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marmar

(77,049 posts)
Sat May 29, 2021, 10:50 AM May 2021

Arizona's iconic saguaro cactus is flowering "wrong" -- and no one knows why

Arizona's iconic saguaro cactus is flowering "wrong" — and no one knows why
For the first time in recorded history, the cactus that blooms from its tips is suddenly blooming from its sides

By MATTHEW ROZSA
PUBLISHED MAY 28, 2021 7:00AM





(Salon) The saguaro is to the American southwest what the Empire State Building is to New York City: A breathtaking icon and a symbol of the region. A cactus that branches like a tree, the saguaro can grow to be 40 feet tall with roots spread over 100 feet of ground. They can live for longer than 150 years, meaning there are saguaros alive today that were born when Ulysses S. Grant was president. As the colder seasons give into warmer ones, the saguaro famously sprouts beautiful white flowers that blossom from the tips of their trunks and arms.

At least, that is what they normally do. Arizona news outlets are reporting that many of the cacti are budding on their sides, a phenomenon never seen before. It is a development that has researchers curious — and a little worried.

Obviously, something changed in the saguaros' environment that triggered a mass mis-sprouting. Some researchers believe the culprit may be environmental.

Dr. Benjamin T. Wilder, a desert ecologist and Director of the University of Arizona's Desert Laboratory on Tumamoc Hill, told Salon by email that he suspects the unusual growths may have been caused by normally reproductively active areoles (the bumps on cacti that produce clusters of spines) being damaged by last summer's drought — particularly since the summer was extremely hot and dry. This could have caused the cactus to revive older areoles, which would be lower on the stem, in order to create flowers. ...........(more)

https://www.salon.com/2021/05/28/arizonas-iconic-saguaro-cactus-is-flowering-wrong-and-no-one-knows-why/




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Arizona's iconic saguaro cactus is flowering "wrong" -- and no one knows why (Original Post) marmar May 2021 OP
They are seriously under stress. During last summer's heat many just fell over, and more will in PortTack May 2021 #1
I'd guess the Gonesoons ... Hugh_Lebowski May 2021 #2
Lebo, you are exactly right. AZ8theist May 2021 #3
Dude I totally used to go out and watch them! I love that shit! Hugh_Lebowski May 2021 #4
I agree... AZ8theist May 2021 #6
I had a couple times where it was like someone shot a cannon like 1 foot from my ear ... Hugh_Lebowski May 2021 #19
You're a little south from me, I believe... AZ8theist May 2021 #20
Down here (I'm outside Sierra Vista), it's been so dry it's sad. panader0 May 2021 #10
I used to love watching the thunderheads build in the afternoons. StarryNite May 2021 #9
Other than the low cost of living, the monsoons were among my favoritest parts of living here Hugh_Lebowski May 2021 #18
Looks like a last-gasp flowering. MineralMan May 2021 #5
That's what I think too (nt) Hugh_Lebowski May 2021 #7
Lets hope not. AZ8theist May 2021 #8
That is happening with many, but not all of the mesquite trees around here. panader0 May 2021 #12
It's a survival strategy for plants. MineralMan May 2021 #14
Lived in PHX and Tucson both during monsoons. LittleGirl May 2021 #11
Several saguaros ChazII May 2021 #13
There has been massive drought in the southwest for 25 years Warpy May 2021 #15
I can hear the Repugs now: "It's a message from GAWD!" peppertree May 2021 #16
Yep, g.w. Duppers May 2021 #17

PortTack

(32,691 posts)
1. They are seriously under stress. During last summer's heat many just fell over, and more will in
Sat May 29, 2021, 11:09 AM
May 2021

The coming months. When old old desert plants just fall over from lack of water...it’s very serious

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. I'd guess the Gonesoons ...
Sat May 29, 2021, 11:35 AM
May 2021

Moved here in 2008 and the first 7 or so years I was here, there was usually about a 1 month period in the summertime when storms would blow in and dump rain. Always in the late afternoon/early evening. And I mean DUMP rain.

Many (if not all) of the summers there'd be 4 or 7 times this would happen each summer. People around here call them 'the monsoons'.

Well, since about 2015, I remember only one summer that had storms remotely like the ones that used to happen every summer. Some summers have had 0 rain, others only 1 storm.

So I call it the Gonesoon. Monsoon that's no longer happening.

AZ8theist

(5,407 posts)
3. Lebo, you are exactly right.
Sat May 29, 2021, 11:58 AM
May 2021

I remember years ago I used to LOVE hanging out on the back patio watching the massive thunderstorms move through the area. I'm one of those weird guys who actually enjoys thunder and lightening.....plus the rain.

The last couple of years, however.......ZILTCH. Not much rain and I can't remember the last actual thunderstorm.

It has to be due to La Nina or a definite shift in weather caused by global warming.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
4. Dude I totally used to go out and watch them! I love that shit!
Sat May 29, 2021, 12:01 PM
May 2021

Esp. cause the temps would drop dramatically. Plus I could turn off the sprinklers (yes I have a small back lawn, it was here when I bought the house) for a while.

And I miss them. It's like they just don't happen anymore. Maybe once a summer lately. Depressing.

AZ8theist

(5,407 posts)
6. I agree...
Sat May 29, 2021, 12:28 PM
May 2021

There was NOTHING more exhilarating than having a LOUD BOOM of thunder REALLY REALLY CLOSE!!!

Sometimes I went back inside for fear of getting hit......

But nothing made you feel more alive. I'm with you....I miss them......

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
19. I had a couple times where it was like someone shot a cannon like 1 foot from my ear ...
Sat May 29, 2021, 07:41 PM
May 2021

Normally I feel pretty impervious, but when THAT happens, I get the fuck inside

AZ8theist

(5,407 posts)
20. You're a little south from me, I believe...
Sat May 29, 2021, 08:05 PM
May 2021

..and I remember seeing some of those strikes. Must have been real close to home......
The closest one to me was about a mile north. Knocked out power for a few hours....

panader0

(25,816 posts)
10. Down here (I'm outside Sierra Vista), it's been so dry it's sad.
Sat May 29, 2021, 01:08 PM
May 2021

I put my well in about 1979 and I've learned from the USGS web site that the water table where I am
has dropped at least ten feet in the last 20 years. I'm nervous about going dry.

StarryNite

(9,434 posts)
9. I used to love watching the thunderheads build in the afternoons.
Sat May 29, 2021, 01:02 PM
May 2021

They would start in the east/northeast days before they would arrive in the valley. Then they would finally hit and hit hard. The dry washes would run. We have a wide wash in the back of our property that used to run bank to bank. Now it's rare to get a trickle running though it. The morning after a storm it was hot and muggy. The dampness hung over the desert and you just knew the little creatures were enjoying their much needed drinks. And nothing comes close to the wonderful smell of wet creosote.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
18. Other than the low cost of living, the monsoons were among my favoritest parts of living here
Sat May 29, 2021, 07:39 PM
May 2021

Now the Universe has even taken that away

I feel for the critters ... and the cacti.

MineralMan

(146,248 posts)
5. Looks like a last-gasp flowering.
Sat May 29, 2021, 12:02 PM
May 2021

Some plants, when they're under great environmental stress divert all of their energy into blooming and fruiting. Then they die. The idea is to reproduce the species at the expense of survival.

That's what I suspect is happening here.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
12. That is happening with many, but not all of the mesquite trees around here.
Sat May 29, 2021, 01:11 PM
May 2021

Some are all flowers and almost zero leaves. What a shame. I chose this acreage because
there were so many trees.

LittleGirl

(8,277 posts)
11. Lived in PHX and Tucson both during monsoons.
Sat May 29, 2021, 01:08 PM
May 2021

We had a beautiful view in Tucson with scenes about 10-20 miles. The monsoons were amazing to watch cross the valley and not get a drop at our house. The cactus are stressed for sure. They would swell after the rains and shrink in the heat. Amazing plant life really. The crested arms of the cactus were the best. Lots of respect.

ChazII

(6,200 posts)
13. Several saguaros
Sat May 29, 2021, 01:14 PM
May 2021

in my neighborhood have been removed. They have been here 60+ years but they are dying and while still home to some critters they are leaning and others are beginning to rot.

I am in south Scottsdale.

Warpy

(111,124 posts)
15. There has been massive drought in the southwest for 25 years
Sat May 29, 2021, 01:20 PM
May 2021

and I suggest they explore that avenue of research. It looks like there's still abundant blooming on the tips. Perhaps blooming and fruiting farther down might afford more shelter against desiccation. Or it could always be some godawful agricultural chemical dispersed through the air, although that seems like a long shot.

peppertree

(21,595 posts)
16. I can hear the Repugs now: "It's a message from GAWD!"
Sat May 29, 2021, 01:50 PM
May 2021
"That we should do something about climate change?"

"No! That He's angry we let the election be stolen from Trump!!!"
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