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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:48 PM

Star Member live love laugh (10,922 posts)

Black men have suffered the most in America.


They were buck broken, hung, dismembered, beaten — emasculated, made to watch their women be raped and bear their oppressors’ children.

They have been robbed of their dignity and then looked at in disdain for being undignified.

They’ve been in chains and now behind bars more than any group in history.

America hates blacks — especially black men.


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Reply Black men have suffered the most in America. (Original post)
 live love laugh Jun 2021 OP
LineReply from your description
 Skittles Jun 2021 #1
LineLineReply Women suffered badly but men even more. Women aren't
 live love laugh Jun 2021 #2
LineLineLineReply women are always targets
 Skittles Jun 2021 #7
LineLineLineLineReply I think we're talking about two different things. nt
 live love laugh Jun 2021 #8
LineLineLineLineLineReply really?
 Skittles Jun 2021 #20
LineLineLineReply How does one get over it when Black men are still killed over Skittles or less.
 LakeArenal Jun 2021 #16
LineReply I think Native Americans might argue that point
 DenaliDemocrat Jun 2021 #3
LineReply Suffering isn't a contest.
 eShirl Jun 2021 #4
LineReply Plenty of folks in this country are not racist.
 secondwind Jun 2021 #5
LineLineReply I didn't say that all people in America are racist.
 live love laugh Jun 2021 #10
LineLineLineReply you said America hates blacks
 Skittles Jun 2021 #21
LineLineLineLineReply America is many things - none of which apply to every single person in the country.
 StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #22
LineLineLineLineReply America is a white supremacy, so...
 WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #26
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply so do you think
 Skittles Jun 2021 #36
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply The racism is baked into just about every system
 SoonerPride Jun 2021 #38
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply blacksmith
 Skittles Jun 2021 #39
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply I think most Americans are reluctant to come to terms with how they live in a white supremacy and
 WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #40
LineLineLineNew Reply You made a great point. Try not to take the bait and
 Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #41
LineReply This isn't really useful.
 WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #6
LineLineReply It's probably not useful to you. nt
 live love laugh Jun 2021 #9
LineLineLineReply Bullshit generally isn't.
 WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #11
LineLineLineLineReply Damn. I wouldn't call it bullshit!
 Solomon Jun 2021 #12
LineLineLineLineReply Wow.
 StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #23
LineLineLineLineReply Here, I'll clarify. I don't see how it's useful to pit the suffering of Black men against that of
 WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #25
LineLineLineLineLineReply I don't think the OP is pitting anyone against each other.
 StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #28
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply Everything the poster says in the OP is fact; the subject line alone is opinion, and that's what I
 WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #31
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply It's his/her opinion.
 StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #33
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply I'm certainly out of my lane, and I apologize for coming in hot.
 WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2021 #35
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Wow WG
 Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #42
LineLineReply Agreed. I don't see how a "biggest victim" contest is helpful.
 Jedi Guy Jun 2021 #17
LineLineLineReply In effect, you're stating historical data aggregates should be ignored...
 LanternWaste Jun 2021 #18
LineLineLineLineReply You noticed that, too?
 StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #24
LineLineLineLineLineReply This message was self-deleted by its author
 live love laugh Jun 2021 #29
LineLineLineLineReply Hey, it's you again! Good to see you again, old pal!
 Jedi Guy Jun 2021 #34
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply heh
 Skittles Jun 2021 #37
LineLineLineReply And therein lies the problem--some are blinded or just unreceptive
 live love laugh Jun 2021 #32
LineReply Ask the Indigenous people
 malaise Jun 2021 #13
LineReply Native Americans I'm sure feel differently. nt
 Raine Jun 2021 #14
LineReply we are all humans doing life
 stillcool Jun 2021 #15
LineReply Black women also , we just don't hear about it as much
 JI7 Jun 2021 #19
LineReply This isn't a contest
 Sympthsical Jun 2021 #27
LineLineReply This is an unpleasant topic not a contest.
 live love laugh Jun 2021 #30
LineLineLineNew Reply Provoking thought ! Ahhh. Unfortunately it doesn't
 Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #43
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Sad 😢 😞 nt
 live love laugh Jun 2021 #44
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Amen. And all you have to do is go
 Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2021 #45

Response to live love laugh (Original post)

Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:51 PM

Star Member Skittles (148,567 posts)

1. from your description

it sounds like black women suffered just as much

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:53 PM

Star Member live love laugh (10,922 posts)

2. Women suffered badly but men even more. Women aren't

targets today like black men continue to be.

I’m sure many think that they should get over it and slowly they are but the recent assaults by police and anti BLM racism seem to be a way to keep them down.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:58 PM

Star Member Skittles (148,567 posts)

7. women are always targets

Last edited Tue Jun 1, 2021, 09:57 PM - Edit history (1)

there are many places black men can walk where black women would not dare

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:00 PM

Star Member live love laugh (10,922 posts)

8. I think we're talking about two different things. nt

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 09:46 PM

Star Member Skittles (148,567 posts)

20. really?

you are comparing victims

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:22 PM

Star Member LakeArenal (25,790 posts)

16. How does one get over it when Black men are still killed over Skittles or less.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:55 PM

Star Member DenaliDemocrat (1,387 posts)

3. I think Native Americans might argue that point

But it’s pretty close.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:56 PM

Star Member eShirl (18,123 posts)

4. Suffering isn't a contest.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:57 PM

Star Member secondwind (16,893 posts)

5. Plenty of folks in this country are not racist.


You cannot judge others, or paint them with a broad brush. Just my two cents.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:10 PM

Star Member live love laugh (10,922 posts)

10. I didn't say that all people in America are racist.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 09:46 PM

Star Member Skittles (148,567 posts)

21. you said America hates blacks

that sound pretty inclusive

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:05 PM

StarfishSaver (18,486 posts)

22. America is many things - none of which apply to every single person in the country.

 

Trying to distract from the OP's point about the systemic racism that still plagues this country in general and Black men in particular with the "not ALL Americans" (translation, "not ALL white people" semantic game isn't a good look.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:14 PM

Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (19,537 posts)

26. America is a white supremacy, so...

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:08 PM

Star Member Skittles (148,567 posts)

36. so do you think

most Americans hate blacks?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #36)

Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:11 PM

Star Member SoonerPride (12,286 posts)

38. The racism is baked into just about every system

So yes. America hates black and brown people.

It is designed that way.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:13 PM

Star Member Skittles (148,567 posts)

39. blacksmith

alrighty then

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:17 PM

Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (19,537 posts)

40. I think most Americans are reluctant to come to terms with how they live in a white supremacy and

how every white person benefits from it and every Black person loses out because of it.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:23 PM

Star Member Laura PourMeADrink (41,110 posts)

41. You made a great point. Try not to take the bait and

let people twist your words around.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 07:58 PM

Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (19,537 posts)

6. This isn't really useful.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:01 PM

Star Member live love laugh (10,922 posts)

9. It's probably not useful to you. nt

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:12 PM

Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (19,537 posts)

11. Bullshit generally isn't.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:15 PM

Star Member Solomon (12,086 posts)

12. Damn. I wouldn't call it bullshit!

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:06 PM

StarfishSaver (18,486 posts)

23. Wow.

 

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:13 PM

Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (19,537 posts)

25. Here, I'll clarify. I don't see how it's useful to pit the suffering of Black men against that of

Black women, and the suffering of Black people against that of other minorities, within the white supremacist system of the United States of America. At the same time, while I resist comparing suffering, I *also* don't think that Black men are seen as the least worthy of community care in this white supremacist system. Black and Native women are. That's where my "bullshit" comment came from, and I apologize for sounding dismissive.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:20 PM

StarfishSaver (18,486 posts)

28. I don't think the OP is pitting anyone against each other.

 

They're highlighting the extraordinary hardships that Black men have. You may not agree with them, but that doesn't make the OP "bullshit."

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:29 PM

Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (19,537 posts)

31. Everything the poster says in the OP is fact; the subject line alone is opinion, and that's what I

reacted to. Some of the hardships Black men carry are indeed unique. But I don't think it's possible to quantify that those hardships have made them suffer "the most," and I don't think it's useful to try.

There are things that can be quantified. Like, we know cops kill Black men at disproportionate rates; that is definitely a form of suffering, and if we focus efforts on improving outcomes for Black men, it can only improve things for everyone across the board.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:50 PM

StarfishSaver (18,486 posts)

33. It's his/her opinion.

 

Calling it "bullshit" is a bit much.

The opinions of people of color are all too often dismissed as "bullshit," "divisive crap," "hyperbole," etc. - usually by people who don't know what they're talking about, lack any real awareness of the problem and have no lived experience beyond having a Black co-worker or watching an episode of Blackish. You are usually much more sensitive and insightful than the average poster, so your reaction is surprising.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:56 PM

Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (19,537 posts)

35. I'm certainly out of my lane, and I apologize for coming in hot.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:25 PM

Star Member Laura PourMeADrink (41,110 posts)

42. Wow WG

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:32 PM

Jedi Guy (2,752 posts)

17. Agreed. I don't see how a "biggest victim" contest is helpful.

Minorities of all stripes get a raw deal, in different ways and to different degrees.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 09:41 PM

LanternWaste (37,748 posts)

18. In effect, you're stating historical data aggregates should be ignored...

 

simply because you fail to perceive its usefulness.

But I get it... this "biggest victim contest" you allege seems only to be brought up on DU when focus in placed on the AfAm community.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:06 PM

StarfishSaver (18,486 posts)

24. You noticed that, too?

 

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:54 PM

Jedi Guy (2,752 posts)

34. Hey, it's you again! Good to see you again, old pal!

Seeing your name on a reply to one of my posts warms my heart right down to the cockles. The only way it could've been more thrilling would be if there had been a shrug emoji. Oh well, I can always wait with hopeful anticipation for your next reply!

While my joy at seeing your name again knows no bounds, it pains me to note that you really should work on your reading comprehension, because that's really not what I was saying at all. But you knew that, of course.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:10 PM

Star Member Skittles (148,567 posts)

37. heh

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:29 PM

Star Member live love laugh (10,922 posts)

32. And therein lies the problem--some are blinded or just unreceptive

to the fact that American black men — and all blacks to a lesser degree — have been and continue to be targeted by an unjust system.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:16 PM

Star Member malaise (254,463 posts)

13. Ask the Indigenous people

They too faced hell

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:20 PM

Raine (29,474 posts)

14. Native Americans I'm sure feel differently. nt

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 08:21 PM

stillcool (32,620 posts)

15. we are all humans doing life

we come into this world and end up by happenstance in different circumstances. I could be an Iraqi, or Chinese, or Russian, or a black American. No matter what it would still be the only life I have. It appears as though there is no way I could survive in another ones shoes, but I know this is not true. We humans adapt. We bend. We laugh, we love, and we live, ..until we die.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 09:45 PM

JI7 (87,738 posts)

19. Black women also , we just don't hear about it as much

but it's things like different treatment when it comes to reproductive health .

And black women were the first victims of rape happening to them.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:18 PM

Sympthsical (6,350 posts)

27. This isn't a contest

We have to fix America so that it works for everyone. We have a long way to go. And we have to be mindful of all the groups that have suffered, how they've suffered, and that we owe it to them to fix it.

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 10:24 PM

Star Member live love laugh (10,922 posts)

30. This is an unpleasant topic not a contest.

Calling this BS or pointing to other groups is like saying “all lives matter” or “blue lives matter” etc.

My intention was to provoke thought not to be divisive.

Yes indigenous people suffered. So do black men. Fifty percent of arrests in America are of blacks primarily men.

Fifty percent of those exonerated are guess who? Guess what gender?

These acts have gone on for centuries.

What other groups have been affected for a similar length of time?

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Tue Jun 1, 2021, 11:27 PM

Star Member Laura PourMeADrink (41,110 posts)

43. Provoking thought ! Ahhh. Unfortunately it doesn't

exist here anymore. Too many disrupters. Paid and unpaid.

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Wed Jun 2, 2021, 12:24 PM

Star Member live love laugh (10,922 posts)

44. Sad 😢 😞 nt

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Wed Jun 2, 2021, 11:53 PM

Star Member Laura PourMeADrink (41,110 posts)

45. Amen. And all you have to do is go

elsewhere to grasp what kinds of things, like your post, ARE being discussed and debated in a civilized way. It is sad because there is (or was) such a great, unique assembly of like minded people here...

I say, don't let them win! But have to say, no fun just swatting flies away . Maybe they will all go away when trump et al doesn't pay them

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