Black men have suffered the most in America.

[live love laugh]

They were buck broken, hung, dismembered, beaten — emasculated, made to watch their women be raped and bear their oppressors’ children.

They have been robbed of their dignity and then looked at in disdain for being undignified.

They’ve been in chains and now behind bars more than any group in history.

America hates blacks — especially black men.

[Skittles]

1. from your description

it sounds like black women suffered just as much

[live love laugh]

2. Women suffered badly but men even more. Women aren't

targets today like black men continue to be.

I’m sure many think that they should get over it and slowly they are but the recent assaults by police and anti BLM racism seem to be a way to keep them down.

[Skittles]

7. women are always targets

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there are many places black men can walk where black women would not dare

[live love laugh]

8. I think we're talking about two different things. nt

[Skittles]

20. really?

you are comparing victims

[LakeArenal]

16. How does one get over it when Black men are still killed over Skittles or less.

[DenaliDemocrat]

3. I think Native Americans might argue that point

But it’s pretty close.

[eShirl]

4. Suffering isn't a contest.

[secondwind]

5. Plenty of folks in this country are not racist.

You cannot judge others, or paint them with a broad brush. Just my two cents.

[live love laugh]

10. I didn't say that all people in America are racist.

[Skittles]

21. you said America hates blacks

that sound pretty inclusive

[StarfishSaver]

22. America is many things - none of which apply to every single person in the country.

Trying to distract from the OP's point about the systemic racism that still plagues this country in general and Black men in particular with the "not ALL Americans" (translation, "not ALL white people&quot semantic game isn't a good look.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

26. America is a white supremacy, so...

[Skittles]

36. so do you think

most Americans hate blacks?

[SoonerPride]

38. The racism is baked into just about every system

So yes. America hates black and brown people.

It is designed that way.

[Skittles]

39. blacksmith

alrighty then

[WhiskeyGrinder]

40. I think most Americans are reluctant to come to terms with how they live in a white supremacy and

how every white person benefits from it and every Black person loses out because of it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

41. You made a great point. Try not to take the bait and

let people twist your words around.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

6. This isn't really useful.

[live love laugh]

9. It's probably not useful to you. nt

[WhiskeyGrinder]

11. Bullshit generally isn't.

[Solomon]

12. Damn. I wouldn't call it bullshit!

[StarfishSaver]

23. Wow.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

25. Here, I'll clarify. I don't see how it's useful to pit the suffering of Black men against that of

Black women, and the suffering of Black people against that of other minorities, within the white supremacist system of the United States of America. At the same time, while I resist comparing suffering, I *also* don't think that Black men are seen as the least worthy of community care in this white supremacist system. Black and Native women are. That's where my "bullshit" comment came from, and I apologize for sounding dismissive.

[StarfishSaver]

28. I don't think the OP is pitting anyone against each other.

They're highlighting the extraordinary hardships that Black men have. You may not agree with them, but that doesn't make the OP "bullshit."

[WhiskeyGrinder]

31. Everything the poster says in the OP is fact; the subject line alone is opinion, and that's what I

reacted to. Some of the hardships Black men carry are indeed unique. But I don't think it's possible to quantify that those hardships have made them suffer "the most," and I don't think it's useful to try.

There are things that can be quantified. Like, we know cops kill Black men at disproportionate rates; that is definitely a form of suffering, and if we focus efforts on improving outcomes for Black men, it can only improve things for everyone across the board.

[StarfishSaver]

33. It's his/her opinion.

Calling it "bullshit" is a bit much.

The opinions of people of color are all too often dismissed as "bullshit," "divisive crap," "hyperbole," etc. - usually by people who don't know what they're talking about, lack any real awareness of the problem and have no lived experience beyond having a Black co-worker or watching an episode of Blackish. You are usually much more sensitive and insightful than the average poster, so your reaction is surprising.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

35. I'm certainly out of my lane, and I apologize for coming in hot.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

42. Wow WG

[Jedi Guy]

17. Agreed. I don't see how a "biggest victim" contest is helpful.

Minorities of all stripes get a raw deal, in different ways and to different degrees.

[LanternWaste]

18. In effect, you're stating historical data aggregates should be ignored...

simply because you fail to perceive its usefulness.

But I get it... this "biggest victim contest" you allege seems only to be brought up on DU when focus in placed on the AfAm community.

[StarfishSaver]

24. You noticed that, too?

[Jedi Guy]

34. Hey, it's you again! Good to see you again, old pal!

Seeing your name on a reply to one of my posts warms my heart right down to the cockles. The only way it could've been more thrilling would be if there had been a shrug emoji. Oh well, I can always wait with hopeful anticipation for your next reply!

While my joy at seeing your name again knows no bounds, it pains me to note that you really should work on your reading comprehension, because that's really not what I was saying at all. But you knew that, of course.

[Skittles]

37. heh

[live love laugh]

32. And therein lies the problem--some are blinded or just unreceptive

to the fact that American black men — and all blacks to a lesser degree — have been and continue to be targeted by an unjust system.

[malaise]

13. Ask the Indigenous people

They too faced hell

[Raine]

14. Native Americans I'm sure feel differently. nt

[stillcool]

15. we are all humans doing life

we come into this world and end up by happenstance in different circumstances. I could be an Iraqi, or Chinese, or Russian, or a black American. No matter what it would still be the only life I have. It appears as though there is no way I could survive in another ones shoes, but I know this is not true. We humans adapt. We bend. We laugh, we love, and we live, ..until we die.

[JI7]

19. Black women also , we just don't hear about it as much

but it's things like different treatment when it comes to reproductive health .

And black women were the first victims of rape happening to them.

[Sympthsical]

27. This isn't a contest

We have to fix America so that it works for everyone. We have a long way to go. And we have to be mindful of all the groups that have suffered, how they've suffered, and that we owe it to them to fix it.

[live love laugh]

30. This is an unpleasant topic not a contest.

Calling this BS or pointing to other groups is like saying “all lives matter” or “blue lives matter” etc.

My intention was to provoke thought not to be divisive.

Yes indigenous people suffered. So do black men. Fifty percent of arrests in America are of blacks primarily men.

Fifty percent of those exonerated are guess who? Guess what gender?

These acts have gone on for centuries.

What other groups have been affected for a similar length of time?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

43. Provoking thought ! Ahhh. Unfortunately it doesn't

exist here anymore. Too many disrupters. Paid and unpaid.

[live love laugh]

44. Sad 😢 😞 nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

45. Amen. And all you have to do is go

elsewhere to grasp what kinds of things, like your post, ARE being discussed and debated in a civilized way. It is sad because there is (or was) such a great, unique assembly of like minded people here...

I say, don't let them win! But have to say, no fun just swatting flies away . Maybe they will all go away when trump et al doesn't pay them