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Thu May 13, 2021, 04:05 PM

When I see the combined country of Israelistine, I will believe peace is possible.

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Until then, the killing will never stop. There will be conflict until both sides learn to share. Any parent knows this. Why can't adults on both sides figure this out?

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Reply When I see the combined country of Israelistine, I will believe peace is possible. (Original post)
Joe Nation May 2021 OP
TheRealNorth May 2021 #1
abqtommy May 2021 #2
rampartc May 2021 #3
roamer65 May 2021 #4
DemocratSinceBirth May 2021 #5
WarGamer May 2021 #6
DemocratSinceBirth May 2021 #7
WarGamer May 2021 #8
DemocratSinceBirth May 2021 #9
WarGamer May 2021 #10
phylny May 2021 #13
WarGamer May 2021 #14
Champp May 2021 #11
Xolodno May 2021 #12
WarGamer May 2021 #15
former9thward May 2021 #16
Mr.Bill May 2021 #17
OnDoutside May 2021 #18
Omaha Steve May 2021 #19

Response to Joe Nation (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 04:38 PM

1. The Israeli Right would never allow the Palestinians to have equal rights

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Response to TheRealNorth (Reply #1)

Thu May 13, 2021, 04:46 PM

2. +100 Very well said!

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Response to Joe Nation (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 05:27 PM

3. peace will occur when there are no more palestinians to kill or evict.

american evangelicals will not allow peace until the temple is rebuilt.

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Response to Joe Nation (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 05:28 PM

4. Watch...Hezbollah will soon get involved.

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Response to Joe Nation (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 05:44 PM

5. We share a common heritage with Trumpkins

And we can't get along. If I had the wherewithal I would have moved during his regime.

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Response to Joe Nation (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 05:46 PM

6. Don't forget... both sides want the other side to "disappear"

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #6)

Thu May 13, 2021, 05:51 PM

7. Kind of like us and Trumpkins

Don't think for a moment they wouldn't do us harm if they could.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #7)

Thu May 13, 2021, 05:54 PM

8. I think it's mutual.

IMHO, we're Yugoslavia except the bullets and rockets haven't been fired yet.

The countries that once made up Yugoslavia are now happy and peaceful independent States because they don't have to abide by the other sides rules.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #8)

Thu May 13, 2021, 05:57 PM

9. I truly don't wish them harm

I also wish we didn't have to share a country with them

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #9)

Thu May 13, 2021, 06:05 PM

10. I think the time will come when both sides agree to a framework for a dissolution of the Union.

And an organized division of the assets, debts and military.

One submarine for you, one for me... 10 F35's for you, 10 for me...

stuff like that.

Dividing landmass will be more difficult.

Landmass is heavily RED.

I can see 2 countries that look like this:

A solid Blue West Coast with a 50 mile wide easement running East to Minnesota, connecting the States to the NorthEast with a new "Mason Dixon Line" South of Fairfax Co VA.

It would be difficult because each country would NEED:

Ports
Land for Agriculture
Elbow Room
Infrastructure
Weather

And since most States have GOP control, the GOP Country is likely to be physically larger

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #10)

Thu May 13, 2021, 06:56 PM

13. The entire Commonwealth of Virginia, thank you.

Plenty of Biden voters south of Fairfax County.

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Response to phylny (Reply #13)

Fri May 14, 2021, 01:42 PM

14. Perhaps...

But whenever I drive South, which I've done frequently during my stay here... once I get South of maybe... Stafford and Culpeper I see a big difference. Still see Trump flags and Police Lives Matter bumper stickers.

Sure, gets blue again around Richmond but Richmond is an island.

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Response to Joe Nation (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 06:35 PM

11. What do the people if Palestreal think of this ?

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Response to Joe Nation (Original post)

Thu May 13, 2021, 06:47 PM

12. It's a lot more complex than you think.

If we want to get technical, the Palestinian - Israel conflict is a civil war that's been going on probably since 66 C.E.

Rome went through five emperors in five years which enabled the Kingdom of Judah to revolt and throw off Roman imperial control (ironically, it was about taxes). However, that left a bit of a vacuum and there were three different political groups vying and killing each other for control. Basically a fucking mess.

When Vespasian finally took control of the empire, he sent Titus to pacify Judah. I won't go into specifics, but ultimately Titus was forced to wipe out those fighting them and expel everyone in the city and surrounding areas, and this happened at the time of Passover when there was a large transit population in Jerusalem and surrounding areas.

And here is the myth, not everyone who was Jewish was expelled. Communities further away were spared. And note, I said "Judah", which is a territory which is about a third what Israel is today. In the north, which used to comprise the Kingdom of Israel, still held their communities. There has always been people who were of Jewish descent in that area, despite the false information we get.

However, there was one major change. The vast majority who were Jewish, converted to Islam. There are Ottoman Empire records confirming this. And why not? They do have a few similar beliefs...and Muslims were protecting them from those brutal and blood thirsty Christians. But wait! There's more!

DNA tests have shown that Palestinians and Jewish Israeli's are brothers, nor was it a surprise when it was discovered. Those who studied last name origins on both sides already knew it. But tell the average Palestinian or Israeli this, you might wake up in the hospital. Both like to claim that Palestinians are Canaanites, only problem with that, genetic evidence show they migrated north and compose what is the present day nation of Lebanon.

For me, Palestinian or Jew...no difference, just religion. And as someone who descends from an almost mythical group, people who ask me, "Will you ever visit Jerusalem". Me; "Why would I want to go to that pile of ruble where blood has been spilt everywhere".

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Response to Xolodno (Reply #12)

Fri May 14, 2021, 01:43 PM

15. exactly!!!

Can't stand it when people think "History" extends back maybe 80 years.

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Response to Xolodno (Reply #12)

Fri May 14, 2021, 01:51 PM

16. Jerusalem is not "a pile of rubble".

I have been there several times and it is a beautiful city and of course rich in history. And no, I am not Jewish or an Evangelical. I just love history.

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Response to Joe Nation (Original post)

Fri May 14, 2021, 02:11 PM

17. I have a copy of the front page of the Washington Post.

The headline says: "UN Backs Arab Peace Plan 80-0. Hope for New Era of Peace IN the Middle East"

It's from 1958.

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Response to Joe Nation (Original post)

Fri May 14, 2021, 02:42 PM

18. There will never be peace until the US gets serious about forcing both sides to the table.

Until that happens the slaughter will continue.

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Response to Joe Nation (Original post)

Fri May 14, 2021, 03:10 PM

19. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING

This can be posted in I/P: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1134

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. Posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports are restricted in this forum.

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