Fri Jun 4, 2021, 10:26 AM

cilla4progress (23,797 posts)

Manchin to support voting rights??

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Manchin to support voting rights?? (Original post)	cilla4progress	Jun 2021	OP
He's always supported it	Johnny2X2X	Jun 2021	#1
Yeah he supports it.	piddyprints	Jun 2021	#2
Manchin supports a modified HR4 which would be overturned by SCOTUS. Nt	Fiendish Thingy	Jun 2021	#9
Are you talking about the pre-clearance bill?	Mad_Machine76	Jun 2021	#26
Because the version Manchin supports would apply to all 50 states w/o any preclearance. Nt	Fiendish Thingy	Jun 2021	#27
He's always supported that, but he has big problems with HR1.	OnDoutside	Jun 2021	#3
I think...	Mike Nelson	Jun 2021	#4
Yeah but the Biggie is S1,	gab13by13	Jun 2021	#5
Will he support democracy enough to end the filibuster and pass JLVRA and S1?	lagomorph777	Jun 2021	#6
Sinema, Feinstein and reportedly two others.	TwilightZone	Jun 2021	#10
I agree - put huge public pressure on all of the recalcitrants.	lagomorph777	Jun 2021	#13
Feinstein is open to changes	PortTack	Jun 2021	#14
Saw Amy K interviewed on TRMS a while back. She remains optimistic about passing some form	PortTack	Jun 2021	#7
Manchin is supporting a Trojan horse modification of HR4 that will be reversed by SCOTUS	Fiendish Thingy	Jun 2021	#8
HR1/S1 would also be reversed by SCOTUS	FBaggins	Jun 2021	#11
Not from what I have read both HR1 and HR4 in its original form, were drafted to withstand	Fiendish Thingy	Jun 2021	#16
Yes	StarfishSaver	Jun 2021	#20
Two different arguments	FBaggins	Jun 2021	#21
But if the filibuster is killed to pass HR1, then courts can be expanded, preventing reversal	Fiendish Thingy	Jun 2021	#23
That's a bunch of IFs that don't seem likely	FBaggins	Jun 2021	#24
Let's see what kind of heat the summer brings to Manchin and Sinema first. Nt	Fiendish Thingy	Jun 2021	#28
So few similar posts seem to be able to tell the difference...	FBaggins	Jun 2021	#12
Exactly	StarfishSaver	Jun 2021	#18
He better gives us something, The president is thinking about	Hotler	Jun 2021	#15
Easy to claim he supports a bill if, through his own inaction, he never has to actually vote on it	StarfishSaver	Jun 2021	#17
Manchin said he supported the John Lewis Bill months ago	brooklynite	Jun 2021	#19
I don't trust Manchin.	LiberalFighter	Jun 2021	#22
It's not HR1	budkin	Jun 2021	#25

Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 10:28 AM

Johnny2X2X (17,564 posts)

1. He's always supported it

It's a matter of if he's willing to go it without any Republicans on board.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 10:32 AM

piddyprints (14,567 posts)

2. Yeah he supports it.

And will vote for it. The problem is getting past the filibuster, which he won’t budge on. He is perfectly willing to sacrifice our democracy for his own delusions about bipartisanship.

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Response to piddyprints (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 11:54 AM

Fiendish Thingy (13,764 posts)

9. Manchin supports a modified HR4 which would be overturned by SCOTUS. Nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 05:09 PM

Mad_Machine76 (24,079 posts)

26. Are you talking about the pre-clearance bill?

Why do you think it would be overturned?

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Response to Mad_Machine76 (Reply #26)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 05:50 PM

Fiendish Thingy (13,764 posts)

27. Because the version Manchin supports would apply to all 50 states w/o any preclearance. Nt

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 10:37 AM

OnDoutside (19,797 posts)

3. He's always supported that, but he has big problems with HR1.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 10:58 AM

Mike Nelson (9,602 posts)

4. I think...

... he will vote for it, of course. The problem is that it needs 60 votes to pass... and Mitch is determined to block it because it means more American citizens will vote.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 11:04 AM

gab13by13 (18,164 posts)

5. Yeah but the Biggie is S1,

the For The People Act.

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 11:05 AM

lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)

6. Will he support democracy enough to end the filibuster and pass JLVRA and S1?

Only if he receives infinite pressure from all possible directions.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 11:55 AM

TwilightZone (22,211 posts)

10. Sinema, Feinstein and reportedly two others.

We need more than Manchin. We always did. That fact is constantly - and intentionally - ignored, in my opinion.

Get the other four and then go after Manchin. Otherwise, all of this incessant complaining about Manchin is entirely pointless.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 12:55 PM

lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)

13. I agree - put huge public pressure on all of the recalcitrants.

We have to do them all simultaneously though: no time for a serial process.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 01:47 PM

PortTack (30,759 posts)

14. Feinstein is open to changes

https://www.vox.com/2021/3/20/22341271/feinstein-filibuster-reform-talking-joe-manchin-kyrsten-sinema-joe-biden-senate-60-votes

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 11:11 AM

PortTack (30,759 posts)

7. Saw Amy K interviewed on TRMS a while back. She remains optimistic about passing some form

Of HR1. They all know they will have to end the filibuster..or suspend it or whatever. She wouldn’t lay out specifics, but said they have a plan.

Arm chair politics and speculation isn’t for me. I’ll let our dem leaders do the heavy lifting...and support them with emails, calls and donations

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Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 11:52 AM

Fiendish Thingy (13,764 posts)

8. Manchin is supporting a Trojan horse modification of HR4 that will be reversed by SCOTUS

Manchin supports a bill that would automatically apply 1965-type VRA regulations to voting in all 50 states, without any sort of test or “pre-clearance” to determine necessity.

Such a bill would undoubtedly be reversed by the current SCOTUS.

...and he STILL is the ONLY Dem senator not to co-sponsor the For The People act, HR1/S1.

There’s a reason they call him J.C. Joe...

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 12:15 PM

FBaggins (26,198 posts)

11. HR1/S1 would also be reversed by SCOTUS

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I don't think that it was really intended to be enacted. I think it exists to draw out republican opposition and/or judicial action.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 02:01 PM

Fiendish Thingy (13,764 posts)

16. Not from what I have read both HR1 and HR4 in its original form, were drafted to withstand

Challenges to constitutionality.

Besides, once the filibuster is killed to pass HR1, Dems can ram through court reform/expansion to protect democracy even more.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 02:09 PM

StarfishSaver (18,486 posts)

20. Yes

HR1/HR4 have been very carefully crafted.

But Manchin's "improvement" is unconstitutional on its face.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 03:14 PM

FBaggins (26,198 posts)

21. Two different arguments

It may very well have been intended to withstand challenges.

But that's a different thing from arguing that it wouldn't be overturned by the current court.

I don't think they would find that challenging at all. Likely in half a dozen different directions.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #21)

Fri Jun 4, 2021, 03:44 PM

Fiendish Thingy (13,764 posts)