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Mon Jun 21, 2021, 08:39 AM

I wonder how this current worker shortage is squaring with the Ayn Rand crowd

Doesn't this current situation not prove that the workers hold up the bosses and the companies more than the other way around, or at least that it all balances out and we all work together?

Rand's premise that the world is held up on the backs of the rich just doesn't work in reality.

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Reply I wonder how this current worker shortage is squaring with the Ayn Rand crowd (Original post)
Ohioboy Jun 2021 OP
Paladin Jun 2021 #1
Ohioboy Jun 2021 #2
Paladin Jun 2021 #3
hatrack Jun 2021 #6
Norbert Jun 2021 #7
Silver Gaia Jun 2021 #9
Paladin Jun 2021 #14
Johnny2X2X Jun 2021 #18
Whatthe_Firetruck Jun 2021 #22
Paladin Jun 2021 #23
Midnight Writer Jun 2021 #24
-misanthroptimist Jun 2021 #4
rickford66 Jun 2021 #5
-misanthroptimist Jun 2021 #11
rickford66 Jun 2021 #12
-misanthroptimist Jun 2021 #13
Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2021 #15
-misanthroptimist Jun 2021 #17
Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2021 #19
Act_of_Reparation Jun 2021 #8
SKKY Jun 2021 #10
bucolic_frolic Jun 2021 #16
IronLionZion Jun 2021 #20
Warpy Jun 2021 #21

Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 08:52 AM

1. Gotta recall the lovely comment about Rand's enduring popularity.

Her novels are still widely read---tens of thousands of college freshmen outgrow them every year....

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Response to Paladin (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 08:57 AM

2. I know an Ayn Rand fan who has never actually read any of her books

Funny how that works.

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Response to Ohioboy (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 09:02 AM

3. Was anybody ever stupid enough to do a movie of "Atlas Shrugged"?

Seems to me there was some talk of one---but I'm not inclined to waste time Googling it to see if it ever happened.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 09:15 AM

6. Rotten Tomatoes review average: 12/100

The critics rave!!

Made on the cheap with no-name stars, this is no better than a stilted anachronistic curiosity, a low-rent version of the eighties' prime-time soap Dallas, with the industrial concerns and sexual mores of 1950s, all, somehow, set in 2016.

This comically tasteless and flavorless adaptation of Ayn Rand's bombastic magnum opus delivers her simplistic nostrums with smug self-satisfaction.

Every cult needs its own wacky trainwreck of a movie... and now the cult of Ayn Rand gets Atlas Shrugged, Part 1.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/atlas_shrugged_part_i

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Response to Paladin (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 09:19 AM

7. I was thinking more along the lines of Anthem

where the dialogue is something akin to Bizarro Superman.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 09:24 AM

9. Yes.

At least three have been filmed, starting in 2011. All have been terrible, were panned by critics and avoided by moviegoers.

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Response to Silver Gaia (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 10:12 AM

14. So I guess hardly anybody ultimately gave a fuck who John Galt was.

Suits me.

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Response to Ohioboy (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 11:26 AM

18. I know multiple Ayn Rand followers who haven't read her books

Most Libertarians are intellectually dishonest and weak minded.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 12:09 PM

22. I got through it with a trick.

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Just past the middle of the book is a speech from John Galt when he pops back out of the woodwork. It goes on for pages and pages, just an unrelating wall of talking by one person richmansplaining to his audience the way he thought everything worked (Actually imo this is 100% Rand talking, not her character).

So I took a paperclip and fastened all the pages of That Damn Speech together and read around it, just skipping it entirely. The story, if you can call it that, doesn't really suffer for the lack of it. It's a terrible book, wooden and poorly written, with the author's polemic stapled to the middle and deceptively coming out of the mouth of her MC. But at least with the paperclip method it's somewhat readable.

It taught me a lesson or two on how NOT to write fiction. 1) If you can skip a part of your manuscript without damaging the rest of your book, it doesn't need it and you should cut it. 2) If you have a long and complex block of info that does need to be conveyed, break it into little morsels that can be woven around the story's plot so the reader doesn't even notice you're doing it.

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Response to Whatthe_Firetruck (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 12:15 PM

23. Like you, I skipped That Damn Speech. Wish I'd skipped the whole book.

And I wish an editor had applied your two fiction-writing rules to Rand's awful works. The world would be a better place.

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Response to Whatthe_Firetruck (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 03:12 PM

24. Reminds me of Elmore Leonard's advice to writers.

You know that part of the book you're reading where you just kind of skim over it?

Leave all that out.

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 09:10 AM

4. Objectivism is childish, self-serving rubbish

Rand's premise should have been stillborn, and would have had she actually thought about it and observed the real world around her. John Galts pick up their toys and go home almost every day, somewhere on Earth. Yet the world keeps turning. That is because they are quickly replaced, whether by a single individual or several. That fact escaped her and continues to elude the proponents of Objectivism...somehow. It's really laughable.

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Response to -misanthroptimist (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 09:15 AM

5. I used to use John Galt as the author on some of my software.

No one ever asked who he was, so I guess no one ever read the headings.

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 09:33 AM

11. That may be Galt's only use.

I never made it through even one of Rand's books. I tried multiple times. They're just awful in almost every possible way.

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Response to -misanthroptimist (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 09:35 AM

12. Nobody ever said "Who is John Galt?"

Never, damn, never !

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 09:39 AM

13. Dammit! I didn't either.

It's not like me to miss a straight line like that.

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Response to -misanthroptimist (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 11:06 AM

15. Yes, Objectivism is not Libertarianism. You put your finger on the narcissism. . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 11:24 AM

17. Libertarianism is the political application of Objectivism...more or less.

Never new the Objectivist who wasn't a Libertarian, though the reverse isn't always true.

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Response to -misanthroptimist (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 11:30 AM

19. Backwards. Objectivists are narcissists who are attracted to libertarianism or want to be rich


There are many pseudo-libertarians. Pseudo because

1) They don't factor in liability (personal and corporate responsibility).

2) They are for eliminating regulations to get rich and cutting welfare to cut taxes but not for personal liberty re abortion or voting rights.

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 09:20 AM

8. They are arguing that government handouts are disincentivizing work.

Predictably. Broken record, that crowd.

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 09:32 AM

10. Yea, Rand's philosiphy doesn't work for a country with an economy...

...70% based on consumer spending. And who is the consumer? It's not the rich people. So, yea, Atlas is shrugging, but Atlas isn't who she thought he was.

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 11:11 AM

16. Workers got a taste of freedom and discovered the costs of employment

commuting, time, wardrobe, pay, answering to the man. Side gigs became home gigs during the pandemic. Dreams were front and center and then the cash flow began to arrive.

I read yesterday, I think it was in a tweet by some economist or journalist, that 4 million Americans QUIT their job during May. So they are finding more palatable opportunity at home or in better paying employment.

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 11:35 AM

20. Since the world is breaking the backs of the rich

the rich have the option to be less rich. Or pay workers more. Either way, they need to assess their loss of revenue from not having enough workers vs the cost of simply paying better wages to attract workers.

If they can't do that basic cost benefit analysis, then they will complain about stimulus checks for people who have been struggling to pay their rent and bills over the past year during a pandemic.

Restaurant/retail work sucks. I hated dealing with entitled asshole customers who like to make life difficult for service workers.

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Response to Ohioboy (Original post)

Mon Jun 21, 2021, 11:54 AM

21. Workers? That broad didn't need them in her Utopia

Anybody who worked for hire was some kind of altruistic sucker, her giants of men and women drove their own choo choo trains and took orders from no one, which is why her trash is so popular among adolescent males and males who never grew up because money protected them from doing so.

I sincerely hope future generations are a bit wiser and that her oeuvres become bizarre relics, execrably written novels with ridiculous premises, cardboard cutout characters, and an underlying dogma so sociopathic that even 14 year old boys chafing under Mom and Dad's restrictions couldn't possibly take it seriously.

As for the current crop of Objectivist idiots in government, their reaction is entirely predictable: cut off their food, apply the lash, and you'll get some work out of the lazy buggers. Objectivism enshrines the master-slave pardigm, the masters never having to consider the slaves have any right to a POV of their own.

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