BREAKING in WP: Grand jury convened in Trump case in New York

[StarfishSaver]

Prosecutor in Trump criminal probe convenes grand jury to hear evidence, weigh potential charges

Manhattan's district attorney has convened the grand jury that is expected to decide whether to indict former president Donald Trump, other executives at his company or the business itself should prosecutors present the panel with criminal charges, according to two people familiar with the development.

The panel was convened recently and will sit three days a week for six months. It is likely to hear several matters — not just the Trump case ­— during the duration of its term, which is longer than a traditional New York state grand-jury assignment, these people said. Like others, they spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. Generally, special grand juries such as this one are convened to participate in long-term matters rather than to hear evidence of crimes charged routinely.

The move indicates that District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr.’s investigation of the former president and his business has reached an advanced stage after more than two years. It suggests, too, that Vance believes he has found evidence of a crime — if not by Trump then by someone potentially close to him or by his company.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-investigation-grand-jury/2021/05/25/5f47911c-bcca-11eb-83e3-0ca705a96ba4_story.html

As I keep saying ... Don't assume that just because you can't see the wheels working that they aren't turning.

[malaise]

1. Oh My!

Get thee to the greatest page

[slumcamper]

19. this merits a viral trend on a hypothetical VERY greatest page!

ka-BOOOOOOM, walls closing in, death by a thousand cuts.

LOCK.
THEM.
ANYWHERE.

[malaise]

22. Agree

Think I'll make fudge as we watch them fudge facts and figures

[slumcamper]

49. Add nuts in hopes we will EAT THEM ALIVE.

B/C this is what I'm feelin', I'm checking the dictionary for spelling, definition, and pronunciation:

scha·den·freu·de

"SHädənˌfroidə"

noun; 1. pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune

[malaise]

62. I always add nuts to my fudge

Can't wait for this one

[TheBlackAdder]

33. Gotta get some theme music for this. My rec is Powerhouse, used in many Warner Brother's cartoons.

.

Here's the original full song.

.

[malaise]

43. LOL

I'm singing`If You're Happy an dyou know it clap your hands

[yonder]

58. That's fitting and off topic:

That's a hot number by itself, unhooked from a cartoon.

[lagomorph777]

99. Raymond Scott was a pioneer of electronic music, decades before the familiar names.

He was an accomplished jazz composer, and electronic wizard.

[Tommy Carcetti]

2. Well, that's news. nt

[soothsayer]

3. Hey hey!

[marble falls]

4. Aaaaaaaaand we're off to the races!

[Harker]

35. Six months? Hope they'll do their sworn duty in as many weeks.

If not days.

[mcar]

5. Bwahahaha!

Where's the rubbing my hands emoji?

[marble falls]

9. If he's found guilty do we have to impeach 45 again for the 57% of the GOP who think he's Prez?

[OMGWTF]

106. Don't the fidiot MAGAts that think MF45 is still president realize, if that's true,

he'll be ineligible to run again in 2024?

[George II]

86. Will this do?

[mcar]

100. Perfect!

Thanks George.

[Aristus]

6. Trump is gonna SHIT!

And then every Trumpanzee is screeching distance is going to scamper over, vying for the honor of eating it...

[wnylib]

96. He'll leave the country as soon as

the results of the grand jury start coming out. Maybe before. He will be getting reports from people called to testify so that he'll know some specific details on where the investigation is going.

Yes, I know that grand jury proceedings are secret and witnesses are not supposed to speak about their testimony and the questions asked. But they can be threatened and manipulated by the criminals under investigation.

[Roc2020]

103. I agree i think he will run.

[wnylib]

105. Yup. He's never faced responsibility

for anything. Why would he start now? He has always arranged an escape for himself. I am sure that he hasa backup escape plan already set up. He will stick it out only long enough to see if he can bluster his way out, via political backing to protect him, or another coup to get absolute power. But if it looks reasonably certain that that won't work, he'll be out of of the US faster than you can say traitor coward.

[Ocelot II]

7. Excellent!

Let's hope they return a hot, juicy indictment.

[Trueblue1968]

45. TRUMP IS GOING TO JAIL !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[no_hypocrisy]

8. Hey Donnie! Don't worry!

Even if you get indicted and convicted, Kim Kardashian is ready to help you with her prison reform law skills. (If you don't believe me, ask Van Jones.)

[chocolatpi]

10. you are correct, again, imho

Thank you for all that you do.

[malaise]

11. Now breaking on M$NBComcast

[chocolatpi]

12. thank you, malaise

[Laura PourMeADrink]

69. Lol! Had to go back and look for the " I was right" .. check

[Diamond_Dog]

13. WOOT! WOOT!

This is great news!

[Hoyt]

14. MSNBC "expert" -- not clear if it is trump, someone close to him, CFO, etc.

My guess is, it ain’t trump. It’s the CFO as announced a few days ago.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/20/trump-cfo-allen-weisselberg-faces-criminal-tax-investigation.html

Hope I’m wrong.

[11 Bravo]

32. Hopefully they have enough on Weisselberg to induce him to flip on Lard Butt.

[Mr.Bill]

78. At this point, I don't think Vance needs anyone to flip.

I think he has the goods on all of them. Remember, he has had the tax returns for awhile now. I hope he goes for the Big Kahuna and indicts everybody. None of these people deserve any kind of a deal.

[onetexan]

80. i hope against all hope that Vance will go out with a bang and score this touchdown for the sake of

our country's democracy and uphold justice and the law. I hope he will have the fortitude to withstand the pressure and intimidation the RWers will rail against him & his family. Same for Tish James. I hope they have 24-hour protection.

[NH Ethylene]

59. The article makes it sound like it could be numerous people, if the evidence warrants.

It's not like a regular grand jury.

[gldstwmn]

76. A criminal enterprise just like the mob.

[everyonematters]

15. Believe me -

Trump is going to run for president from jail.

[calimary]

93. He wants the White House.

But maybe he’ll just have to settle for the “big house.”

One can SOITENLY hope!

[Blue Owl]

16. Suck it Donny you fat piece of shit

[Comfortably_Numb]

44. There's my day brightener!!

[Blue Owl]

47. Always a pleasure

[Comfortably_Numb]

66. Blue, the pleasure is mine

[murielm99]

73. I have bee waiting for your post!

[USALiberal]

17. Thanks! Nt

[scarytomcat]

18. time to take that family cruise to some lost place .... at night

south america?
russia?

[Tommy Carcetti]

27. Rostov-on-Don, Russia. nt

[Wednesdays]

60. I still say it'll be Saudi Arabia

Putin won't want him hanging around, and the Former Guy's family is rather chummy with Salman.

[kentuck]

20. I heard that!

That is a big story!

[FM123]

21. Talk about breaking news!

I can always count on the good folks at DU to share news like this first - even before it hits MSNBC. Good job!

[malaise]

28. Who will croak first

Trump or Weisselberg?

[FM123]

37. Good question!

I think it's going to be trump....

[Comfortably_Numb]

23. Cue the meltdown from the cesspool Adderall tweaked brain of 45...

Tick tock mofo!!!!

[NH Ethylene]

63. Too bad (for him) that he can't spew that poison on the social networks anymore!

I look forward to enjoying this grand jury experience without the criminal spoiling it with his mental belches.

[Comfortably_Numb]

67. Peace and quiet...

[bikeboy]

24. we've seen a lot

Like Fitzmass... Let's hope this time December is a charm not a flat tire...
Still, bring in on and may they're judgement be Solid.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

25. Bad boys what you gonna do....

When they come for you.

[RicROC]

26. it might be a good time to confiscate Trump's passport

[Champp]

29. May justice be done

Lock him up. Let him whine all day and night. Lock him up.

It's the fair thing.

[RicROC]

30. it might be a good time to confiscate Trump's passport

[MoonRiver]

31. This is getting exciting!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

34. This is a big fucking deal!

[slumcamper]

36. Good--b-b-but...

...how do we (i.e., the SANE constituency within the nation) deal with the likelihood that the former guy--even if indicted--actually runs again and becomes the GOP nominee (to exploit the system and wriggle through the eye of the needle of the law)?

We all know that using, abusing and exploiting workers, women, and "the system" are the M.O. of this transnational crime syndicate and deplorable DJT entity...and I hope somebody with authority, power and influence is playing 3-D chess.

And time is of the essence. SLAM-DUNK these MFers!!!

[Tree Lady]

38. How can you find 12 impartial people?

Seems like he will appeal. After 5 years of constant news, social media, etc everyone has an opinion on him.

When I asked my husband this he said it's obvious to everyone except his cult followers how guilty he is.

[Mr.Bill]

41. I don't know the rules of this particular Grand Jury

but Grand Juries don't always have 12 members, nor to they always require a unanimus opinion. For instance, I sat on a Civil Grand Jury of 19 jurors, and a decision required 12 votes, which in our case was considered a supermajority.

That being said, my initial reaction to the breaking news is oh, great, another year of investigation.

[Tree Lady]

42. Thanks for info

I have just been on two regular juries.

[Mr.Bill]

46. I did a little googling.

This website has a brief synopsis relevant here:

https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-procedure/how-does-a-grand-jury-work.html

This is specifically about NY State Grand Juries:

https://www.johnbuzalaw.com/blog/2014/12/how-does-the-grand-jury-work-in-new-york/

[Captain Zero]

88. They can find 12 New Yorkers to convict him

easily. Regular people there can't stand him. He's been annoying and a known criminal since the 80s. It's obvious he was mobbed up. Maybe Rudy Giuliani as the prosecutor for SDNY back then is why he never went to jail back then. Maybe all this will sweep up Rudy too.

The very last crime I wouldn't put past Trump and Family? JURY TAMPERING.

[mwooldri]

39. So how fucked is he?

Fucked over a little bit? Totally fucked? Right royally fucked over? I want to know how much skullfuckery he's in for.

[gldstwmn]

40. I have the vapors.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

48. ABC has confirmed the Washington Post story

Link to tweet

[PatrickforB]

50. I so yearn for the day when the Traitor Tot is dragged off to prison!!!

Disgusting human being.

[Mr.Bill]

53. I hope you are young.

[iluvtennis]

51. Very happy about this!

[sheshe2]

52. The wheels on the bus go round and round.

Relentlessly!

[spanone]

54. Let the Jury Convene...

[CanonRay]

55. Waiting with anticipation

[LetMyPeopleVote]

56. This will be fun to watch

Link to tweet

[Yavin4]

57. Ummm...where's the dang popcorn?!

Come on DU. You're slipping.

[Takket]

61. generic question...

when a grand jury sees evidence, do they know who they are possibly indicting? Like, is it "drumpf did this and drumpf did that" or do they not use names... "individual 1 did this, individual 1 did that"... etc

[StarfishSaver]

68. They know

[Mr.Bill]

77. I think the whole reason for them meeting

is to evaluate the evidence to decide those things. But the DA will be leading them in the direction he thinks will produce indictments. There is no Defense or Judge in Grand Jury proceedings. The DA runs the show. The Grand Jury is basically deciding whether they agree with him or not.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

64. The warm fuzzy feeling that you feel when the term "Grand Jury" is trending

Link to tweet

[flibbitygiblets]

82. 🤣

[honest.abe]

65. Yes!

Lock him up!

[housecat]

70. I'll believe it when I see it.

[StarfishSaver]

71. Whomp whomp

[Skittles]

72. I'll believe it when I see actual RESULTS but..

convening a grand jury is a step in the right direction

[housecat]

84. Of course. I am just turning into a pessimist and I don't like how it feels

[Botany]

74. All I want is for a Warden Norton moment

Btw Georgia has him on tape and the DoJ has him on 1/6/21 DC.

[Pinback]

75. His judgement cometh...

[Hortensis]

79. :) And don't assume because they take time they're not turning.

We did our part when we elected Democrats.

[PCIntern]

81. From Jean Shepherd's WOR radio show:

[CaptainTruth]

83. Yep! I'm tired of the defeatist "nothing happens" folks.

[roamer65]

85. This is getting good.

[wiggs]

87. Need to see fed grand jury think about Russia, Ukraine, treason, election fraud, more. nt

[Dr. Jack]

89. We are definitely seeing why Trump was so desperate to stay in office

Even to the point of trying to murder congress and overthrow the government. It's only been a few months and he already appears to be absolutely fucked, god willing

[BootinUp]

90. can they expidite the process any? nt

[StarfishSaver]

91. This is actually moving very quickly

And we shouldn't want to rush the process. This case has to be solid as a rock

[BootinUp]

92. right of course, but its hard to be patient.

they have earned a huge helping of justice

[Sherman A1]

94. Believe it when I see it

Not a moment before,

[StarfishSaver]

95. You don't see grand juries

But your pessimism is noted.

[DFW]

97. Hey, who started this "Lock her up" business in the first place?

This was a Republican idea to begin with, so why are they upset that we finally found one of their tactics worth emulating?

[FakeNoose]

98. Manhattan County, NY State and the US federal government are ALL after him

At the moment Manhattan is winning. But don't discount the other two.

[Paladin]

101. I hope the security for those grand jury members is first-rate.

If trump and his lunatic followers can obtain identity information on any of them, their lives and the lives of their families will be in real danger.

[JuJuChen]

102. Keep in mind kids...

this doesn't happen unless they got something juicy.

[llashram]

104. I hope

[BobTheSubgenius]

107. Major ciminal cases often stay quite far below the radar, even after the grand jury has voted.

Unless they have a need to rattle someone's cage, prosecutors have little to gain and a lot to lose by showing their hand any sooner than they have to.