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Liz Cheney told the truth about the election, and for that she has now been kicked out of Republican leadership. She was kicked out by Kevin McCarthy, who said the exact same thing she did about the insurrection, before he spinelessly changed his tune after being summoned to Mar-a-lago by Dear Leader.
Thanks to McCarthy's weakness, two things have happened:
1) The "mainstream" Republican Party, which had a chance to extricate itself from Trump's black hole of failure post-election, has firmly and definitively thrown itself over the event horizon. The "mainstream" Republican Party has chosen to become the party of lawlessness and anti-democracy; the party that believes no election they lose can possibly be legitimate. They are the party of un-American values, and have firmly positioned themselves alongside the likes of dictators like Putin, Erdogan, and Xi.
2) A breakaway faction of anti-Trumpists are threatening to start a third party. If this threat pans out, the GOP is in dire straits. They are already having trouble holding onto their angst-driven base (hence their need to glue themselves to Trump) and splitting their vote between two factions is a surefire loser.
Meanwhile, Democrats are in a historically good position to capitalize on this. Joe Biden's policies are very, very popular, and the Dems are proposing solid, sensible, and yes -- progressive -- legislation that a majority of Americans can get behind. Meanwhile the Republicans are stuck in la-la land, catering to their Fox-addled base with stories about things like Mr. Potato Head getting "canceled" and other childish nonsense.
We have a golden political opportunity here, so let's grab it! Do we really need any more handwringing about how Liz Cheney is ACTUALLY an awful person so let's not get too carried away praising her? We already know that! And it doesn't matter! What matters is that the GOP is slowly but surely ripping itself in two, at the very moment that Democrats are more united than ever.
So when you're out there on the Internets, posting on your Facebooks and your Twitters, please don't hesitate to drive that wedge, and drive it hard.
We've been waiting for years to see something like this, and it looks like it's finally happening.
Pass the popcorn!
bamagal62
(3,557 posts)On the starting a third party thing. They dont have the courage for that.
EarlG
(22,420 posts)Starting a third party is a big leap. But just the noise they're making is working in our favor. I don't recall a time when the Republicans have ever been in shambles of this magnitude, and with Trump refusing to go quietly, their problems are not going away overnight.
lpbk2713
(43,136 posts)Not with a 600 pound orange gorilla in the middle of the room.
AZ8theist
(6,244 posts)Baitball Blogger
(47,559 posts)to know and understand the path that Trump is taking this country. All they have to do is not vote.
boston bean
(36,411 posts)48656c6c6f20
(7,638 posts)I plan on promoting the idea of a third party anyway I can. I want to see these two rabid dogs destroy themselves. While eating boatloads of popcorn of course.
Siwsan
(27,115 posts)If these individual states attempts to squash voter's rights protection aren't stopped, and they start mandating that they can toss out results they 'find suspicious' with no validity, the tip will be towards our destruction.
All it would take is enough Republicans to put nation over party, and we could get back to the kind of government that is by and for ALL of the people. I have no hope that will happen but never wished harder to be proven wrong.
KPN
(16,003 posts)all the people? Not in my 70 year lifetime.
Siwsan
(27,115 posts)There was a time that at least SOME degree of compromise and rational thinking. Now it's like they are all demon possessed and that demon is named trump*. I mean, seriously - WTF is it that he has to be able to take over pretty much an entire political party and turn it into something the likes of which we have always fought to defeat?
KPN
(16,003 posts)the bits theyve done in the past. Their policy and politics have consistently done far more harm than good by a long shot for working class/middle class people and domestic stability in my lifetime. I dont pine for a return to comitybeyeern our two parties. They have always played us and always played hardball. They have deliberately, ruthlessly and unwaveringly pursued domination domestically as well as internationally without regard to the consequences for all.
Siwsan
(27,115 posts)To steal a quote: "I'm too old for this shit."
KPN
(16,003 posts)to treat it as such. If we dont, we will ultimately lose our democracy.
czarjak
(12,210 posts)roamer65
(36,953 posts)🔥
Burn baby, burn.
Harker
(14,651 posts)Must've been a doozy.
uponit7771
(91,249 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Strange thing about crossing the event horizon. Time freezes; you don't even realize you've crossed it; you're stuck there forever without even knowing it. But an outside observer sees you fall all the way in and disappear. That's weirdly similar to the GQP situation.
yonder
(9,955 posts)flying_wahini
(7,853 posts)destructive that you will see a LOT more old GOP self immolation events.
Besides I think it is just posturing so that they can squeeze a majority in the House;
The KKKGQP doesnt stop for anyone who gets in the way. After the midterms any
Self respecting GOP will throw Trump under the very same bus.
dalton99a
(83,530 posts)Nothing but the Best and Biggest Lies
(Yeah, Cheney herself was a promoter of the WMD Lie)
cilla4progress
(25,513 posts)I see this, too!!
Beetwasher.
(3,116 posts)As so many are seemingly saying. It's not some ploy, or clever plan. It's an unmitigated disaster for the GOP and there IS NO WAY OUT FOR THEM. In some ways, it IS a trap. But it's one they laid for themselves and stepped right into and now it's going to consume them.
They have NO options, except to split up. There is NO reconciliation here for them.
Paladin
(28,651 posts)Everybody---grab the popcorn and start driving those wedges.
KS Toronado
(18,887 posts)nclib
(1,016 posts)He is the only one who made me lol.
PortTack
(34,117 posts)underpants
(185,669 posts)I cant seem to find that mentioned in news reports.
leftieNanner
(15,574 posts)From New York.
underpants
(185,669 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)with another, unthreatening female for appearance. They don't have many to choose from, but this one's presumably promised to be the loyal "girlfriend" (as Senator Mike Kelly thought Cheney was supposed to be) that Cheney wasn't.
Towlie
(5,443 posts)
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Let them divide that we may conquer.
mcar
(43,256 posts)DENVERPOPS
(9,744 posts)plans being made for yet another January 6th......
This time, it will be much better organized, directed, and (pardon the word), executed.......
And this time all the state's "Militias" will attend, who didn't come last time.....
These same people will also focus on a large number of individual state's capitols.
They have not come all this way, and be this close to their goals, to be turned away from succeeding......
The Dems must not be lulled into complacency by their seeming successes.......
This "New" radical Republican Party will stop at nothing. Period......
orangecrush
(21,120 posts)Who will be more than prepared for these idiots.
I wouldn't put it past the FBI to stage some of these "events", just to flush them out and make it easier to arrest them.
Joinfortmill
(15,947 posts)Lonestarblue
(11,355 posts)Many of those registered as independents lean right, but theyre not the lunatics in the Trump base. Those suburban Republicans who voted for Biden would most likely go with the Cheney faction also.
But whatever splits the Republican Party is good for us.
sarge43
(29,119 posts)This calls for more than just popcorn; let's roast some hot dogs and marshmallows.
PutGramaOnThePhone
(236 posts)expansion of the tried and true dumpster fire metaphor. The addition of the jumping in piece, makes it a solid move up to the next level, for me.
sarge43
(29,119 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,842 posts)roasted on the flames of republican fail.
sarge43
(29,119 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)for a lot less.
Hard to believe they are doubling down on the fantasy regarding the election.
NNadir
(34,248 posts)I'm more worried that he has touched our country, which he has badly damaged.
H2O Man
(74,955 posts)The pace of the republican party's decay increases significantly when Democrats -- from the grass roots to DC -- put pressures upon them.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,738 posts)Think of how incredibly difficult it is to get a truly committed (pun intended) Republican to even accept that there might be a new fact they have to acknowledge, let alone completely change their mind. If there is enough division to actually create a new party on the right, each camp would adhere so tightly to "THEIR" Republicanism, it would create a new standard of devotion.
The dedication to "their side" would make rapprochement unlikely for years to come.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)be half our people and must have a party they feel represents them. As we've seen, most will support anything that claims to fill that role if enough of their fellows do.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,738 posts)The phenomenon is very knee-jerk and often not thought out at all, let alone well. It's the ones that can still think that can be worked with, at least to some degree. That intersection point has to be large enough to carry out the nation's business.
I like your phrase "claims to fill that role!"
Grasswire2
(13,679 posts)Currently, the GOP is only 25 percent of the electorate.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The problem with "half" is that a smallish percentage of cons actually are too aware and principled to join the rest in just anything they may latch onto, or too contrary, but whatever. If only there were more of them.
Roc2020
(1,681 posts)by 2024 I thought it was a joke. Turns out Biden may be a Prophet.
PunkinPi
(4,987 posts)pecosbob
(7,873 posts)Pull up a chair and have a cool beverage while we watch.
ibegurpard
(16,811 posts)I see no evidence that there are enough people willing to utterly abandon the Republican Party for the fascists in charge to pay an electoral price.
Where they are entrenched they are further eroding the means to oust them. My state delivered a trifecta to them thanks to the MAGA cultists and they are now busy trying to disempower and restructure our Montana Supreme Court.
Volaris
(10,495 posts)The first was pretty progressive, influenced democratic FDR...
oh and by the way pretty much wrecked the gop for a political generation.
Welcome to the Next Generation of FDR politics.
If we do handle this correctly, the next Newt Gingrich wont emerge for at least another 75 years, and when they do, they will complain about shit like Latin American Statehood, a high-speed rail line from SoCal to London across the bering sea, and the emergence of sub saharan Africa as the worlds manufacturing base, and the need for an expanded human NASA presence on Mars.
I WANT that fight. Because we can WIN that fight.
Because while I understand that the current fight is about RIGHT NOW, I want us thinking about the 22nd century (as in, some star trek level shit).
We CAN GET THERE.
but we need to push NOW, for that future reality.
no fear. And if the Liz Cheneys happen to be on board with All That, then they have my support. Because honestly, what is the alternative from maga-world? (they will lose that fight for the future). Know how I know?
Donald Trump bankrupted 3 casinos. He very clearly doesnt understand how future return on investments works. If that's where the Republican party wants to go, LET THEM. Kicking their ass will be a Small Matter as a result.
Just my opinion, YMMV.
VOL.
GoodRaisin
(9,455 posts)have the numbers in their favor, at the moment. But I hope to see the split widen and take legs and it proves disruptive enough to keep us in the majorities in 2022.
Suffice to say whatever I say on other social media platforms will indeed be in support of that outcome.
Pinback
(12,750 posts)as Dems are more unified than in a very long time, and expanding our appeal.
mopinko
(71,414 posts)tho it could. but the fight for succession will be guided by the same powers that put the turd in the punchbowl in the first place.
if he's in prison, there might be a fair fight.
Glaisne
(537 posts)Do it Democrats! Save democracy!
YoshidaYui
(42,403 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)perhaps even 'splinter' some parts.
ismnotwasm
(42,395 posts)Id love see them self destruct
Duncanpup
(13,600 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)While the ones not taken in by the Big Lie peel themselves off the rotted core. I cant wait to see this strengthen Democratic response to the anti-reality KKKGQP.
Butter up that popcorn
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Edwcraig
(326 posts)We have gone through over 4 years of pundits predicting that Trump would pivot. That a Senator here or a House member there would vote for a Democratic or progressive agenda item. When the vote was cast, the Republicans united almost unanimously to vote it down. And the Republicans polling showed support for these votes. They voted down two impeachments, they 100% voted not to give Covid relief, they voted not to approve the results of the election in support of the treasonous overthrow of our Constitutional Democracy.
These Everett Dirksen Republicans are now and have always been a minority in the modern day Republican Party. (not that the olden day Republican Party was anything to admire) They will be relegated and crushed. When Nixon adopted the "Southern Strategy" embracing and welcoming yellow dog, racist ex-Southern Democrats into the Republican Party the dye was cast. They have been the difference in every election since then and they are and have been the true power in the Republican Party. These elite Republicans, now shocked at the direction of their beloved Party, thought they were controlling this evil within and thought they were in charge. They were not. Trump has empowered the true leaders of the Republican Party and let them take control. They are uniting the Republican Party around its core principles, racism, anti-abortion policies and graft. They are united.
Save your popcorn.
ecstatic
(34,101 posts)Notice how they always get back in line immediately after a visit to Mar-A-Lago? 🙄
January 6 the was the perfect opportunity for rethugs to toss trump under the bus. Even die hard trumpers would have understood, but even if they didn't, there'd be nothing they could do if all of the repug members had stood united.