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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 07:04 AM Jul 2021

Welcome to Gilead



Forced pregnancies and neighbours legislating every woman’s wombs is the future for every woman in Texas. Inform on your neighbours’ reproductive choices and get a bounty… how very very Nazi… after all Hitler loved getting neighbours and families to report on each other.

Apart from this just being abhorrent on its face, have they given any thought to the fact that for the vast majority of people $10k is a large amount of money. Never mind the far right trying to find cases for cruelty and under his eye giggles, what about all those people who think accusing someone of this ‘crime’ is an easy way to make a few bucks and never mind the impact on the medical professionals and women involved.

Just when you think they cannot get more hideous… SURPRISE!



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Welcome to Gilead (Original Post) Soph0571 Jul 2021 OP
If Texas hasn't already, I can see the ban of home pregnancy tests, so no_hypocrisy Jul 2021 #1
Many women 6 weeks pregnant do not know it. This law of course hits poor women the hardest Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2021 #10
Home pregnancy tests can still be mail ordered from out of state FakeNoose Jul 2021 #11
How this "law" can play out: no_hypocrisy Jul 2021 #15
Sure, and what about teenage boys who knock their girlfriends up? FakeNoose Jul 2021 #23
Beg to differ: unless you're claiming you're not the father, you get $10K but no_hypocrisy Jul 2021 #26
This stupid law will be abused for lots of reasons FakeNoose Jul 2021 #27
Under His eye obamanut2012 Jul 2021 #2
Blessed be the fruit moose65 Jul 2021 #3
Praise Ingersollman Jul 2021 #6
May the Lord open! obamanut2012 Jul 2021 #28
I was SO happy when June started to fight back. hamsterjill Jul 2021 #51
Disgusting as all hell! calimary Jul 2021 #4
If were going with your body, but NOT your choice, the same 10 large Volaris Jul 2021 #5
Espionage in the Neighborhood bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #7
survey sez reset: let Texas secede, then take them with military, and re-establish democracy bringthePaine Jul 2021 #8
They Want Out, Let 'Em Go COL Mustard Jul 2021 #21
Good idea. Or give women refugee status if faced with an unwanted pregnancy. alfredo Jul 2021 #50
White Texas males claim "my body my choice" for not vaxing, but won't let women choose Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2021 #9
I've said that Gilead will become a reality Best_man23 Jul 2021 #12
Texas needs a $10,000 bounty on politicians caught lying to voters. KS Toronado Jul 2021 #13
Poor girls get unwanted babies and rich girls multigraincracker Jul 2021 #14
Of COURSE your neighbors will turn you in. no_hypocrisy Jul 2021 #16
AND the anti-choice republican woman will be no safer that pro choice women Soph0571 Jul 2021 #19
Next step: period police The Blue Flower Jul 2021 #17
Handmaid's Tale comes to real life. I watched the first season of Handmaid's Tale Pepsidog Jul 2021 #18
Get Out The Stasi Training Manual COL Mustard Jul 2021 #20
It's not as simple as calling the cops, amazingly. The person reporting the abortion has to file WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #22
Lots of lousy lawyers will make it their sole practice issue. lindysalsagal Jul 2021 #39
the cruelty is unfathomable LymphocyteLover Jul 2021 #24
Flood the courts with accusations that each Repuke politicians wife..... AZ8theist Jul 2021 #25
The "accusation" comes in the form of a lawsuit. If you flood the court with lawsuits against WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2021 #31
Probably...but... AZ8theist Jul 2021 #37
Where do I donate? lindysalsagal Jul 2021 #40
Oh, heavens, not all from the same person. soldierant Jul 2021 #49
Excellent idea. I like the way you think. wnylib Jul 2021 #33
That is horrifying PatSeg Jul 2021 #29
It ain't over. The Courts have consistently overthown all these stupid laws. marble falls Jul 2021 #30
I keep replaying the season 4 finale over in my mind. Solly Mack Jul 2021 #32
Women under surveillance should get. out. ancianita Jul 2021 #34
Then the Baby Daddy will get a forced vasectomy, right? Right? flying_wahini Jul 2021 #35
K&R for exposure Blue Owl Jul 2021 #36
The courts will throw this law out, but SCantiGOP Jul 2021 #38
So why not 10k to help new mothers and fathers? CrackityJones75 Jul 2021 #41
So now they're paying vigilantes. milestogo Jul 2021 #42
So, does this mean if you leave the state to have Bettie Jul 2021 #43
Well, this is hideous, and terrifying! electric_blue68 Jul 2021 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author IcyPeas Jul 2021 #45
One way this might play out... NullTuples Jul 2021 #46
The claims of reward aren't quite accurate. nolabear Jul 2021 #47
Those organizations musette_sf Jul 2021 #52
Texas politicians make a hard rightward push BGBD Jul 2021 #48
I worried Republicans would watch "The Handmaid's Tale" and make notes for future policies tclambert Jul 2021 #53
They didn't have to read or see it... uriel1972 Jul 2021 #54
In Texas every once-was pregnant woman will have had a "miscarriage"... sanatanadharma Jul 2021 #55
Evangelical mega-churches are BIG bidnees in Texas and.... KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2021 #56

no_hypocrisy

(46,067 posts)
1. If Texas hasn't already, I can see the ban of home pregnancy tests, so
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 07:08 AM
Jul 2021

women will be forced to go to medical clinics and/or doctors to confirm a pregnancy which will be recorded and her name sent to the State.

BTW, how does that $10K bounty work anyway? If you can get an abortion up to 6 weeks, then according to this new law, you can have it. Why would a third party collect the reward money? If you're 6+ weeks, wouldn't it be unlawful for a medical facility to perform an abortion, so why pay $10K? Is the $10K for third party who turns in a pregnant women attempting to leave the state with an embryo/fetus that obviously belongs to Texas, not the woman?

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
10. Many women 6 weeks pregnant do not know it. This law of course hits poor women the hardest
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 07:51 AM
Jul 2021

... women of colour more than not, women who do not have much access to health care or money for it and are less likely to know being pregnant.

FakeNoose

(32,620 posts)
11. Home pregnancy tests can still be mail ordered from out of state
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 07:54 AM
Jul 2021

But I agree with you that $10K bounty is asking for trouble. All sorts of ugliness is going to ensue, including blackmail and other forms of coercion.

no_hypocrisy

(46,067 posts)
15. How this "law" can play out:
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 08:24 AM
Jul 2021

You're 16. You're knocked up. Nobody knows but your home pregnancy test. You tell a girlfriend who can't keep a secret. She tells another who wants that $10K. You're turned into the authorities. You have the baby and they have the $10K.

FakeNoose

(32,620 posts)
23. Sure, and what about teenage boys who knock their girlfriends up?
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 08:46 AM
Jul 2021

Turn in the girlfriend and get a pretty nice payday.

This bounty law is a disaster in the making.

no_hypocrisy

(46,067 posts)
26. Beg to differ: unless you're claiming you're not the father, you get $10K but
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 09:00 AM
Jul 2021

end up with child support.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
51. I was SO happy when June started to fight back.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 07:37 PM
Jul 2021

We all may be called upon to find a little “June” in each of us at some point.

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
5. If were going with your body, but NOT your choice, the same 10 large
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 07:26 AM
Jul 2021

Should apply to reporting your neighbors who wont go get their fucking covid shots. Because fuck these people, that's why.

Yes, your honor, I'd like you to order the state to give me my 100k, since all 10 of my immediate coworkers are abject morons.

bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
7. Espionage in the Neighborhood
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 07:45 AM
Jul 2021

Sure-lock homes, procreation detective at your service

When will they focus on men? Because, if men don't put it in the right place, you know, it's sort of an aborted path, isn't it?

COL Mustard

(5,896 posts)
21. They Want Out, Let 'Em Go
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 08:38 AM
Jul 2021

But we take all Federal property with us or demand compensation. Take out all the Military bases and assets, and all the National Guard equipment, make them pay for all Federal buildings, hey...what could go wrong?

I'm serious.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
9. White Texas males claim "my body my choice" for not vaxing, but won't let women choose
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 07:49 AM
Jul 2021

They have it backwards. Vaccinating is about the "body politic" -- the public body, public health. Not so much a personal choice as a public choice.

Pregnancy is about one person's body, the woman's body. Her choice.

But Texas RepuliQons are science-hating bigots.

Best_man23

(4,897 posts)
12. I've said that Gilead will become a reality
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 08:01 AM
Jul 2021

If people choose to do or say nothing. This is what the Republicants and the GQP want to bring to America.

no_hypocrisy

(46,067 posts)
16. Of COURSE your neighbors will turn you in.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 08:27 AM
Jul 2021

I've known neighbors who called the Police regarding other neighbors having marital arguments and the results have been the imposition of restraining orders when there was no violence, no fear, no nothing. (The fighting couples were doing just that - fighting.) Imagine Gladys Kravitz (Bewitched) filling up her days calling in for pregnant neighbors and going "Ca-Ching!" as she hangs up.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
18. Handmaid's Tale comes to real life. I watched the first season of Handmaid's Tale
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 08:28 AM
Jul 2021

and was so disgusted I couldn’t watch the other seasons. I sis, however, mention to my wife and 2 adult daughters that the story is really not that far fetched. My wife thought I was being ridiculous but it looks like Republican run states are seriously trying to return to a time when women have no rights. I went to law school in Texas in the 80’s and loved it but these Christian fascists were nit the dominate force.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,316 posts)
22. It's not as simple as calling the cops, amazingly. The person reporting the abortion has to file
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 08:39 AM
Jul 2021

suit against the clinic, the doctor or the person getting the abortion. It's not nearly as easy as calling the cops, but what it does to is establish a disturbing precedent by divesting local authorities of their law-enforcement duties and leaving it to individuals. It's ugly, and it's got wider implications than just abortion access.

LymphocyteLover

(5,641 posts)
24. the cruelty is unfathomable
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 08:58 AM
Jul 2021

It's just astounding any lawmaker could pass this evil thing, but they are Republicans after all.

AZ8theist

(5,452 posts)
25. Flood the courts with accusations that each Repuke politicians wife.....
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 08:58 AM
Jul 2021

....is "suspected" of having an abortion.

Problem solved.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,316 posts)
31. The "accusation" comes in the form of a lawsuit. If you flood the court with lawsuits against
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 09:39 AM
Jul 2021

Republicans' wives, you'll probably end up with a frivolous lawsuit issue. The whole setup is diabolical.

AZ8theist

(5,452 posts)
37. Probably...but...
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 11:19 AM
Jul 2021

If enough Repukes find themselves defending their wives in court, maybe they will realize this NAZI law has backfired.

lindysalsagal

(20,648 posts)
40. Where do I donate?
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 01:46 PM
Jul 2021

I'm serious. This will become a funding war. On both sides. This will finally activate the silent bystanders to activate anti-church pacs. Freedom From Religion might lead the way.

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
32. I keep replaying the season 4 finale over in my mind.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 09:39 AM
Jul 2021

When they make our oppression legal, they break the social contract. Any degree of oppression is an attack. They've shown their hearts and minds, no point in trying to reason with them.

SCantiGOP

(13,868 posts)
38. The courts will throw this law out, but
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 01:31 PM
Jul 2021

If it did go into effect, I would imagine major boycotts and sanctions against Texas
from citizens and companies.

Bettie

(16,086 posts)
43. So, does this mean if you leave the state to have
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 02:29 PM
Jul 2021

an abortion, they can turn you in?

WTF is wrong....never mind. Assholes who think they need to punish women for having sex.

electric_blue68

(14,862 posts)
44. Well, this is hideous, and terrifying!
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 02:58 PM
Jul 2021

Having watched THT (and read the book in the '80s)...

My mind wants to reject this!

Hopefully the courts....
Boycotts... Etc




Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
46. One way this might play out...
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 03:32 PM
Jul 2021

1. Law goes into effect
2. National, well funded Christian group on the Gov's speed dial immediately files a claim against a clinic
3. ACLU takes them to court, hold gets put on enforcement of the law
4. Bounty gets paid to Christian group helping to fund their court fight, paid by taxpayers.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
47. The claims of reward aren't quite accurate.
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 03:39 PM
Jul 2021

The offer as I understand it is that they receive the $10,000 if they report and successfully bring about a suit. It’s a huge risk for an individual, but I can easily imagine anti-abortion organizations backing people who do. It’s horrific.

musette_sf

(10,200 posts)
52. Those organizations
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 08:16 PM
Jul 2021

have very deep pockets and are very stealthily funded. They will be quite willing to spend much, much more than $10K to get an actual bounty successfully paid out. The fodder for their propaganda hate sites and social media accounts will be worth (to them) whatever they have to pay to prop up a “successful” bounty payment.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
48. Texas politicians make a hard rightward push
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 03:39 PM
Jul 2021

In a state that is rapidly turning purple is....interesting....to say the least.

Texas is just California but 30ish years behind. 30 years from now a republican being elected statewide in Texas will be unimaginable. Moves like this will speed that up as new arrivals and suburban voters will further revolt. Republicans can't win in places like this by purely appealing to rural voters. We already see that happening in Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, Virginia, and Colorado. North Carolia and Texas are ahead on that list

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
53. I worried Republicans would watch "The Handmaid's Tale" and make notes for future policies
Wed Jul 14, 2021, 09:01 PM
Jul 2021

they wanted to implement. I have the same worry about "The Purge" movies.

sanatanadharma

(3,695 posts)
55. In Texas every once-was pregnant woman will have had a "miscarriage"...
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 08:32 AM
Jul 2021

Hence forward, in Texas every once-was pregnant woman will have had a miscarriage and (with HIPPA) it can't be proved otherwise.
Texas will be known as an unsafe state with an unexplained high incidence of miscarriage.

This law is all hat and no cattle because no one except the women and the medical professionals can know an abortion occurred.
Without valid knowledge, legally obtained, who can petition the courts without admitting a crime?

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
56. Evangelical mega-churches are BIG bidnees in Texas and....
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 08:52 AM
Jul 2021

they most likely wrote and fueled this law through the legislature. They will turn it into their new Crusade.

Abbott is just keeping the right-wing Christian contributions flowing to GOP coffers.....

As others have said, this law is unlikely to pass muster in the courts but the GOP does not care. They've scored their points with all the Rethug minions and will get their votes on election day.

KY......

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