General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsScandal revealed/outrage/talk of investigation/nothing happens/New scandal
revealed/outrage/talk of investigation/nothing happens/another scandal revealed
.etc.etc,etc.
Doesnt it seem the last five years have been like this.
Please wake me when some high level Trump crime family member is in prison.
Solomon
(12,310 posts)It's maddening!
aggiesal
(8,907 posts)yet they (R)'s, continue to prove that we are a Banana Republic.
Country of Laws and Banana Republic are mutually exclusive.
We can't be both.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)nothing is ever going to get him
dalton99a
(81,406 posts)so he gets to experience pain, suffering, and humiliation
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)so humiliated and can't do anything about it
triron
(21,984 posts)NewHendoLib
(60,009 posts)republicans are criminals that always seem to get off the hook. and so they keep committing crimes. and will, unless they finally start to pay.
Skittles
(153,122 posts)GET IT DONE ALREADY, FUCKING DO SOMETHING
Funtatlaguy
(10,863 posts)Thats not hyperbole.
Its real.
Skittles
(153,122 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)triron
(21,984 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)allow him to live in your head. Thats exactly what trumpsters like about him.
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)We can't afford to have any more corrupt presidents. Democracy would be at a greater risk.
BigmanPigman
(51,569 posts)since McGahn will testify. You CAN imprison a former POTUS...even Mueller said so.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)While trump crossed criminal threshold long ago, I can see good Prezs getting caught in the their actions threatened democracy grinder.
Believe me, I fully understand wanting to destroy that MFer, and sending a message to deplorables who support trump.
zebrapa
(112 posts)I sense that a lot of us are frustrated as hell. I don't follow the news nearly as much as I used to do. My attitude is wake me when something happens.
Yavin4
(35,423 posts)It's extremely difficult to charge, prosecute, and get a conviction of a sitting or former president. It just is. But our media makes it seems like it would be rather easy to do when it's not. Even the NY investigations of him are not nearly a sure thing of charges being brought let alone convictions.
brooklynite
(94,383 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,863 posts)brooklynite
(94,383 posts)...aren't moving as quickly as the author would like. Prosecutors don't issue indictments based on "we know he's guilty" assertions.
Funtatlaguy
(10,863 posts)After what weve witnessed for the past five years, makes us feel like WE are the problem. We are not.
GoodRaisin
(8,908 posts)The media's reporting is what causes this frustration. The OP nailed it.
Funtatlaguy
(10,863 posts)Justice matters.
(6,921 posts)That criminal makes Justice the laughing stock of the world!
Duppers
(28,117 posts)No wonder the rethugians keep on with their dishonesty and crimes.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,863 posts)Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)Even before that. Iran-Contra, for example. Before that - Nixon. Being allowed to resign and then pardoned is NOT accountability
Politicians make speeches, peppering their narrative with phrases like "rule of law" and "no one is above the law", stroking the people's need to see the righting of wrongs, allowing them to feel that, finally, something will be done about criminal elected officials - and they know this because some person making a speech used the words of the good guys, where the principles of justice and fairness are more than just catch phrases - all the while using catch phrases and feel-good words to express themselves.
In the novel "1984", we find the cathartic release of the two minutes of hate - and it was cathartic because it allowed the people to vent their real despair and real pain onto a politically chosen common enemy. So that even if they didn't buy into the whole Emmanuel Goldstein is the enemy of the state narrative, they could still release the raw emotions they were feeling about the world they were living in. They could feel their anger openly. Thus offering up some release. Even if they didn't make the connection between how they actually felt and their outpourings of hate to the enemy chosen for them by the state. Redirected anger. Targeted anger.
Same applies to two-minutes of happiness. Where a speaker draws you in with ideals you believe in and words spoken that make you feel good again. Only those words are meaningless if no action is taken to further the ideals. But no matter, you get caught up in phrases like "no one is above the law", each turn and twist of righteous validation hitting all the right spots. You've been thirsting so long and now there is water. You cheer. You cry. You have release.
You forget that war criminals got away with their crimes - with all your energies focused on the most recent of criminal politicians and all the bad they did. You ask the exact same questions now that you did 20 years ago. "How did this happen?", "How was this allowed?", "How far have we've fallen?", "How?", "Why?". You demand justice. You claim "This is not America". Completely disregarding the history of America.
And this pattern will continue to repeat itself as long as it works to control the demands of the people. As long as it offers up an outlet. And make no mistake, it is a form of manipulation. As long as it creates enough room so people can forget once again... until the next outrage comes along.
We keep demanding justice and accountability and we keep getting told "no one is above the law" by those in power.
Only, it's obvious that quite a few people are above the law and no amount of feel-good speeches will change that.
We keep being told all the reasons why demands for justice are unreasonable.
Justice - unreasonable.
And people wonder why Trump ever came to power. Just like they'll wonder how the next wannabe tyrant gained power.
Solomon
(12,310 posts)Really hit the nail on the head with that one. I think this is what pisses me off the most. If you say anything, you're the one being unreasonable. You can even see it in this thread.
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)And a lot of people retreat back into it as soon as possible.
Trump lost (Trump as a recent example)! Back to my comfort zone. Change has come. We're back! We can get back to normal (whatever the fuck that means) now.
Any disruption or potential disruption to the above thinking is viewed as hostile.
And demanding accountability is considered a disruption by many.
People get tired of struggling and they get scared and they want release. Even a false sense of release.