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Mon May 17, 2021, 01:23 PM

Does anyone remember when cigarette vaping was supposed to

Cause a mysterious lung ailment. That was of course in the before times and that flurry of news articles and local government overreaction has disappeared as fast as it came.

I have always wondered could that mystery disease had been an early form of Covid?

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Mon May 17, 2021, 01:27 PM

1. That was not due to cig vaping

That was due to bootleg THC vaping that teens were doing.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Mon May 17, 2021, 01:30 PM

3. it wasn't a mystery, it wasn't tobacco.

It was adulterants in bootleg pot vape pens.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Mon May 17, 2021, 01:31 PM

4. I remember and no, the cases were not related to COVID-19

EDs screened these patients for infectious agents and blood parameters/CT scans/Radiographs that would be consistent with infectious etiologies.

Emergency department (ED) visits related to e-cigarette, or vaping, products continue to decline, after sharply increasing in August 2019 and peaking in September. Vitamin-E-acetate as a toxic additive to vaped products (NOT TOBACCO) was clearly correlated.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html#what-we-know

National ED data and active case reporting from state health departments around the country show a sharp rise in symptoms or cases of EVALI in August 2019, a peak in September 2019, and a gradual, but persistent decline since then.

Laboratory data show that vitamin E acetate, an additive in some THC-containing e-cigarette, or vaping, products, is strongly linked to the EVALI outbreak.

A recent study external icon analyzed samples from 51 EVALI cases from 16 states and a comparison group of samples from 99 comparison individuals without EVALI for vitamin E acetate, plant oils, medium chain triglyceride (MCT) oil, coconut oil, petroleum distillates, and diluent terpenes.
Vitamin E acetate was identified in bronchoalveolar lavage (BAL) fluid samples (fluid samples collected from the lungs) from 48 of the 51 EVALI patients, but not in the BAL fluid from the healthy comparison group.
No other toxicants were found in BAL fluid from either group, except for coconut oil and limonene (1 EVALI patient each).

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Mon May 17, 2021, 01:33 PM

5. The "overreaction" hasn't disappeared as fast as it came.

Some very good restrictions were put in place.

A corporation should not be able to sell a nicotine supplement called "Hulks Jizz" that is concocted out of the back of a shop with products not approved and no quality control or safety measures in place. It is horrific what was originally going on within that industry.

And the list of names of the products alone makes it clear their target audience wasn't people quitting smoking. I remember when we decided candy cigarettes were a bad idea. Just for candy nicotine products to come back as a fad and cheered by many of the same people who think candy cigarettes were a bad idea. And yet, research shows that vaping brought about a whole new group of nicotine addict at a time when smoking usage is falling.

Covid hasn't been around as long as you are claiming.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Mon May 17, 2021, 01:41 PM

6. It appears to have been linked with vitamin D acetate,

and removing that from vaping products has lowered the cases.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Mon May 17, 2021, 01:48 PM

7. I live in as legal state and do a lot of walking/jogging in one of the urban

parks that we have. It is a heavily wooded park with trails etc. So jus tg as comment that vaping is alive.
With the arrival of the warmer weather there has been an increase of foot traffic and I am amazed at th ed whiffs of tobacco and pot that I pickup up wafting in there air. I'll pass by people and either see the vap pen or assume they are vaping because there is no one else around.

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #7)

Mon May 17, 2021, 02:17 PM

8. if you are getting a whiff of tobacco or pot it is likely not a vape pen.

the vapor from those really doesn't smell like much of anything. There are 'leaf vaporizers', they do let out a stink. I don't think there is the tobacco equivalent, so I'm not sure where you are getting whiffs of tobacco from, other than the usual suspect: cigarettes.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Mon May 17, 2021, 06:11 PM

9. You've always wondered that, eh?

Not gonna say 'obvious', but apparent, conspicuous, self-evident, overt and palpable all come to mind.

My money's on the last two or three days of May.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Mon May 17, 2021, 06:15 PM

10. Well I always thought that Vaping Death would be an awesome metal song!

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Response to Initech (Reply #10)

Mon May 17, 2021, 06:18 PM

11. Can't wait to see two black dudes react to that!

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Mon May 17, 2021, 07:09 PM

12. It had to do with vitamin E acetate ...

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Response to marble falls (Reply #12)

Mon May 17, 2021, 07:26 PM

13. Good to know. That's why I asked.

I was curious and of course like many (but not all) media panics is disappeared as fast as it came.

Kind of like the shark attacks in summer 2001.

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