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Fri Jul 2, 2021, 05:38 AM

 

Pew Report: Majority of white women (53%) voted for Trump in 2020, up 6% from 2016

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This is a larger percentage than Trump's support from white men (50%).

Seriously? What's up with that?

Women (especially white women) swung toward Trump

The idea that a majority of white women voted for Trump quickly became one of the 2016 election's most-cited statistics, as many Hillary Clinton supporters — particularly women — were outraged to see other women support Trump.

While that statistic was repeated over and over, Pew's data ultimately said this wasn't true — they found that in 2016, white women were split 47% to 45%, slightly in Trump's favor but not a majority.

This year, however, it appears that Trump did win a majority of white women. Pew found that 53% of white women chose Trump this year, up by 6 points from 2016.

This support contributed to an overall shift in women's numbers — while Clinton won women of all races by 15 points in 2016, Biden won them by 11 points in 2020. Combined with men's shifts described above, it shrank 2016's historic gender gap.

Notably, the swing in white women's margin (5 points altogether) was significantly smaller than white men's swing toward Biden (13 points altogether).

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/30/1011781661/we-just-got-our-clearest-picture-yet-of-how-biden-won-in-2020?utm_campaign=politics&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews

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Reply Pew Report: Majority of white women (53%) voted for Trump in 2020, up 6% from 2016 (Original post)
StarfishSaver Jul 2021 OP
Buckeyeblue Jul 2021 #1
Cosmocat Jul 2021 #7
JI7 Jul 2021 #15
tblue37 Jul 2021 #30
Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #2
BeerBarrelPolka Jul 2021 #3
maxrandb Jul 2021 #4
BeerBarrelPolka Jul 2021 #5
maxrandb Jul 2021 #8
StarfishSaver Jul 2021 #9
maxrandb Jul 2021 #11
Scrivener7 Jul 2021 #14
FakeNoose Jul 2021 #28
yardwork Jul 2021 #29
LineLineLineLineReply Q
tblue37 Jul 2021 #31
Klaralven Jul 2021 #6
Mariana Jul 2021 #21
Maeve Jul 2021 #10
nuxvomica Jul 2021 #12
WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #13
Elessar Zappa Jul 2021 #16
WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #17
Elessar Zappa Jul 2021 #19
Amishman Jul 2021 #41
Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #18
StarfishSaver Jul 2021 #25
apcalc Jul 2021 #20
smirkymonkey Jul 2021 #24
sinkingfeeling Jul 2021 #22
Hugin Jul 2021 #23
BootinUp Jul 2021 #26
Solly Mack Jul 2021 #27
mcar Jul 2021 #32
Bettie Jul 2021 #34
Hortensis Jul 2021 #36
walkingman Jul 2021 #38
Polybius Jul 2021 #47
WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #54
Bettie Jul 2021 #33
Hortensis Jul 2021 #35
Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #37
WyattKansas Jul 2021 #39
Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #40
StarfishSaver Jul 2021 #42
Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #44
Elessar Zappa Jul 2021 #46
Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2021 #49
StarfishSaver Jul 2021 #48
Elessar Zappa Jul 2021 #50
StarfishSaver Jul 2021 #51
romana Jul 2021 #43
NurseJackie Jul 2021 #45
jpljr77 Jul 2021 #52
moondust Jul 2021 #53

Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 05:54 AM

1. I wonder if big regional swings drive this overall number

In other words did southern white women support him in such high percentages that it is driving the national number?

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Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:24 AM

7. I suspect the southern element is baked in

Living in a NE state, I know a L O T of white women over the last decade who have really hardened as "conservatives," mostly driven by christianity.

I have always know/seen the libertarian and straight up hard right men, but white women are more open about their STRONG feelings on it now, which fits with the trend this article notes.

To me, this is reflective of the ever increasing domination of culture in our politics, white women coming home to the tribe because more practical aspects of politics and policy are more and more being drown out.

I am all for doing right by the marginalized in this country, and fully support meaningful reform and policy. But, the more the focus and discussion of our politics is culture based, the more we lose, cause we are so diverse it just distracts and spreads us out while it unites the right.

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Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:59 AM

15. It has to be because Biden would not have won in other parts without increase in White women support

So Trump got a higher turn out among the non educated white women in the red areas than the last time around. And those women most likely didn't vote then .

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Response to JI7 (Reply #15)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:23 AM

30. I bet Q devotion had a lot to do with it.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:01 AM

2. He also gained support among Latina women in border states. There's no accounting for it.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:07 AM

3. So

So women who get behind the Me Too movement, women who are strongly reacting to the release of Bill Cosby, etc, etc.

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Response to BeerBarrelPolka (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:14 AM

4. No! White women like Marge Traitor Greene and "Who Framed Lorena Bobert"

There are a lot of pro- Handmaiden white women out there.

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:16 AM

5. So

So you are saying there are more women supporters of trash like Marge and Lauren than there are of Me Too, etc?

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Response to BeerBarrelPolka (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:28 AM

8. No, I'm saying

that I saw white women at Donnie Dipshit rallies wearing "T***p can grab my p***y anytime" shirts, and that is the mindset that explains how 53% of white women voters supported the Asspickle.

Ignorance, hatred, racism, cruelty, greed and misogyny are NOT gender driven.

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:41 AM

9. Women like that surely voted for him in 2016, too. So who/what accounts for the 6% swing?

 

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:46 AM

11. I think that they were very good at data-mining every Dumbfuckistan Murika shithole

Turn over a rock in Beaver County, PA, for example, and you'll find a shit-ton of worms.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:57 AM

14. The turnout for this election was massively higher than any other election. 13% more people

voted than in the previous highest turnout.

I imagine that some of these 6% of white women were women who never voted before and Bubba, their husband, got them a mail in ballot and filled it out for them.

I imagine that some were women who never voted before and voted themselves, but that the demographic of white women who never voted before skews republiQan, rural, and white supremacist.

I seriously doubt that many former Hillary voters switched to trump.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:56 AM

28. I go along with this way of thinking

There are a lot more women in the US who would vote the way their husbands do, or how their husbands tell them to, than the other way around.

Chump and evangelical churches tried to turn 2020 into the "rapture-armageddon" showdown, and it really churned up a lot of crazies that normally aren't regular voters. I think that's were the 6% uptick may have come from.

Speaking as a 70-year-old white woman, it makes me sick to think that ANY American women were stupid enough to be fooled by that orange asshole. But it is what it is.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:58 AM

29. More white women voted in 2020 than in 2016.

And a somewhat higher percentage of those white women voters supported Trump in 2020 compared to 2016.

To me, that's somewhat to be expected as the sitting president naturally has some advantages.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:23 AM

31. Q

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:19 AM

6. With mail in ballots, more women voted the way their husbands told them to?

With mail in voting, women are not voting in private anymore.

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Response to Klaralven (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:39 AM

21. That could very well be a factor. nt.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:45 AM

10. Well, there goes the 'women are smarter' claim



Personally, you couldn't pay this pale white lady enough money to THINK of voting for TFG

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:47 AM

12. Just goes to show there's plenty of stupid to go around

And we always vastly underestimate how many stupid people -- defined as people who behave against everyone's interest including their own -- there actually are.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 06:47 AM

13. White women are both a tool and a weapon in the system of white supremacy; as such,

they can be some of its staunchest defenders.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:14 AM

16. Yea but you'd

still think they would vote for the more pro-woman candidate.

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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:15 AM

17. I wouldn't think that, actually. White women voters have broken for the Democratic presidential

candidate only twice since 1952.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:20 AM

19. Wow, I didn't know that.

Interesting.

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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:40 AM

41. plenty do not put women's issues high in their priorities

We can't assume that someone will or should vote for us because of their race, gender, or sexual orientation is one that our platform is more favorable towards. Not everyone in those groups prioritizes those issues

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:17 AM

18. White women have a history of supporting the police...

... and incarceration, so the protests and "defund the police" mantra might've scared them more than men.



The Troubling Alliance Between Feminism and Policing
https://www.californialawreview.org/feminism-and-policing/

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:49 AM

25. I could see that explaining Congressional and down ballot races

 

But I don't think many people attributed those "scary" things to Biden. If they did, there was something else going on there.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:29 AM

20. I view this with a regional and geographical lens.

Where do most white women live?

For the most part, my white women friends in the Philly burbs were strongly anti-Trump.
I suspect in other regions, especially the south, that is not the case.

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Response to apcalc (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:48 AM

24. Same here in New England.

Most women I know are Democrats and voted for Biden. There are a few outliers but they are the minority.

Who the hell are these women and what is wrong with them?

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:40 AM

22. OMG, why?

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:42 AM

23. Interesting information.

For a number of reasons.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:53 AM

26. That's b4 adding in the Trump/Q poll factor.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 07:55 AM

27. K&R





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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:32 AM

32. I will never, never understand this

I live in a very red, rural, mostly retirement county in FL. I take, and teach, water aerobics at a local gym. The vast majority of the women who attend these classes are RW Trump humpers - including the other instructor, a 65 YO black woman married to a white man. You can probably imagine what she and her husband dealt with when they married 35+ years ago. His family disowned him, at one point they moved north to escape the hatred being strewn their way.

Still, she's a RW Trumper, as are most of the class. She's an evangelical Christian and was a pastor. She also falls for all the crazy conspiracy theories. I look around at all these white women, most of them very nice people, and I don't understand. I will never understand how they can embrace hate and lies. But I feel more and more alienated from them.

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Response to mcar (Reply #32)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:38 AM

34. Evangelical Christianity is a big piece of the puzzle too

I don't know about there, but here? Churches preach the gospel of MAGA from the pulpit.

There's also the fact that they work to eradicate critical thinking as "sinful" from the first day of Sunday School.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #34)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:49 AM

36. Authoritarian PERSONALITY is behind this. No surprise that authoritarian

religion attracts people with strong emotional need for a leader to make decisions for them, or that they created authoritarian religions in the first place to meet that need. As for religion's ability to draw even more than secular leaders (thank heavens!), what leader is more powerful than god?

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Response to Bettie (Reply #34)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 09:27 AM

38. Agreed - it just wouldn't make any sense, would it?

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Response to mcar (Reply #32)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:16 AM

47. Abortion

No matter how bad the Republican is, if he or she is anti-abortion they will get their vote.

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Response to mcar (Reply #32)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 01:24 PM

54. White supremacy is a hell of a drug.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:36 AM

33. I wish I knew

because I'm a white woman and do not understand how any woman can vote for Republicans.

Around here, the reason he did so well was that Republicans were going door to door registering new Republican voters during a pandemic. At least I hope that's what it is, but, I've also realized I live among horrible people.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 08:45 AM

35. Seriously, what's up all right. We know some more RWers came out

of the woodwork in 2020 to vote for tRump, ones who hadn't voted before but were apparently alarmed to action by the evil left. Best guess would be those account for most of this.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 09:06 AM

37. We didn't lose voters, I am sure of that.

Voting was up across the board, but I expect that many MAGAt white women voted who previously had not.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 09:33 AM

39. Did the alleged gains in the Stock Market factor into this...

Because some are more interested in the gimmick get rich quick schemes and grifts that make their financial portfolio seem bigger in the Republican Vulture Capitalism policy???

In today's America, Republicans have trained a lot of people for decades that 'I got mine, fuck you!' is a moral virtue. Meanwhile republican voters have only been destroying and rotting the country and other Americans, while gleefully voting for less in the long run.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:11 AM

40. CNN exit polls for white/black women...

... in 2016 & 2020. Also, the percentages among all married/unmarried women.

2016:
https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

White women, 37% of voters.
52% Trump, 43% Clinton

Black women, 7% of voters.
94% Biden, 4% Trump

Married women, 30% of voters.
49% Clinton, 47% Trump

Unmarried women, 23% of voters.
63% Clinton, 32% Trump

2020:
https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results

White women, 32% of voters.
Trump 55%, Biden 44%

Black women, 8% of voters.
Biden 90%, Trump 9%

Married women, 26% of voters.
51% Trump, 47% Biden

Unmarried women, 23% of voters.
63% Biden, 36% Trump



According to those CNN exit polls, anyway, Trump gained ground among both white and black women in 2020. White women were a lower percentage of the total votes in 2020, however, whereas black women were a higher percentage of the total.

There were fewer married women who voted as a percentage of overall voters in 2020, and they swung to Trump by 6%. The percentage of unmarried women comprising the total votes was about the same, and they swung to Trump by 4%.

CNN supposedly took into account early and mail-voting with their percentages, by the way.
Exit polls are surveys of a random sample of voters taken as they leave their polling place on election day. Absentee and early voters are represented by either telephone polls or in-person exit polls at early voting locations.

It might mostly be a reflection of less excitement to vote for a man than a woman for President.

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #40)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:48 AM

42. The Pew Report - more accurate than CNN's exit polling - shows only 5% of Black female Trump voters

 

Not 9%.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #42)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:09 AM

44. It might still be the result of less excitement...

... about electing another man instead of a woman, though.

Pew's numbers are probably more accurate. Weird that they only have the white voters divided by gender in 2016.

I'm relieved that fewer men helped to re-elect the orange monster in 2020, at least. The Hispanic percentages took a worse turn, though.

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #44)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:15 AM

46. His Hispanic support

increased mainly in Florida and Texas. Out here in NM and other states like AZ and CA, his percentage of the Hispanic vote remained the same.

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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #46)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:26 AM

49. Yeah, I read something along those lines...

... in the past.

Thank goodness they didn't decide the whole shebang with Florida.

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #44)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:21 AM

48. I thought that was weird, too - but not unusual

 

Often polls lump Black voters together as "Black voters" while white voters are sliced, diced and analyzed every whichaway "College educated ... blue collar ... professional ... college educated blue collar ... non-college educated professionals with blonde hair ... suburbanites who once lived in an urban area ..."

Because white people are seen as individuals (whom we aren't even supposed to refer to as "white" because that's "divisive"...) while Black people are just Black people.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #48)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:33 AM

50. It's like when the media

says working class voters favor Trump. What they really mean is working class whites favor him because working class black people sure as hell don’t.

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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #50)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:42 AM

51. Exactly

 

Or when they claim that economic anxiety is the reason (white) people support him - ignoring the fact that Black people are the most economically insecure people in the country and WE don't support Trump, so that obviously can't be the reason, can it?

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 10:56 AM

43. Education?

What do the numbers look like when you factor in level of education? I remember the numbers in 2016 but also that college educated white women broke for Clinton. I suspect the same is true here, plus more non-college educated white women may have been motivated to turn out for Trump in 2020 given the state of things.

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Response to romana (Reply #43)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:14 AM

45. And, sadly, I still know a few women who "vote the same as their husbands"...

And, sadly, I still know a few women who "vote the same as their husbands"... because they aren't interested in politics, and they figure it's something that "men understand better" (gag me!) and that they "trust their husbands' judgement" (again, barf!)

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 11:44 AM

52. This was an intentional focus of the Trump/Republican campaigns and the source of their biggest lies

In the lead up to the election, so late summer/fall 2020, remember how often Trump and other Republicans used the phrase "urban unrest?" How about "defund the police?" They also focused on school closures in the 2020-21 school year. All of it was designed to scare moderate(ish) white women into voting for Trump.

But the coup de grace was Trump's focus on what "liberals" were trying to do to suburbs. ALL of it was horseshit. This was not a broad, national message. It was highly targeted and was actually the backbone of his entire 2020 campaign. I work in housing and I can't tell you exactly how much money they spent on social media targeting with that message, (it was well into the nine-figure range, seriously), but we were constantly fighting that messaging as it was EVERYWHERE.

That was his strategy: Terrorize people with lies and hope enough vote for him. It worked to a degree, but ultimately, it failed....just like his presidency.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 2, 2021, 01:23 PM

53. Fear of demographic changes.

My guess.

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