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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 07:30 PM Jun 2021

Donald Trump's Odds of Going to Prison Just Skyrocketed

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/trump-organization-allen-weisselberg-criminal-charges#intcid=recommendations_vf-hive-trending-legacy_4c810068-3f49-456f-bd73-0757a66832bc_popular4-1

Crime
Donald Trump’s Odds of Going to Prison Just Skyrocketed
The Trump Organization and its CFO will reportedly be hit with criminal charges on Thursday, and additional indictments may be coming.
By Bess Levin
June 30, 2021

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According to the Journal, Weisselberg and the company are expected to be hit with charges related to allegedly avoiding paying taxes on fringe benefits. For months Cyrus Vance Jr.’s office has been investigating whether the perks the CFO (and other employees) was awarded, including cars, corporate apartments, and private school tuition, were a way of evading money owed to the IRS. In addition to reportedly obtaining Weisselberg’s personal tax returns, the D.A.’s office scored a trove of financial documents from his ex-daughter-in-law, Jennifer Weisselberg, whose former husband, Barry Weisselberg, is also a longtime employee of the company. (In his divorce deposition Barry was unable to answer a number of questions about his taxes, and when asked if taxes had been paid on the Trump Organization–owned apartment where his family previously lived, he said he didn’t know. Pressed to explain discrepancies between what he said he earned and what he actually reported on tax forms, he responded: “I’m not an accountant. I know what I make. I’m not too sure of certain things.”)

While Weisselberg has thus far refused to cooperate with the investigation, being personally charged, and contemplating the prospect of prison time, could obviously change his decision re: testifying against Trump—and if it were to, it would undoubtedly be a very, very bad turn of events for the 45th president. Weisselberg has described himself as the “eyes and ears“ of the company from a financial standpoint, and he could presumably connect any number of dots about potential crimes committed by Trump.

Meanwhile, per the Journal:

If prosecutors could show the Trump Organization and its executives systematically avoided paying taxes, they could file more serious charges alleging a scheme, lawyers said.

Mr. Weisselberg and his lawyers haven’t commented on the investigation or impending charges. Mr. Trump has denied wrongdoing and said the investigations, conducted by offices led by Democrats, are politically motivated. Earlier this week he said in a statement that the case is composed of “things that are standard practice throughout the U.S. business community, and in no way a crime.”

The tax-related investigation is part of a broader criminal probe into whether the Trump Organization and its officers overvalued and undervalued its assets on loan, tax, and insurance documents for financial gain, the Journal has reported. The criminal probe, led by the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office, and civil probe, by the New York attorney general, have looked at financial dealing around some of the same properties, including Mr. Trump’s Seven Springs estate, in Westchester, N.Y., and the Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago, the Journal has reported. The investigations by both offices remain open, and any charges filed Thursday wouldn’t preclude future action. The attorney general’s civil investigation could result in a lawsuit against the Trump Organization or its officers. The criminal investigation could also lead to additional indictments in the future.


As Weisselberg’s ex-daughter-in-law told Air Mail in April, “Trump doesn’t care about Allen, but Allen knows every bad thing he ever did.”
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Donald Trump's Odds of Going to Prison Just Skyrocketed (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2021 OP
Oooh, I like the way this is unwinding. Bring It On! CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2021 #1
Lock them all up Trueblue1968 Jun 2021 #33
Teflon Don LifeLongDemocratic Jun 2021 #2
maybe bdamomma Jun 2021 #5
I don't think that they will charge and convict him helpisontheway Jun 2021 #6
Tend to agree..but just imagine what a state that tiny tortured brain must be suffering PortTack Jun 2021 #8
Actually I think deep financial and legal trouble Mr.Bill Jun 2021 #29
I think it all depends on what comes out. AngryOldDem Jun 2021 #18
Weisselberg would be too afraid of ending up like Epstein wnylib Jun 2021 #23
Remember, Epstein died in prison. gab13by13 Jun 2021 #27
And Weisselberg is apparently headed wnylib Jun 2021 #31
Guess Roger Stone did... But trump had the pardon. Surely Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2021 #34
I hope so... Mike Nelson Jun 2021 #3
Family loyalty? Ivanka keithbvadu2 Jun 2021 #4
"He may have served covfefe once, FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #25
Nothing says I'm Guilty like refusing to cooperate C_U_L8R Jun 2021 #7
For not paying some taxes? brooklynite Jun 2021 #9
That's what Al Capone thought. nt babylonsister Jun 2021 #12
Ask Al Capone how that worked out Hekate Jun 2021 #15
Except this is NOT Federal Taxes... brooklynite Jun 2021 #19
We'll see. orangecrush Jun 2021 #22
KnR Hekate Jun 2021 #10
Why wouldn't Weisselberg just totally flip on Trump? AngryOldDem Jun 2021 #11
Scared of the Russian mob? not fooled Jun 2021 #21
I have never heard that. babylonsister Jun 2021 #30
K&R spanone Jun 2021 #13
Best news I've heard all day. lpbk2713 Jun 2021 #14
Sending Trump to prison will require tying him personally to this jmowreader Jun 2021 #16
Thank You For Posting..PLEASE READ THE LAST SENTENCE OF THIS POST..PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, Stuart G Jun 2021 #17
InDepends Day is just on the horizon Blue Owl Jun 2021 #20
Bad Boys, Bad Girls... whatcha gonna do? BootinUp Jun 2021 #24
Pull Donald J. Trump's passport now. sarcasmo Jun 2021 #26
I'm going to stick with what I've been saying for at least a year now - bullwinkle428 Jun 2021 #28
donny's time in the bull pen is coming up real quick & he know's it ! monkeyman1 Jun 2021 #32

helpisontheway

(5,007 posts)
6. I don't think that they will charge and convict him
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 08:19 PM
Jun 2021

If they can’t get him I hope they get his troll children Princess Ivanka and Trump Jr. I guarantee they were involved with all of the crimes.

Mr.Bill

(24,281 posts)
29. Actually I think deep financial and legal trouble
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:14 PM
Jun 2021

is his comfort zone. He's lived that way for decades and not only survived, but thrived.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
18. I think it all depends on what comes out.
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 08:37 PM
Jun 2021

To think that Trump had no idea what was going on is ludicrous.

We just have to wait and see, and hope Weisselberg comes clean in exchange for a deal. I mean, who in their right mind would be okay with taking the fall as the boss goes scot-free?

Stay tuned…

wnylib

(21,431 posts)
23. Weisselberg would be too afraid of ending up like Epstein
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 09:38 PM
Jun 2021

to flip on the orange fascist.

Trump organization will crumble. Russian thugs and Puti will lose their investments in him, but Trump will not be charged or jailed.

We will have to settle for watching his empire crumble and knowing that it tears his ego to shreds.

I'm looking forward to seeing his name removed from buildings around the world. That alone should be enough to bring on a stroke.

wnylib

(21,431 posts)
31. And Weisselberg is apparently headed
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:25 PM
Jun 2021

for prison, where someone might take retribution if he flipped on his boss.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
34. Guess Roger Stone did... But trump had the pardon. Surely
Thu Jul 1, 2021, 07:54 AM
Jul 2021

Trump didn't issue secret pardons before leaving

C_U_L8R

(44,998 posts)
7. Nothing says I'm Guilty like refusing to cooperate
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 08:19 PM
Jun 2021

Spill the beans or rot in prison. Your choice, Mr Chief Financial Officer

orangecrush

(19,535 posts)
22. We'll see.
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 09:27 PM
Jun 2021


The spigot of laundered russian money has been turned off..

Taking the syndicate apart piece by piece.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
11. Why wouldn't Weisselberg just totally flip on Trump?
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 08:33 PM
Jun 2021

I know if I were in the same situation, saving my ass — not Donald’s — would be my top priority.

Yes, the walls are finally closing in. Just like with Al Capone.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
21. Scared of the Russian mob?
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 09:24 PM
Jun 2021

I heard that somewhere, that Weisselberg is more scared of retribution from Putin's goons than of Federal charges.

babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
30. I have never heard that.
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:21 PM
Jun 2021
I wonder where that came from.

He worked for mf45's father, so it's either misguided family allegiance or he stands to wind up in jail if he spills the beans. Which hopefully will happen anyway.

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
16. Sending Trump to prison will require tying him personally to this
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 08:36 PM
Jun 2021

Knowing about it but doing nothing, knowing about it and approving it, and actively participating or even directing it will all send him to a hotel just slightly different from the ones he owns.

I'm betting on them being able to prove he directed the scheme. In the Trump organization, absolutely nothing happens without Donald Trump's knowledge and approval.

And as to the "standard practice, and in no way a crime" thing...I'm reminded of the scene in Rodney Dangerfield's Back to School where the professor was listing all the costs of building a factory, and Rodney broke in to list all the bribes and Mafia payouts that are ordinary and necessary business expenses in NYC.

Stuart G

(38,416 posts)
17. Thank You For Posting..PLEASE READ THE LAST SENTENCE OF THIS POST..PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE,
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 08:37 PM
Jun 2021
This is it, the post that takes Trump Down.................................................

............Brilliant Post, VERY SPECIAL!!!!...THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU & THANK YOU!!

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
28. I'm going to stick with what I've been saying for at least a year now -
Wed Jun 30, 2021, 10:12 PM
Jun 2021

no one with the last name of Trump or Kushner will ever see the inside of a prison cell.

I promise that no one will be happier than me if that is proven wrong, but I wouldn't bet the mortgage on it.

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