It IS Over. Get this blood sucking rule of the 32% off the body politic of the 68%.

[ancianita]

It IS over, unless Senate Democrats -- ALL DEMOCRATS -- are willing to do exactly what Republicans would do. If Republicans take back the Senate in 2022, Mitch will end the filibuster on Day One, and the Republicans will pass nationwide voter restriction laws.

This "fight" has now been dragged past the line of negative returns.
If the filibuster blockage of "For The People" is not resolved before August recess it will 'normalize' fascist minority rule with back home voters, especially the 38% Senate Repubs represent.

This is not the "BOLD" that Schumer talked about over 100 days ago.

Again:
If Republicans take back the Senate in 2022, Mitch will end the filibuster on Day One, and the Republicans will pass nationwide voter restriction laws. And officialize the minority rule of fascism.

Furthermore, to stand by and watch this filibuster "fight" theater is insanity theater.

VOTING RIGHTS OF AMERICANS SHOULD NEVER HANG ON A SENATE RULE'S EXISTENCE.

ELIMINATE THE FILIBUSTER RULE BECAUSE REPUBLICANS HAVE ALREADY NULLIFIED REPRESENTATION OF 68% OF AMERICANS THROUGH THIS RULE. IT IS OVER.

NUKE THE FILIBUSTER WITHOUT A SENATE VOTE.
JUST NUKE IT.

NUKE IT ON THE DAY BEFORE RECESS.
THEN TAKE THE VOTE ON 'FOR THE PEOPLE' ACT.
LET REPUBLICANS GO HOME AND RAIL ABOUT THE LOSS OF DARK MONEY AS THE LOSS OF DEMOCRACY.

REPUBLICANS CANNOT AND WILL NOT DO A THING ABOUT THE NUKE BECAUSE THEY ARE NO LONGER A **DELIBERATIVE** BODY. THEY HAVE THOUGHT THAT WITHOUT THE FILIBUSTER THEY CAN'T WIN IN 2022. THEY HAVE KNOWN THAT AFTER THEY ELIMINATE THE FILIBUSTER IN 2022 THEY WILL STAY PERMANENTLY IN POWER.

NUKE THE FILIBUSTER WITHOUT A SENATE VOTE.
JUST KILL THE FILIBUSTER. NUKE IT. END IT. ONCE AND FOR ALL.

UP OR DOWN FLOOR VOTES WILL COME AFTER DELIBERATIVE COMMITTEE VOTES FROM NOW ON.


THAT RIGHT THERE, NUKING THE FILIBUSTER, SAVES THE SOUL OF AMERICA -- DEMOCRACY.
THE BLOODSUCKING TORTURE IS OVER.




This is for you, Senate Majority Leader Schumer:

[KS Toronado]

1. Killing the filibuster would guarantee us the White House & congress for at least 20 years

With the filibuster we have had a do nothing congress for way to long. Getting rid of it would show voters that
Democrats can lead America into prosperity and fairness for all. We need to LEAD this country without allowing
reQublicans to get in the way.

[ancianita]

3. Agree. Senator Markey said that having it dragged Senate Democrats "through the mud" by

killing good legislation over 400 TIMES. How many legislative sessions was that. Probably YEARS of weaponizing the filibuster.

De-weaponize and disarm this filibuster bomb. Then bury it.

[KS Toronado]

4. Yes, you got it.....De-weaponize the reQublicans!

[smirkymonkey]

5. +1000

[Texin]

23. I don't think anything is guaranteed.

But I believe an antiquated and arcane holdover from the Jim Crow era should be abolished or overhauled. McConnell has proven over and over again that he believes in mowing through democracy to have his way, and every republiQan in the senate is in lockstep with him.

I can somewhat understand Manchin's hesitancy about abolishing/changing the filibuster because of the state he represents. Sinema is another matter. There is absolutely not one good reason for her continued obstinance on the matter -- unless there is someone or some entity out there that is holding a proverbial Sword of Damocles over her head. There's got to be something from her past that's being used as a cudgel to keep her in line with their interests. That's the only thing I could guess that would make her so recalcitrant on her posture.

[lagomorph777]

2. Just freakin' do it.

Time is wasting. McConnell is sharpening his knives.

[librechik]

6. Well said, Ancianita. You could have yelled a little more. ALLOW MEE

EEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Go to Hell forever, you stupid STUPID RACIST MAN BABIES! YOUR MOVEMENT DIED A CENTURY AGO AND MORE!!!! DRAG IT OUT OF THE PRESENT AND NINSERT COMMON SENSE INTO 2021. GREEDY SELFISH ASSHOLES!

[ancianita]

7. Dude! That's what YOU'RE for!

This yelling is as appropriate as yelling ever gets.

We should all be standing in front of Republican Senators yelling this at the top of our lungs.

[librechik]

9. YEEEESSSSSSS!!!!

[Calista241]

8. Why would McConnell end the filibuster in 2022?

That brings him no advantage whatsoever. As Majority Leader, he'll be able to do everything he could want to do as an opposition leader in charge of his branch. In the Senate, nothing comes to the floor without the Majority Leader's consent.

He can't pass any legislation without Biden's signature. Even if Repubs also take control the House, they need 78 votes to override a Presidential Veto. And the Presidential Veto is actually in the Constitution, there's no short cuts or political jockeying to overcome a Presidential Veto.

The chances of him removing the filibuster next year are exactly ZERO. Now the chances do go up if the Repubs win the Presidential election in 2024, but if he stood up to Trump, I don't see him caving on this. The only thing he cares about is judges and taxes, and he can do both of those with the filibuster in place.

[ancianita]

11. He already has when it suits his goals! He depends on you conveniently forgetting when

he and his trumpcorps eliminated the Senate filibuster on Supreme Court nominees.

Then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., was not responsible for lowering the vote threshold to confirm Supreme Court nominees to 51. Rather, he orchestrated that change for judicial nominees and presidential appointments, excluding the Supreme Court.

When control of the Senate changed parties, it was Republican Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., who extended the rule change to apply to nominees to the Supreme Court in 2017.

Here was his statement to Democrats:

"So all you Democrats, if it wasn't for your party changing the rule in 2013 you would now have the votes to stop Trump from replacing Ginsburg," the post continued. "If you want to blame somebody for screwing you out of the chance to stop Trump from filling this seat, you can put the blame right where it belongs, your own party and the people you elected to run it."



That right there should give you pause, along with all your arguments. He doesn't need Biden's signature for remaking the judiciary without formal Congressional judiciary reform. He's already been AT IT.

For McConnell, he needs the filibuster for the OTHER party, not for his party that wants to be a placeholder for ending majority rule. Whether you want to believe that or not, that's where this is going.

Chances for 2022 are WAY ABOVE ZERO. You've already overlooked when he's used his own nuclear option.

[jimfields33]

16. Trump got 200+ judges on the court in 4 years.

With the 60+ rule, he’d gotten less then 50 plus no Supreme Court justices because republicans wouldn’t have changed that.

[ancianita]

20. But the OP is about how that will expand to legislation that gets upheld by those 200+ judges.

You're using a Manchin argument. Let deliberation be in committees, not under the minority's weaponizing the filibuster to stop all of Dems' legislation or nominees. All we can get right now is a replacement for Breyer.

Ending the filibuster will get us vote worthy legislation from here on out, and Sinemanchin should now see that as working to their reelection benefit.

[zaj]

10. Mitch will NOT end the filibuster on "Day 1"

This bold prediction is the central thesis of your post and it's ridiculous. He can't pass any laws without the House and President. So there is ZERO policy reason to kill it in 2022. And the political explosion would be wasted on nothing. It also risks a return of control to Dems in 2024 and him having taken the political hit for ending the filibuster... All while gaining zero policy advantage.

[ancianita]

13. He doesn't NEED to pass any laws. The statehouses are doing that FOR HIM.

This is not about Biden's signatures or any fascist repubs' desire to pass future laws.

You'd better hope you're right that I'm ridiculous, THIS time, because if you end up wrong, this minority rule is what will become of your Manchin view.

Markey told you last night about 400 bills not passed because of repubs' weaponizing, not using, the filibuster.

But hey, go ahead and take Manchin's view.

[zaj]

31. Your logic is flawed and your stubbornness isn't helping

I'm not saying MM wouldn't do exactly what you are saying but it's never going happen in 2022. As I explained it's a self sabotaging move in that moment.

[Aviation Pro]

12. Moscow's Bitch has a problem though

It's called a huge, fucking veto from President Biden.

So, fuck him, that fucking turtle.

[ancianita]

14. There is no problem when you don't have legislation to pass to begin with.

Repubs under McConnell are Federalist Society nominators, not legislation deliberators.

[Elessar Zappa]

15. Mitch can't pass anything

with Biden still president. But I do think he might get rid of it in 2024, assuming Republicans control the Presidency and Senate, which is by no means assured.

[ancianita]

33. The short term win isn't the issue here.

You're right to err on the side of thinking he will. And why wouldn't he want to solidify the right wing agenda once and for all, right?

[ancianita]

17. Furthermore, Americans don't give a damn about the filibuster for reasons most Democrats don't.

Which side do you want to err on -- Manchin's or Barbara Boxer's?

Where she once believed that Republicans would shred everything short of the Bill of Rights if it weren’t for the filibuster, she now sees it as an impediment to a working Senate and a functioning democracy. For her, the scales had tipped toward ending the filibuster. “It’s turned into a total disaster,” she says. “It’s time to change it and we should not be hesitant.”

... Boxer’s path from stalwart defender to fierce opponent of the filibuster mirrors a larger shift in the Democratic Party. For a variety of reasons, more and more Democrats are reaching the same conclusion Boxer has: that the need to preserve the filibuster as a check on future Republican majorities is outweighed by the danger of leaving it in place and failing to act on urgent crises like climate change, gun violence, and democratic reform.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/democrats-filibuster-biden-mcconnell-manchin-1168837/

[ancianita]

18. Furthermore, Democratic wins in 2020 won't change much if Mitch McConnell saves the filibuster.

Relative moderates like Biden and Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J., assert that the filibuster should be kept in place because it will force Democrats and Republicans to work together to develop bipartisan solutions, a fantasy discredited by pretty much everything to happen in American politics since Barack Obama’s inauguration. If the filibuster could restore bipartisan comity to American politics, it would have already happened.


the fact that the Democratic agenda is more popular than the Republican one doesn’t mean that public protest will compel Republicans to help a Democratic president get his legislative agenda passed. Instead, even if they are in the minority in the Senate, they’ll just use the filibuster, as they always have.

faced with the choice between upholding the filibuster as-is and allowing the Republican minority to prevent Barack Obama from getting any nominees to the nation’s second-most important courts confirmed, they decided to blow it up.

especially if Democrats have only a 50- or 51-member majority in 2021, it will be very difficult. But the fact that many Senate Democrats are claiming to support the filibuster now doesn’t mean they’ll maintain their support in the future — and, in fact, they shouldn’t.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/democratic-wins-2020-won-t-change-much-if-mitch-mcconnell-ncna981831

Even mainstream media gets it.

[Sogo]

19. I certainly agree with your sentiments,

but how do they "nuke" it?

[ancianita]

24. Schumer nukes the rule. Nullifies it. Ends it. Like McConnell did over SCOTUS nominees.

[Sogo]

25. So, we should bombard Schumer with the demand....

?

[Calista241]

38. No he doesn't. That's not how it happens at all.

Schumer has to bring a cloture vote to the floor.

The Senate votes on cloture.

The Republicans have to filibuster said legislation.

Schumer brings the tabled bill back to the floor for a vote.

The call for a vote is ruled out of order.

Schumer calls for a vote to change the Senate rules.

51 votes have to be recorded to change the Senate rules.

[Jon King]

21. Waste if energy, Manchin and Sinema already said forget it....

Not going to happen so no use wasting any more time and energy. The only thing left is to organize and try to hold PA, MI, WI and keep the Repugs from getting the Presidency in 2024.

[ancianita]

22. "For the People" Act is not a waste of energy. They said they're FOR it.

It's not going to happen for us in PA, MI, WI or other battlegrounds again if these statehouses are not held unconstitutional by that Act's precedent.

There will be court battles, but by and large, dark money will not run the show when this Act is passed.

[brooklynite]

26. As have other Democratic Senators (just not as publicly)

There isn't a Democratic consensus to eliminate the filibuster.

[RegularJam]

29. The most animated voices come out...

When it’s known their wishes can’t become reality. It is human nature for some to get upset and guarantee failure over something that isn’t a good option or even a possibility.

[Duncan Grant]

36. Let's do the same thing we always do and expect different results. That'll work.

Respectfully, I believe we can do more. We should educate the public about all that’s inherently wrong with the gop playbook, constructively harness the outrage over efforts to undermine democracy, and present plans to the public about what’s possible with change. The republicans are good at this — I don’t know why we can’t do likewise.

Manchin and Sinema can be persuaded — if we’re willing to apply public pressure. All of this can happen concurrently with your strategy.

[LaMouffette]

37. I think there's hope they would vote to kill the filibuster since in the end, they did vote with the

rest of the Democrats yesterday in the Voting Rights Act bill.

Wouldn't it be exquisite if Manchin and Sinema's current objections to killing the filibuster were just an act to lull the Repubs into a false sense of complacency? I would love to see us Dems play the Repubs with carefully orchestrated fake objections followed up with kill-the-filibuster votes from those two.

[Kablooie]

27. Only if GOP holds all three branches.

Otherwise they couldn't pass draconian laws anyway.
The presidency or house would kill them.

But the voting restrictions will give them a much stronger chance of achieving this.

[RegularJam]

28. Might feel good yelling it...

But it will create even more instability.

Our democracy is thriving. Keep fighting.

[ancianita]

30. RegularJam? This isn't about yelling. It's about EMPHASIZING.

For the record I don't feel good about any of it.

[Sympthsical]

32. Biden would have to sign it.

So that will never happen.

[ancianita]

34. Sign a rule nullification? No. That's not how this would work.

The filibuster is not written into law, so Biden would not be involved. All he would sign is the For The People Act, which he definitely wants passed.

[ancianita]

35. If the filibuster blockage of "For The People" is not resolved before August recess

it will normalize fascist minority rule over the recess and into 2022.
Then dark money, gerrymandered battlegrounds will establish fascist rule from 2022 to 2024, possibly beyond because of Electoral College vote nullifications at state house levels.

Schumer could nuke the filibuster and pass the For The People Act even in August.
It would be a big mistake to wait, since court battles that will ensue could suspend 2022 voting results until rulings are made, which would likely take the fights all the way to the Supreme Court.
The Marc Elias teams should not be our last line of defense into 2022 after the Act gets passed.

Again, which side do you want to err on -- pro- or anti-filibuster ?

[roamer65]

39. The Senate is in desperate need of reform.

It’s not just the filibuster, which should be a no brainer on eliminating.

The allocation of senators needs to become proportional, not a fixed amount.

That requires a constitutional amendment which won’t happen.

[ancianita]

40. Yes.

So we should go for the no brainer.

[roamer65]

41. ..

Definitely.

[roamer65]

42. The Senate should be required to take up all House legislation.

An up or down vote should be required for all House bills. No exceptions.

No filibuster, either.

[ancianita]

43. I'm TOTALLY for that. Up or down is exactly what the nation needs at this point. Given the

existing imbalance of 38% to 68% across parties, it would become more apparent to Americans just how minority ruled they have been once all this slow motion coma coverage of the Senate of the comatose Senate disappears.

We have so much to fix, and now that "deliberative" is nonexistent, that the process must speed up.