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Author | Time | Post |
 Vaccinated America Has Had Enough (Original post) |
babylonsister | Jul 2021 | OP |
| CrackityJones75 | Jul 2021 | #1 | |
| wryter2000 | Jul 2021 | #2 | |
| skylucy | Jul 2021 | #3 | |
| rickyhall | Jul 2021 | #4 | |
| Rebl2 | Jul 2021 | #46 | |
| DBoon | Jul 2021 | #5 | |
| lagomorph777 | Jul 2021 | #7 | |
| underpants | Jul 2021 | #6 | |
| ms liberty | Jul 2021 | #8 | |
| dalton99a | Jul 2021 | #9 | |
| brewens | Jul 2021 | #10 | |
| Nululu | Jul 2021 | #24 | |
| hvn_nbr_2 | Jul 2021 | #11 | |
| wnylib | Jul 2021 | #15 | |
| Tadpole Raisin | Jul 2021 | #39 | |
| sinkingfeeling | Jul 2021 | #12 | |
| zipplewrath | Jul 2021 | #13 | |
| wnylib | Jul 2021 | #16 | |
| jmowreader | Jul 2021 | #66 | |
| TxGuitar | Jul 2021 | #14 | |
| wnylib | Jul 2021 | #17 | |
| TxGuitar | Jul 2021 | #25 | |
| tavernier | Jul 2021 | #26 | |
| wnylib | Jul 2021 | #28 | |
| phylny | Jul 2021 | #30 | |
| wnylib | Jul 2021 | #35 | |
| MustLoveBeagles | Jul 2021 | #67 | |
| phylny | Jul 2021 | #69 | |
| MustLoveBeagles | Jul 2021 | #74 | |
| Peppertoo | Jul 2021 | #63 | |
| wnylib | Jul 2021 | #65 | |
| pazzyanne | Jul 2021 | #41 | |
| uponit7771 | Jul 2021 | #58 | |
| IronLionZion | Jul 2021 | #18 | |
| Texaswitchy | Jul 2021 | #19 | |
| rdking647 | Jul 2021 | #20 | |
| amuse bouche | Jul 2021 | #21 | |
| IronLionZion | Jul 2021 | #22 | |
| cherish44 | Jul 2021 | #23 | |
| phylny | Jul 2021 | #31 | |
| AngryOldDem | Jul 2021 | #33 | |
| Hortensis | Jul 2021 | #27 | |
| Politicub | Jul 2021 | #29 | |
| AngryOldDem | Jul 2021 | #32 | |
| area51 | Jul 2021 | #36 | |
| LiberatedUSA | Jul 2021 | #70 | |
| dsc | Jul 2021 | #34 | |
| Peppertoo | Jul 2021 | #64 | |
| twodogsbarking | Jul 2021 | #37 | |
| MustLoveBeagles | Jul 2021 | #68 | |
| ancianita | Jul 2021 | #38 | |
| leftstreet | Jul 2021 | #43 | |
| BumRushDaShow | Jul 2021 | #51 | |
| ancianita | Jul 2021 | #52 | |
| BumRushDaShow | Jul 2021 | #53 | |
| ancianita | Jul 2021 | #55 | |
| BumRushDaShow | Jul 2021 | #56 | |
| spanone | Jul 2021 | #40 | |
| BlueWavePsych | Jul 2021 | #42 | |
| leftstreet | Jul 2021 | #44 | |
| madville | Jul 2021 | #60 | |
| lark | Jul 2021 | #45 | |
| ancianita | Jul 2021 | #57 | |
| forthemiddle | Jul 2021 | #47 | |
| madville | Jul 2021 | #61 | |
| Marcuse | Jul 2021 | #48 | |
| Marcuse | Jul 2021 | #49 | |
| mgardener | Jul 2021 | #50 | |
| Yavin4 | Jul 2021 | #54 | |
| KentuckyWoman | Jul 2021 | #59 | |
| boston bean | Jul 2021 | #73 | |
| Peppertoo | Jul 2021 | #62 | |
| Name removed | Jul 2021 | #71 | |
| Jim G. | Jul 2021 | #72 |
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 01:30 PM
CrackityJones75 (2,403 posts)
1. Thank you!
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 01:31 PM
wryter2000 (44,919 posts)
2. Yes, I've had enough. But what can I do? N/t
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 01:36 PM
3. Gotta agree with this. I am sick of willfully stupid people playing games with the health of the
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 01:40 PM
4. France and Italy seem to have. If this had been handled properly it might have been over by now.
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 01:40 PM
DBoon (20,850 posts)
5. They allow theselves to be manipulated
Response to DBoon (Reply #5)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 01:42 PM
7. Exactly. They listen to hateful garbage because they like hateful garbage.
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 01:42 PM
underpants (175,301 posts)
6. Rich Eisen (sports radio) was on AC360 last night and he came close
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 01:45 PM
ms liberty (7,481 posts)
8. This. n/t
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 01:51 PM
dalton99a (74,349 posts)
9. The non-compliant people are holding everyone hostage
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 01:55 PM
10. They will risk death rather than eat the kind of shit it takes to back down, admit they are idiots,
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and get the vaccine like they were told to. My pointing that out on FB may not have been helpful.
 Kinda started a mini-shitsorm among my friends. I couldn't help it. I'll try not to do it again. I know it only makes them behave more childishly. |
Response to brewens (Reply #10)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 04:23 PM
24. They risk death to their & other's children.
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 02:13 PM
11. Unvaxxed going out in public is equivalent to drunk driving.
Response to hvn_nbr_2 (Reply #11)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 03:10 PM
wnylib (17,291 posts)
15. For sure. Nobody in my community
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 02:15 PM
sinkingfeeling (47,587 posts)
12. Yes, I have. Too bad we don't follow France and Italy and
Response to zipplewrath (Reply #13)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 03:18 PM
wnylib (17,291 posts)
16. I like the visual. It might make
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 02:57 PM
TxGuitar (3,772 posts)
14. I'm not wearing a mask
Response to TxGuitar (Reply #14)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 03:20 PM
wnylib (17,291 posts)
17. Any particular reason?
Response to wnylib (Reply #17)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 04:24 PM
TxGuitar (3,772 posts)
25. I'm vaccinated.
Response to TxGuitar (Reply #25)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 04:29 PM
tavernier (11,318 posts)
26. I will but not because of Covid.
Response to TxGuitar (Reply #25)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 06:13 PM
wnylib (17,291 posts)
28. I am fully vaccinated, but I wear a mask
Response to wnylib (Reply #28)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 06:17 PM
phylny (7,980 posts)
30. Fully vaccinated but I wear a mask because I live
Response to phylny (Reply #30)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 06:59 PM
wnylib (17,291 posts)
35. I live in a community where 52% of eligible people
Response to phylny (Reply #30)
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 01:40 AM
MustLoveBeagles (10,784 posts)
67. Congratulations on the new grandbaby
Sorry you live amongst idiots.  |
Response to MustLoveBeagles (Reply #67)
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 06:16 AM
phylny (7,980 posts)
69. Thank you and me too sorry about the idiots.
Response to phylny (Reply #69)
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 01:29 PM
MustLoveBeagles (10,784 posts)
74. Congrats on the negative tests
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Response to wnylib (Reply #28)
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 12:24 AM
63. Those are good reasons to continue to wear a mask, but
Response to Peppertoo (Reply #63)
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 01:05 AM
wnylib (17,291 posts)
65. I don't expect them to follow suit, but
Response to TxGuitar (Reply #25)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:53 AM
pazzyanne (5,943 posts)
41. I'm a vaccinated, seriously immuno-compromised person.
Response to TxGuitar (Reply #25)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:34 PM
uponit7771 (88,616 posts)
58. +1, I'm not going to wear an extra seatbelt cause someone else chooses not to. The consequences
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 03:41 PM
IronLionZion (42,003 posts)
18. France is doing it right
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 03:42 PM
19. The same fools who voted for Trump.
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 04:03 PM
21. We have to start treating the unvaccinated as criminals
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That's what they are
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 04:03 PM
IronLionZion (42,003 posts)
22. Atlantic (Paywall) link to Frum's full piece for those with access
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 04:07 PM
23. I'm vaccinated and was directly exposed to someone with COVID
Response to cherish44 (Reply #23)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 06:18 PM
phylny (7,980 posts)
31. Thank you for sharing that story! n/t
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 04:32 PM
Hortensis (55,646 posts)
27. Yes, more than enough. Long ago. Zero tolerance.
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Fri Jul 23, 2021, 06:58 PM
dsc (51,664 posts)
34. To me there are two sets of people with different level of culpability
Response to dsc (Reply #34)
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 12:26 AM
64. Tucker Carlson and his fellow travelers are evil people.
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:34 AM
37. When I am going into a store I put my mask on.
Response to twodogsbarking (Reply #37)
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 01:45 AM
MustLoveBeagles (10,784 posts)
68. That's where I'm at
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:37 AM
ancianita (30,846 posts)
38. Okay, but what does "we've had enough" translate into. Public arena fighting?
Response to ancianita (Reply #38)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 02:10 PM
BumRushDaShow (109,811 posts)
51. Actually re: this--
Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #51)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 04:07 PM
ancianita (30,846 posts)
52. Thanks for your post.
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Fine. I'm wrong on the time, thinking it would be delayed for months, not for years. It's been months since I read about the authorization process.
The FDA decision was 17-4, the gold standard of data that would finally be obtained, weighed against the hospitalization and death numbers. As I read Jennifer Doudna's biography this past January, I was struck by her saying that speed and efficiency can now be improved on RNA vaccine development and were among her next work goals in having RNA vaccines obtainable worldwide. Beyond the speed of the authorization process, the whole idea that the public not be required to take a vaccine with 90%+ effectiveness in a highly contagious pandemic has been the core issue of the right wing's spread of distrust about government, extended to science. I know the Defense Production Act was invoked. I get your point about the difference between mass production of objects and biologics. The revealed problems of mixups, contract violations, distribution systems definitely seemed worse for biologics, and as I recall, so were supply chains. Supply chains still are the problem. 
Now that we have surplus vaccines, I get word from my Australia family that Australia's vaccine shortage could use some of our help. Have we structurally improved enough to get sufficient help to our allies? I appreciate your effortful explanations. Given how big our nation is, along with the timeline and scale of its solutions for its problems, I don't want to get hyperbolic. In the spirit of the idea of how a vaccinated nation has had enough, if I want improvement, it's as much from a desire for updated information as from impatience with the unvaccinated. Psaki's excellent daily pressers still can't be expected to cover everything. Democrats are generally good communicators, so it's fair to expect to hear more regularly and directly (not just when invited on a news show), from Biden's covid coordination team, get information on what's been accomplished in manufacturing, distribution, stockpiling, and helping our allies, so that the public knows that good governance is larger than a president, that good governance learns and communicates that info in a regular way that shows it's still hitting the ground running. |
Response to ancianita (Reply #52)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 05:14 PM
BumRushDaShow (109,811 posts)
53. Let me just say this and hopefully it will make sense
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It may sound simple to say - "well just box up our vaccines and ship them to another country".
What this does is ignore the fact that many countries, like ours, have some equivalent version of the FDA, which reviews and designates which vaccines are approved for use in that country. So for example here in the U.S., we have 3 vaccines that have been given an EUA -
However Australia has these approved - https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/getting-vaccinated-for-covid-19/which-covid-19-vaccine-will-i-receive#covid19-vaccines-approved-for-use-in-australia
In fact, most of Europe and Canada has been using AstraZeneca's vaccine as their primary. The U.S. has NOT approved AstraZeneca for use here and those countries have NOT approved Moderna or Janssen for use there. However we have batches of AstraZeneca's (I think they were looking at seeking approval and are running into a "crowded market" now), and there was discussion and expectation to start sending up to 60 million doses overseas and I believe per this, that 20 million were going in the first shipment - https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/biden-announce-us-will-send-20-mln-vaccines-abroad-by-end-june-2021-05-17/ However, a decision was made to not send any additional AstraZeneca due to... you guessed it... the problems at Emergent - https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/21/biden-astrazeneca-vaccine-donation-scrapped-495342 But we are/will be sending the excess of our others (e.g., the Pfizer) that is approved in many of those other countries. And note that China also has their vaccine (Sinovac, which is being used in places like Thailand, etc) as well as Russia, and it's possible that they are also sending around to countries in their spheres of influence. In fact, I just found this - https://fortune.com/2021/07/16/china-mrna-vaccine-pfizer-biontech-fosun-doses/ where China has been purposefully avoiding the mRNA vaccines but has softened recently, and is working with BioNTech (who Pfizer works with for their vaccine) to eventually approve it there. We also might have batches of Novavax (which is also NOT approved here YET but they are looking to get it later this year - again in a now "crowded" market). They have been trialing it here and the UK - https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/us-clinical-trial-results-show-novavax-vaccine-safe-prevents-covid-19 as well as in Mexico - https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/14/health/novavax-covid-19-vaccine-us-phase-3-trial-study/index.html Of course all of this is not sexy enough for the mainstream media to report on (beyond some blips) because continuing to breathlessly follow TFG and his loons around is more "exciting" and "entertaining" than reporting on anything positive that the Biden Administration is doing. Bottom line is that other than logistics, the "behind the scenes" discussions and coordination with other world governments have to happen because certain vaccines that might be approved here are NOT approved for use in those other countries, and vice versa. So there are a lot of moving parts that go beyond just shoving crates into a plane and shipping. 
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #53)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 06:55 PM
ancianita (30,846 posts)
55. I hear you. Of course you make total sense.
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Sure, global coordinations take a lot of time and moving parts, as you summarize and link so well (Add to rising temperatures ahead and consistent refrigeration).
What you describe is part of what the public needs to keep apprised of, and imo, is capable of making sense of. Media's portrayal of Americans by presenting its worst, underestimates the hunger the rest of the public has for well presented systems information -- the popularity of PBS' Frontline series is one example. No matter what corruption and political drama media is habituated to serving up, my neighbors and even total strangers, when we just talk about the weather here in Florida, say they feel no respite coming from the realities of climate, health and quality of life. They depend on local news, but still feeling sidelined and shortchanged by lack of information. They should, because those two groups won't err on the side of telling the truth about the problems we face; they err on the side of distracting stories. CSPAN, fine as far as it goes, is not enough. Just put more dependably available information on an Environment Channel, a Climate Channel, a Public Health Channel, channels that cross reference each other, give voice to experts put front and center on climate and public health systems, people with families like the rest of us, who would equip the public with powerful information and reasons to move toward national project goals -- who all to contact, where all to sign up and where all to show up -- make them join causes for their grandchildren's future. I always appreciate your perspective and presentations of information that media won't touch. It's time they consulted you. |
Response to ancianita (Reply #55)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:00 PM
BumRushDaShow (109,811 posts)
56. I agree 100%
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and particularly about the lack of any meaningful discussion of science or climate or health etc. The cable channels like Discovery or The Learning Channel (later called "TLC" ) used to generally run exactly that type of stuff but then they keep getting sold in bundles and whoever buys them often tries to put low cost and what they think is "high profit" long-form "reality show" fluff on them that is often completely opposite of what the purpose of the channel was supposed to be geared to.
I did recently find out that there is a "Science Channel" but that is also part of the Discovery/TLC brand and they apparently cross-promote, but they have had some interesting programming. Sometimes BBC will actually do that type of programming and PBS has always been a stalwart despite all the efforts to kill it right off by cutting their funding. NatGeo probably has some of that type of programming - particularly related to climate and impact on humans, animals, and plants (I have subbed to their magazine, through my parents, since the '60s and still get it). The magazine has featured climate and health (including the viruses like COVID-19) and I expect the cable channel does too. As a CSPAN junkie, the one that really veers off into some good topics is CSPAN3 since they are free for general programming if/when Congress is in session, and are taking up CSPAN and CSPAN2 for the live broadcasts of the floor action. CSPAN3 will often broadcast panel discussions on those various subjects by various foundations and the recordings can sometimes be found on Youtube - either uploaded individually or by CSPAN. But believe it or not, the past year I have found myself doing a lot more researching and reading and have barely turned the TV on at all. I literally do use the internet as one big "library" and have found all kinds of great discussions of various topics. 
It's good to see you still fighting the good fight because I know it can be exhausting.  |
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:41 AM
spanone (133,351 posts)
40. K&R
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 10:02 AM
42. POX News should be sued to bankruptcy
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Response to leftstreet (Reply #44)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:47 PM
60. Exactly, it's not helping minorities
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 10:18 AM
lark (22,197 posts)
45. If I ran a country, I'd be Macron right now.
Response to lark (Reply #45)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:32 PM
ancianita (30,846 posts)
57. I like the way you think.
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 10:55 AM
47. There is also a large amount of Blue America that won't get vaccinated
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 11:02 AM
Marcuse (6,568 posts)
48. Second Amendment? Stand your ground?
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Response to Marcuse (Reply #48)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 11:04 AM
Marcuse (6,568 posts)
49. My bad. I misread as "an innovative injectable delivery system".
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 12:05 PM
50. Republicans draw a line in the sand
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 06:02 PM
Yavin4 (34,053 posts)
54. For the umpteenth millionth time, the FDA needs to sign off on full approval of the vaccines.
Response to babylonsister (Original post)
Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:45 PM
KentuckyWoman (6,124 posts)
59. I know 2 types of unvaxxed
Response to KentuckyWoman (Reply #59)
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 09:29 AM
boston bean (35,339 posts)
73. The greenie health nuts. Nothing foreign goes into my beautiful body people.
Response to Name removed (Reply #71)
Sun Jul 25, 2021, 09:25 AM
Jim G. (14,785 posts)
72. LOL!
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I'm sorry your therapy didn't work out..
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