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drray23

(7,615 posts)
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:26 PM Jun 2021

Why is Adam Schiff saying it will take a decade

to clean up the justice department in the wake of the revelation that they were spying on him, his staff and potentially others? Is not it just a matter of firing anybody who was nominated by Trump ? Just fucking clean house.

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
1. Maybe because he understands DOJ and what "effing cleaning house" involves better than we do?
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:27 PM
Jun 2021

Or will Adam Schiff be the next Democrat thrown under the bus because everything didn't get fixed in the last four months?

drray23

(7,615 posts)
2. obviously I don't blame him.
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:30 PM
Jun 2021

he was one of the targets. I am just really hoping that major reforms will be undertaken. Anybody remotely connected to this needs to be removed. As a matter of fact Schiff just said that the AG needs to clean house.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
5. Major reforms are definitely needed
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:35 PM
Jun 2021

But they can't be done overnight.

It will probably take months just to sort out who's who in the various departments. That just takes time.

Trump fed his people into all areas of government, up and down the chain, both political and career appointees. One of the reasons I'm really glad that Biden was the nominee, as opposed to anyone else it could have been, is that he understands all of the intricacies of government and has been around long enough to know how complex it is and he knows who to put in these departments to start rooting out people who shouldn't be there and to start untangling and sorting out the mess Trump made.

But that is going to take a lot of time and effort, most of which will occur out of the public eye - AND it has to be done while they're actually trying to run the government.

This AIN'T easy ...

RockRaven

(14,893 posts)
3. Because Barr and Trump got career professionals to do unethical/abusive things so now the
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:32 PM
Jun 2021

DOJ is full of non-political appointees who have a personal self-interest in defending those abusive and unethical practices, covering them up,etc. And not just their own bad actions, but the bad actions of others because they all rely on the institution as a whole to defend members of the institution against outsiders. The whole department is a steaming pile right now. I not just an issue of replacing political appointees.

drray23

(7,615 posts)
4. yes I get this.Thats why a full review has to happen
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:34 PM
Jun 2021

anybody involved in unethical behavior has to be removed, career or not. It might be a bit harder because some will fight it.

yonder

(9,656 posts)
9. Yep, it's like a black mold. Getting rid of it on the outside
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:53 PM
Jun 2021

doesn't take care of it behind the walls.

sheshe2

(83,639 posts)
10. The Goddess may have created the heavens and earth in six days...
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 09:58 PM
Jun 2021

The Goddess may have created the heavens and earth in six days then rested on the seventh, however it will take a hell of a lot longer to clean up the sewer left by trumpers.

We are always left to clean up their mess. Always and it has to be RIGHT this minute or else!

SMDH.

drray23

(7,615 posts)
12. between this minute or a decade there is quite a gap..
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 10:01 PM
Jun 2021

I just hope they go as fast as they can. The political appointees at least could be removed. It might take longer to root out career people who were tainted. An example of one appointee is the interior department IG who recently issued a report trying to minimize the Lafayette square incident. This guy is a Trump appointee.

malaise

(268,686 posts)
11. He is correct
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 10:00 PM
Jun 2021

I lived through a corrupt election financed from outside - you have no idea how they infect every institution and what it takes to get the stench out

MerryBlooms

(11,756 posts)
13. It's going to take at least 10 years to clean out Justice and all Departments that trump
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 10:01 PM
Jun 2021

contaminated. These investigations will be widespread and take a long time. The surface hasn't even been scratched yet as to the criminal activity that trump and his cronies have been up to, throughout every agency, for the last four years.

Ocelot II

(115,584 posts)
15. There are probably a number of embedded Trumpers that can't easily be gotten rid of,
Thu Jun 10, 2021, 10:08 PM
Jun 2021

especially if they are Civil Service employees. I wouldn't be surprised if these are the people responsible for spying on reporters and members of Congress and their staffs, but the DoJ is huge and it will take awhile to find them. I should think they can be fired for doing shit like that even if they are Civil Service, but cleaning house in a large agency won't be instantaneous.

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