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Wed Jun 2, 2021, 02:35 PM

Kyrsten Sinema

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What voters do she think she is attracting with her behavior...Arizona isn’t West Virginia, yes it isn’t as blue as California, but it is a purple state that is trending blue...for every “moderate” that she thinks she is attracting, she is probably losing 2 Democratic voters, and the Republicans in Arizona are nutcases and they aren’t voting for her...democrats are finally making inroads in Arizona and the way to keep that motivation is to support Democratic policies, not try to be Republican-lite to please so called independents or republican voters

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/ncna1269375

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Reply Kyrsten Sinema (Original post)
USAFRetired_Liberal Jun 2 OP
lapfog_1 Jun 2 #1
TheBlackAdder Jun 3 #50
Goonch Jun 2 #2
qazplm135 Jun 2 #8
LymphocyteLover Jun 2 #33
SunImp Jun 2 #14
Moostache Jun 2 #19
SunImp Jun 2 #24
RVN VET71 Jun 2 #21
zaj Jun 2 #31
qazplm135 Jun 2 #3
StarfishSaver Jun 2 #4
hlthe2b Jun 2 #5
USAFRetired_Liberal Jun 2 #9
RANDYWILDMAN Jun 2 #12
zaj Jun 2 #32
Irish_Dem Jun 3 #54
Stuart G Jun 2 #6
TreasonousBastard Jun 2 #7
Bev54 Jun 2 #11
jimfields33 Jun 2 #16
liberalla Jun 2 #20
Bev54 Jun 2 #38
RVN VET71 Jun 2 #23
Bev54 Jun 2 #10
Fiendish Thingy Jun 2 #13
Hela Jun 2 #15
AZ8theist Jun 2 #25
inthewind21 Jun 2 #29
a kennedy Jun 2 #43
TomDaisy Jun 2 #17
zaj Jun 2 #18
USAFRetired_Liberal Jun 2 #22
AZ8theist Jun 2 #28
zaj Jun 2 #34
qazplm135 Jun 2 #37
jimfields33 Jun 2 #41
qazplm135 Jun 2 #42
jimfields33 Jun 2 #44
zaj Jun 2 #45
qazplm135 Jun 3 #46
zaj Jun 3 #47
uponit7771 Jun 3 #51
TheBlackAdder Jun 2 #35
dlk Jun 2 #26
NewHendoLib Jun 2 #27
area51 Jun 3 #53
DFW Jun 2 #30
hadEnuf Jun 2 #36
Goonch Jun 2 #39
LiberalFighter Jun 2 #40
uponit7771 Jun 3 #52
budkin Jun 3 #48
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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 02:43 PM

1. It is true that Arizona is trending blue

but having lived in the state for a few years... and having family there... the red part of the state is really made up of "the crazies".

There aren't that many McCain Republicans left there anymore.

I don't know Senator Sinema's game plan... but appealing to moderates is going to be difficult because there just aren't that many, and the moderates that are there vote Dem anyway.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 03:10 AM

50. She is very insecure and needs constant love-bombing. Don't let her presentation mislead.

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I know a hell of a lot of people just like her.

From her mannerisms, reactions to stressors, fashion sense, and the way they present themselves. There is one common component--they are all struggling internally with insecurities and require constant attention, validation and love. They don't care where they get it from, as long as they get it.

It seems like the Republicans have picked up on this and are love-bombing her, which is a tactic used by cults to attract people who are lost and in search of a family. While slow at first, it will only take a matter of months to a year to fully sway the person over to their camp. As long as the love and aggrandizement is there, they will be a shoo-in for anything asked of them. They are making her feel important and wanted.

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Response to Goonch (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 03:02 PM

8. after reading that

It looks to me like she's taken the wrong lessons to heart. It also strikes me as someone who is extreme in everything they do, and who will zig if you tell her she should zag because she doesn't like conformity or being told what to do.

I think getting her to play ball is going to require someone to figure out how to make her feel like it was her idea to do so...we might need the Inception team to get back together for one more mission.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:13 PM

33. yes, good points

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Response to Goonch (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 03:27 PM

14. Looks like a creature from The Thing '82

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Response to SunImp (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:35 PM

19. Well...this would be an appropriate sound effect for them...(1:29 mark)

?t=86

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Response to Moostache (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:49 PM

24. Probably one of the most creepiest monster sounds in film

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Response to Goonch (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:38 PM

21. That is a hell of a great illustration

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Response to Goonch (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:10 PM

31. Great article... summary: it's complex

She's operating from a mix of perspectives:

- a person who knows how to win elections to gain power
- a personal philosophy about about protecting institutions
- a desire to be an institutionalist who has power to make change
- a flippant gadfly who believes socializing helps, and probably makes her happy

She's won an election she should have lost, but the HR1 might be the thing that she spends her political capital on. We'll see.

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 02:49 PM

3. here are the possible options

1. She simply is more conservative at her core than we thought. Her flirtations with the Green Party were simply expedient, and not her real beliefs.

2. She believes that AZ voters are more conservative than we do, or that this particular stance will endear her to moderate voters without costing her enough Democratic voters to keep her in her seat in 2024.

3. She's lost her damn mind.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 02:50 PM

4. LOL. I love your analysis!

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 02:53 PM

5. or she is simply "unserious..." which we might be forgiven for assuming lately

If she won't "grow up" or at least be consistent in her policies, can we have two Mark Kellys, please (yeah, I'm talking about his twin)

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 03:03 PM

9. And that is what I don't get

Mark Kelly has to run in 2022 and he seems to know who his voters are....unfortunately, Sinema’s antics may cost him his seat because democratic voters may be unmotivated due to what they see as inaction, and moderates won’t see any tangible results, while rabid Republicans come out on force to stick it to Biden.....but Sinema will see his defeat as a backlash against the “liberal” agenda and continue to act Republican-lite

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 03:05 PM

12. 3 for sure

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:12 PM

32. It's #2 for sure.

But #1 in the "institutionalist" sense. She's Joe Biden progressive. Not AOC progressive. Perhaps because she had to learn how to win in swing races.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 10:55 AM

54. There is a 4th option.

She is operating from purely personal, self-enhancing motives.

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 02:58 PM

6. Not up for election till 2024, doesn't give a damn that is for sure...

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 03:01 PM

7. It is possible that she is just doing what she thinks is the right thing.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 03:04 PM

11. Well she should be open to doing a great deal of research.

This is NOT the right thing, when it could bring down the democracy of the country.

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Response to Bev54 (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 03:43 PM

16. How many democratic senators would vote for the filibuster to go away?

I am wondering if there are others who are glad that Manchin and Sinema are taking the heat so they can stay out of it.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:35 PM

20. Yes, I have wondered that also... tbere may be other surprises ahead...

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:52 PM

38. I think the others would follow

It is a definite question to ask each and every dem senator.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:47 PM

23. She may think so, but I am having a damnably hard time accepting that notion

Same same Manchin. How can either of these people believe they are doing the right thing for the country when we are faced with disintegration as a United States unless voting rights, at the very least, are protected?

I think they are doing what they do out of raw ambition. I think Sinema plans on being conservative until it looks more profitable for her to turn, once again, towards the Left. And Manchin is a Democrat in a Republican state -- and I think he’s being what he is to cater to voters on the Right figuring he won’t be primaries by the Dems in any case.

Both are disgusting and will be held responsible by history for contributing to the end of the U.S. -- if it comes down to that.

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 03:03 PM

10. She would not right now survive a challenge from a good democrat.

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 03:24 PM

13. If the filibuster survives to the August recess, then the streets of AZ should be full of protestors

Sinema shouldn’t be able to go to a restaurant without being confronted.

Plaster billboards everywhere asking “Hey Kyrsten, what has the filibuster done for Arizona lately?”.

Blanket the airwaves with ads holding Sinema accountable for her obstruction.

Biden and Harris should also visit her state and grant interviews to local media to campaign for voting rights.

And, no, she won’t switch parties, unless she plans to retire in 2024.

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 03:37 PM

15. She's immature and unprofessional and...

I really hope this image makes it into the campaign of whoever ends up primarying her.

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Response to Hela (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:49 PM

25. That one image there makes me grind my teeth...

The yes vote for Bill Barr.
The no vote on $15 an hour.
The multiple votes siding with a treasonous criminal.
To think of the time and money I spent getting her elected.
I can't wait for her primary opponent.

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:56 PM

29. That image

She's trying to be John McCain. Instead she looks like a Spice Girl that wandered into the wrong place.

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Response to Hela (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 06:55 PM

43. and seriously does she think she's in her cheerleading outfit back in grade school???

🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬. Oh damn, just thought that sex fein Matt Gates probably loves that outfit. 🤮 🤮 🤮

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:24 PM

17. very offensive how she Sinema-splains the filibuster to us, as if we don't understand it!!

with bad-faith trash-mouth anti-gay anti-woman abuse-of-power smug Cornyn standing right next to her.


Gaslighting.

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:25 PM

18. She's building her McCain-like brand.

It might work, or it might fail. But it's not ridiculous. She's barely reselectable each election cycle. She has made some mis-steps (the curtsey was stupid), but otherwise centrism isn't the wrong strategy for Arizona.

That said, I hope there is a moment where she invests her political capital on getting HR1 passed in the senate. She's probably waiting behind Machin to flip. There's not value in being the 49th vote until there's a 50th.

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Response to zaj (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:42 PM

22. Who does it attract?

but otherwise centrism isn't the wrong strategy for Arizona.


It turns off the Democratic base, I don’t care what anyone says, you need your base to win....it doesn’t help her with Republicans, the people that are left in that party are right wingers and they aren’t voting for anyone with a D in front of their names, and the few moderates you do win over aren’t enough when your base stays home and the Republicans come out in droves to stick it to Biden...and moderates like to see tangible results, so if they see that Democrats we’re supposedly in charge and nothing has happened to improve their lives, then telling them that you preserved a Senate tradition isn’t a winning message

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:51 PM

28. This. +10000

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:14 PM

34. Think of them as "Joe Biden" Republicans.

They are the 16% of 2018 people who voted for her (Senate) but didn't vote for David Garcia (D candidate for Governor). That's who she's focused on. And she's right to focus on them.

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Response to zaj (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:33 PM

37. so Mark Kelly

is wrong then? Or did he not also get elected by Joe Biden Republicans?

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #37)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 06:31 PM

41. Completely different election with the coronavirus and huge mail in voting

I have a hard time believing we will get 81 million votes next year throughout the country. I hope we do, but...Simema won in a mid term. Kelly won during a general. Two different types of elections.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #41)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 06:49 PM

42. and yet

for their NEXT election, Kelly will run in a mid term, and Sinema in a general.

So...what difference does it make what type of race they ran before, it's what type of race they are running in the future.

You seem to think mid terms are harder, yet Kelly doesn't seem to think he needs to be as "moderate" as Sinema does who will be running in a general.

So what is Kelly missing? Is he doomed to lose now?

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #42)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 07:03 PM

44. No. Definitely not. He is doing great.

I guess it was dumb to compare elections. I probably should stop excusing sinema. I guess I was so thrilled she won and even made some history that I’m trying to give her some benefit of the doubt but even for me that only can last so far. I guess the vote down 15 dollars was strange. Not showing up to vote. I wish she gave a truthful answer like I had these vacation plans a month ago before any vote scheduled. Anything but what she’s saying so far. I’ll be watching votes closely going forward.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #37)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 07:13 PM

45. Kelly is straight out of central casting.

He probably has a 3-5 point boost with independent voters just for being...

A straight white man.
A soldier.
A hunter.
A fighter pilot.
An astronaut.
A doting husband.
A caregiver to a beloved icon with a disability.


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Response to zaj (Reply #45)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 12:19 AM

46. oh stop

that's your response?

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #46)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 01:07 AM

47. Yes, it's the same reason Hillary was a defense hawk

Women running in competitve races must compensate for stereotype baggage. It's not rocket science.

The exit polling data backs up my estimates pretty well.

Among the base... They tied.

Kelly, 50% of women
Sinema, 51% of women

Kelly, 97% of Democrats
Sinema, 97% of Democrats

Kelly, 55% of college grads
Sinema, 56% of college grads

Among swing voters, Kelly had a 5-6 point advantage

Kelly, 55% of independent voters
Sinema, 50% of independent voters

Kelly, 69% of moderate voters
Sinema, 63% of moderate voters

Kelly, 47% of white men
Sinema, 42% of white men



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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 04:22 AM

51. Her advisors still think they can attract GQP with a Dem name

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Response to zaj (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:17 PM

35. McCain 'thumbed down' to save the ACA and help common folk, she emulated McCain to hurt them.

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:49 PM

26. After Sinema bagged on the 1/6 commission vote, I lost any respect for her

She’s proving to be unserious.

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 04:51 PM

27. she's a narcissist who craves attention.

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Response to NewHendoLib (Reply #27)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 10:20 AM

53. +1 n/t

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:02 PM

30. It's very rare that an incumbent Democratic senator gets a serious primary challenge

But Sinema might be a glaring exception if she keeps up her grandstanding. Few at best will appreciate it, and fewer still will be fooled by it.

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 05:31 PM

36. If the fillibuster isn't ejected now the GOP will eject it if and when they get the house.

They will then pass legislation making sure Sinema never wins another election as a Democrat, or perhaps even at all.

She's a stupid ass.

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 06:18 PM

39. ;-{)

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Wed Jun 2, 2021, 06:25 PM

40. That is what I thought about Donnelly here in Indiana.

He was trying to get more Republican votes. But instead he turned some of the Democratic voters off which he was seriously in need.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #40)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 04:25 AM

52. Truman said it best; people don't like fake conservatives

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 01:07 AM

48. $$$$$$$

Something STINKS.

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 01:17 AM

49. One factor is that Sinema likes the attention nt

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Response to USAFRetired_Liberal (Original post)

Thu Jun 3, 2021, 11:02 AM

55. I question the motivations behind her behavior.

She's a highly intelligent woman, and her pathetic 'splainin for why she seeks to maintain the filibuster are complete bullshit. Total smoke.

If she prevents the For The People Act from passing, I will be forced to question her loyalty to the Democratic party, to democracy, and the people and government of the United States.

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