | |
Drum | May 2021 | #2 | |
Hekate | May 2021 | #26 | |
demtenjeep | May 2021 | #3 | |
Skittles | May 2021 | #4 | |
Xavier Breath | May 2021 | #6 | |
Hekate | May 2021 | #25 | |
malaise | May 2021 | #10 | |
Eko | May 2021 | #5 | |
Nexus2 | May 2021 | #19 | |
hlthe2b | May 2021 | #7 | |
JI7 | May 2021 | #8 | |
Skittles | May 2021 | #12 | |
uponit7771 | May 2021 | #51 | |
obamanut2012 | May 2021 | #59 | |
Claire Oh Nette | May 2021 | #9 | |
everyonematters | May 2021 | #11 | |
Dan | May 2021 | #13 | |
Kingofalldems | May 2021 | #14 | |
LakeArenal | May 2021 | #15 | |
Hekate | May 2021 | #16 | |
TexasTowelie | May 2021 | #17 | |
Hoyt | May 2021 | #18 | |
ZonkerHarris | May 2021 | #20 | |
DTomlinson | May 2021 | #29 | |
WA-03 Democrat | May 2021 | #33 | |
StevieM | May 2021 | #46 | |
WA-03 Democrat | May 2021 | #63 | |
ZonkerHarris | May 2021 | #41 | |
uponit7771 | May 2021 | #52 | |
Hekate | May 2021 | #54 | |
abqtommy | May 2021 | #21 | |
Takket | May 2021 | #22 | |
tanyev | May 2021 | #23 | |
StarfishSaver | May 2021 | #24 | |
honest.abe | May 2021 | #27 | |
Hekate | May 2021 | #56 | |
Faux pas | May 2021 | #28 | |
Tomconroy | May 2021 | #30 | |
Fiendish Thingy | May 2021 | #31 | |
sueh | May 2021 | #32 | |
flibbitygiblets | May 2021 | #34 | |
Tommy Carcetti | May 2021 | #35 | |
onecaliberal | May 2021 | #36 | |
fescuerescue | May 2021 | #37 | |
Crunchy Frog | May 2021 | #38 | |
stillcool | May 2021 | #39 | |
Polybius | May 2021 | #40 | |
edhopper | May 2021 | #42 | |
joshcryer | May 2021 | #43 | |
Hekate | May 2021 | #53 | |
joshcryer | May 2021 | #55 | |
global1 | May 2021 | #44 | |
Bettie | May 2021 | #45 | |
FlyingPiggy | May 2021 | #47 | |
blogslug | May 2021 | #48 | |
ismnotwasm | May 2021 | #49 | |
Progressive Jones | May 2021 | #50 | |
Voltaire2 | May 2021 | #57 | |
obamanut2012 | May 2021 | #58 | |
obamanut2012 | May 2021 | #60 | |
WA-03 Democrat | May 2021 | #64 | |
obamanut2012 | May 2021 | #68 | |
Tomconroy | May 2021 | #66 | |
Tomconroy | May 2021 | #67 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | May 2021 | #61 | |
Aristus | May 2021 | #62 | |
Tomconroy | May 2021 | #65 |
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 07:43 PM
Drum (8,049 posts)
2. Hold on, I'm getting some popcorn....n/t
Response to Drum (Reply #2)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:17 PM
Hekate (83,978 posts)
26. I brought extra butter to share. We seem to have a consensus developing here.
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 07:43 PM
demtenjeep (31,997 posts)
3. no
but I probably would be committed to an asylum by now
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 07:43 PM
Skittles (149,451 posts)
4. no
storming the Capitol is what brainwashed thugs do
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Response to Skittles (Reply #4)
Sun May 9, 2021, 07:46 PM
Xavier Breath (2,387 posts)
6. Exactly. Peaceful, full-throated demonstrations
in cities across the land? Definitely. An armed insurrection to aid in the destruction of democracy? No so much.
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Response to Xavier Breath (Reply #6)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:15 PM
Hekate (83,978 posts)
25. That's how I've lived my life. March. Vote. GOTV. Armed insurrection to destroy the govt? No. nt
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 07:44 PM
Eko (6,035 posts)
5. No,
March, protest, organize, go to court, those things yes.
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Response to Eko (Reply #5)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:10 PM
Nexus2 (1,261 posts)
19. Agreed.
Not as if I would make much of an insurgent, but I wouldn't try but having a nice anxiety and rage fueled nervous breakdown is entirely possible.
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 07:47 PM
hlthe2b (96,970 posts)
7. Before or after I wake up from a psychic trauma-induced coma?
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 07:47 PM
JI7 (87,922 posts)
8. We did have elections stolen from us
Response to JI7 (Reply #8)
Sun May 9, 2021, 07:57 PM
Skittles (149,451 posts)
12. you got THAT right
Gore was robbed, for SURE - and HILLARY too
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Response to JI7 (Reply #8)
Mon May 10, 2021, 11:52 AM
obamanut2012 (24,202 posts)
59. Exactly -- SCOTUS already stole one from us
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 07:48 PM
Claire Oh Nette (2,636 posts)
9. No.
Protest? Sure. Think for a second I was entitled to break into the Capitol and wander around with my tasers, flex cuffs, and pepper spray to force Congress to do a damn thing.
Staggering levels of arrogance, self importance, and sheer ignorance of the Constitution they claim to defend. |
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 07:55 PM
everyonematters (3,237 posts)
11. One important thing to note:
The people who believe that the election was stolen, are not using the mind that God gave them. As citizens we all have a responsibility to utilize rational thinking. The fact that Trump's minions could not prove anything in court, should tell them that it was not stolen. If Trump has stolen the election, it would certainly be a dire situation. Once something like that happens, it's hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Trump has shown us what damage a leader with no conscience can accomplish.
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:02 PM
Dan (3,407 posts)
13. Actually Stolen vs Alleged
Interesting.
If is not worth fighting for, guess its not worth having. |
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:04 PM
Kingofalldems (37,188 posts)
14. The election wasn't stolen so there is no comparison.
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:05 PM
LakeArenal (26,404 posts)
15. That's assuming there was proof of the election being stolen
Which there wasn’t.
However, no. |
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:06 PM
TexasTowelie (101,560 posts)
17. Since it's likely he did that in his first presidential election,
I can say no.
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:07 PM
Hoyt (54,770 posts)
18. Many believe trump stole 2016 election, but we didn't riot probably because we knew we screwed up.
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:10 PM
ZonkerHarris (22,734 posts)
20. Trump and Putin stole it in 2016 and all we did was gather hundreds of thousands of people in pussy
hats and march through DC.
Then we said "never again" and got to work for 2018 and 2020. |
Response to ZonkerHarris (Reply #20)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:23 PM
DTomlinson (411 posts)
29. Trump won the Electoral College in 2016. Not stolen. Biden won it in 2020. Not stolen either.
Response to DTomlinson (Reply #29)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:58 PM
WA-03 Democrat (2,867 posts)
33. You forgot the part where Russia/Putin helped him in 2016
It’s not a both side do it or they are equal
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Response to WA-03 Democrat (Reply #33)
Mon May 10, 2021, 12:10 AM
StevieM (10,452 posts)
46. Comey's antics did a lot more damage than Putin IMO.
And they were also entirely illegitimate.
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Response to StevieM (Reply #46)
Mon May 10, 2021, 12:14 PM
WA-03 Democrat (2,867 posts)
63. Which time?
The July 2016 Congressional debrief on an active FBI investigation (which they are not supposed to discuss) in which he said she did wrong but just not enough to charge her or the “we need to search Anthony Wiener’s laptop” in October?
Comey is not for Democracy. Putin pushed votes to trump in PA, WI and MI. Putin had a larger effect because of the tightness of the race. |
Response to DTomlinson (Reply #29)
Sun May 9, 2021, 09:51 PM
ZonkerHarris (22,734 posts)
41. Okay, instead of "stolen" I'll say collaborated with America's enemies to achieve a tainted victory
Response to ZonkerHarris (Reply #20)
Mon May 10, 2021, 02:44 AM
Hekate (83,978 posts)
54. Yes. Millions of us marched in cities around the nation, & we were not silent thereafter...
The BLM actions last summer were just one more important manifestation of our opposition to the usurper and his fascist thugs.
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:11 PM
abqtommy (14,118 posts)
21. Let's all remember that the founders of the U.S. tried peaceful negotiation and diplomacy
and when that didn't work they went to an illegal and violent insurrection. We owe our existence to their willingness to utilize violence. I for one remember.
And I think that by the time The FBI and The DOJ get through with former guy, his enablers, supporters and cultists we'll be glad we didn't have to take to the streets. This time. |
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:12 PM
Takket (19,234 posts)
22. No, we are a nation of laws and politics, not anarchy and barbarians
drumpf tried to steal this election with the Big Lie and our institutions, despite four years of relentless assault, held.
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:14 PM
tanyev (39,847 posts)
23. They had the right to have their rally/protest outside.
It became an insurrection when they broke into the building, assaulted Capitol police and destroyed property. I hope if it had gone the other way that there would have been massive unrelenting protests outside, but no storming of the building. Besides, if it had gone the other way there would have been a much larger, well-armed security force with very itchy trigger fingers.
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:18 PM
honest.abe (7,344 posts)
27. Trump stole the election in 2016 and what happened?
Response to honest.abe (Reply #27)
Mon May 10, 2021, 02:46 AM
Hekate (83,978 posts)
56. We opposed him for 4 years, took back the House, Senate, & Presidency. That good enough?
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:20 PM
Faux pas (13,934 posts)
28. I
didn't when he,stole it in 2016
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:25 PM
Tomconroy (6,682 posts)
30. The consensus so far is clearly "No".
I'm old enough to have participated in a few anti Viet Nam war demonstrations. I don't know that we made an enormous difference (My reading of history is that LBJ decided to negotiate only when the WASP wisemen told him to. God knows what Nixon was thinking). Of course there is another theory that we would still be in Viet Nam if not for the kids in the street. I don't know, maybe I would be a modern day SDS recruit. I hate to think of that horrible man getting away with it.
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:31 PM
Fiendish Thingy (12,748 posts)
31. I would be tempted, but a general strike could be more effective
If people refused to go to work, or even just stopped buying anything, including gas and groceries (stock up ahead of time), the American economy could be crashed in less than a month.
It would take tremendous discipline, but even if just 30-40% of households participated, it would be devastating. |
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 08:56 PM
sueh (1,736 posts)
32. No, I would not have stormed the Capital.
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 09:00 PM
flibbitygiblets (7,220 posts)
34. Looks like the majority of democrats here favor actual democracy.
I hope that clears up any questions.
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 09:01 PM
Tommy Carcetti (42,263 posts)
35. No.
But I would think there would be mass mainly peaceful protests in Washington that would have made the January 2017 look like a small crowd.
And I think Trump would try to crack down on those protests and it would have been ugly. Essentially it would have ended up like the Euromaidan protests against Yanukovych in Ukraine in 2013-14. |
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 09:06 PM
onecaliberal (29,913 posts)
36. No. That is a republican move. Dems didn't storm the capitol after Russia stole 2016 for dump.
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 09:09 PM
fescuerescue (4,435 posts)
37. They stole 2000, 2004 and 2016.
And we didn't do anything then.
So why should a 4th stolen election from us be different? |
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 09:17 PM
Crunchy Frog (26,321 posts)
38. A little jail time?!?
No I would not. It would have been a pointless and counterproductive act. Beside which, the Congress would have been seriously defended by forces willing to massacre unlimited numbers of people.
I fully expect the 2024 election to be stolen, and I plan to not be in the country for it. I'm all in favor of resistance as long as it's done effectively. There may well be a place for violent resistance at some point, but not in the form of blindly lashing out and undermining our own cause. |
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 09:24 PM
stillcool (32,620 posts)
39. We've had several elections stolen..
and lots of protests, although you'd never know.
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 09:26 PM
Polybius (12,712 posts)
40. Not personally
I'd hope we'd have mass, peaceful protests though.
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 09:53 PM
edhopper (31,069 posts)
42. The Bastille, yes
the gates, yes. The Castle, yes.
But not the Capitol. |
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 09:58 PM
joshcryer (62,185 posts)
43. We didn't storm the capitol when the 2000 election was stolen by Bush.
Response to joshcryer (Reply #43)
Mon May 10, 2021, 02:39 AM
Hekate (83,978 posts)
53. DU was formed. For me & others it was a nexus of activism & information for the next 8 years....
...which is not a small thing.
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Response to Hekate (Reply #53)
Mon May 10, 2021, 02:44 AM
joshcryer (62,185 posts)
55. I was here. Indeed.
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 10:22 PM
global1 (24,561 posts)
44. Hold Your Decision As You Might Have A Chance To Make It In 2022 Or 2024.....nt
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Sun May 9, 2021, 11:50 PM
Bettie (14,937 posts)
45. There would have been protests
much like the Women's Marches. Peaceful, loud, angry...but not "putting up a gallows and breaking into the capital" type.
We know how to express anger without becoming violent. |
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Mon May 10, 2021, 12:18 AM
FlyingPiggy (3,225 posts)
47. No. I wouldn't. I thought it was stolen in 2016 w Russian interference & I didn't storm anything
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Mon May 10, 2021, 12:19 AM
blogslug (37,306 posts)
48. If it had been the other way around...
There would have been armed battalions and tanks on the streets of Washington DC. They would have crushed any protestors. Also, the Republican office-holders who held their ground, electorally, are quite well known and some of them still need security protection. I don't recall any Kavanaugh opinion you mention in your post.
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Mon May 10, 2021, 12:19 AM
ismnotwasm (41,124 posts)
49. Fuck no.
There are a lot of Democratically organizations and groups that protest usefully.
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Mon May 10, 2021, 01:56 AM
Progressive Jones (6,011 posts)
50. I wouldn't "storm the government", but I might be a "problem child" at mass protests. nt
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Mon May 10, 2021, 11:40 AM
Voltaire2 (10,807 posts)
57. Sure. I was at the protests for Bush's inauguration. That election was stolen.
But I would have to be convinced that the election was in fact stolen. Also, I'm more into militant pacifism, so 'storm the capital' would not look like those dumbass motherfuckers on Jan6.
You've presented a false equivalence. The election was not stolen, it wasn't even close. Biden won. |
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Mon May 10, 2021, 11:51 AM
obamanut2012 (24,202 posts)
58. They didn't have the election stolen -- epic fail
Try harder next time.
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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Mon May 10, 2021, 11:52 AM
obamanut2012 (24,202 posts)
60. Hit and run OP
Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #60)
Mon May 10, 2021, 12:16 PM
WA-03 Democrat (2,867 posts)
64. Wonder if we can get a weather report for
St. Petersburg soon?
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Response to WA-03 Democrat (Reply #64)
Tue May 11, 2021, 11:11 AM
obamanut2012 (24,202 posts)
68. hahahahaha
Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #60)
Tomconroy This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #60)
Mon May 10, 2021, 07:45 PM
Tomconroy (6,682 posts)
67. You can read my reply if you had actually read the thread.
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Mon May 10, 2021, 11:54 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,829 posts)
61. There are more effective ways to protest a stolen election than foolishly storming the Capital.
General strikes
Work stoppages Civil disobedience. |
Response to Tomconroy (Original post)
Mon May 10, 2021, 11:55 AM
Aristus (62,553 posts)
62. Let's see: New guy, low post-count, trying to get Democrats to admit to desiring insurrection.
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Response to Aristus (Reply #62)
Mon May 10, 2021, 07:25 PM
Tomconroy (6,682 posts)
65. Well, actually I wasn't trying to get Democrats to admit
anything. The post did get 62 replies and a few recommendations. I guess someone found it interesting. I may be a new member of DU, but I am relatively certain I have been a member of the Democratic Party for longer than most. Thanks for the unpleasant welcome though.
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