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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 07:59 PM

Tomconroy (6,683 posts)

I think vaccinations should be mandatory

I don't agree with mask mandates, but the solution is obvious. Every employer should require them. Every venue should require proof of vaccination. WWII could do mandatory rationing. The casualties are about the same.
Every where you damn go you have to carry your vax card like a driver's licence. The damn things should have been smaller to fit into your wallet.

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25 replies	Author	Time	Post
I think vaccinations should be mandatory (Original post)	Tomconroy	Jul 2021	OP
I agree	LetMyPeopleVote	Jul 2021	#1
Agree with you	I_UndergroundPanther	Jul 2021	#2
I think monthly stimulus payments should be mandatory	leftstreet	Jul 2021	#3
We must have mask mandates	MontanaMama	Jul 2021	#4
I agree. If they aren't willing to mandate vaccines, they need to mandate masks	liberal_mama	Jul 2021	#14
Interesting. Why do you agree with vaccine mandates	moonscape	Jul 2021	#5
I hate masks. The Covid seemed to spread even while we were	Tomconroy	Jul 2021	#7
Properly fitted cloth masks, worn consistently, are about as effective as the J&J vaccine.	Ms. Toad	Jul 2021	#9
Ah, there you are. Does the CDC have the power	Tomconroy	Jul 2021	#10
I posted a link farther down thread -	Ms. Toad	Jul 2021	#13
Vaccination should certainly be mandatory for health care workers,	Cairycat	Jul 2021	#6
I can't believe the CDC can't do this.	Tomconroy	Jul 2021	#8
Here's some info . . .	Ms. Toad	Jul 2021	#12
Insurance companies should increase rates	Tomconroy	Jul 2021	#11
I got a vaccine card holder	MiniMe	Jul 2021	#15
I believe the US has laws mandating health requirements with Hansen's Disease (leprosy)	Arazi	Jul 2021	#16
Perhaps the Federal government could make it a requirement of their own employees	MichMan	Jul 2021	#17
African Americans and Hispanics, in that order, have the	kelly1mm	Jul 2021	#18
Need full FDA approval of the vaccines first.	Yavin4	Jul 2021	#19
Or recent test results, I don't wear two seatbelts for drivers who won't take precautions	uponit7771	Jul 2021	#20
This message was self-deleted by its author	YoshidaYui	Jul 2021	#21
Plain and ordinary masks just don't cut it	YoshidaYui	Jul 2021	#22
Not until the FDA approves them.	marie999	Jul 2021	#23
They can always sue. Winning is something else.	Tomconroy	Jul 2021	#25
On one hand I agree, on the other I also support self-determination of one's body	SYFROYH	Jul 2021	#24

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:08 PM

LetMyPeopleVote (130,138 posts)

1. I agree

I have a feeling that a number of employers will be requiring vaccinations

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:18 PM

I_UndergroundPanther (11,840 posts)

2. Agree with you

And yeah vax cards needed to be wallet sized. Don't know why they are so big.

Also they should be harder to reproduce so fake vax cards aren't around and the card should link to a database to prove one is vaccinated and up to date.

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:21 PM

leftstreet (34,966 posts)

3. I think monthly stimulus payments should be mandatory

but, yeah, that probably won't happen either

No politician under the sun is going to touch mandatory vaccinations

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:25 PM

MontanaMama (22,013 posts)

4. We must have mask mandates

if vaccines aren’t mandatory.

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:28 PM

liberal_mama (1,338 posts)

14. I agree. If they aren't willing to mandate vaccines, they need to mandate masks

The only ones still wearing masks are vaccinated people and now we have another surge.

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:28 PM

moonscape (4,461 posts)

5. Interesting. Why do you agree with vaccine mandates

but not mask ones?

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:42 PM

Tomconroy (6,683 posts)

7. I hate masks. The Covid seemed to spread even while we were

Wearing them. I'm not up to date on the studies of how effective they are. But we know the vaccines work.

somewhere in the federal statutes there is an argument to be made for the federal government to require vaccinations. After all the CDC thought they could stop evictions. This is much less of a stretch.

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:11 PM

Ms. Toad (31,778 posts)

9. Properly fitted cloth masks, worn consistently, are about as effective as the J&J vaccine.

N95 are more effective.

And the first major turn-down coincided with the implementation of mask mandates. You can easily confirm this by comparing dates states implemented mandates and the state curve 2-3 weeks after that mandate.

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:13 PM

Tomconroy (6,683 posts)

10. Ah, there you are. Does the CDC have the power

To impose a vaccine mandate?

Needed edit.

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:27 PM

Ms. Toad (31,778 posts)

13. I posted a link farther down thread -

My brain power is limited at the moment (so far today I've had to play with obscure provisions related to trusts, future interests, civil procedure, torts, and wills), but I found an analysis of the issue (I've only skimmed it).

Here's the link (since Istill have the page open): https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46745

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 08:31 PM

Cairycat (1,592 posts)

6. Vaccination should certainly be mandatory for health care workers,

in education, retail - any job where you're in contact with vulnerable people and/or the general public. And the military! Don't want my tax dollars paying for long haulers.

We might even be able to reach herd immunity if employers would put the screws to people and make them choose between jobs or jabs.

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:07 PM

Tomconroy (6,683 posts)

8. I can't believe the CDC can't do this.

I'm just a retired mouthpiece. Better lawyers could explain it. Ms. Toad, where are you?

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:24 PM

Ms. Toad (31,778 posts)

12. Here's some info . . .

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46745

The relevant portion starts on P5. (I haven't hada chance to read it - I've got~120 students taking the bar exam on Tuesday and Wednesday who are demandng most of my brainpower). But a quick skim suggests there is a bit more wiggle room than I would have expected.)

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 09:15 PM

Tomconroy (6,683 posts)

11. Insurance companies should increase rates

Substantially for the unvaccinated. Health insurance, life insurance? Jack up the rates! We need to go on a war time program.

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 10:22 PM

MiniMe (21,196 posts)

15. I got a vaccine card holder

https://smile.amazon.com/Protector-Immunization-Vaccination-Waterproof-Resealable/dp/B09265FQD2/ref=sxin_11_pa_sp_search_thematic_sspa?crid=3QVPLORN6CN5N&cv_ct_cx=vaccine+card+protector+waterproof&dchild=1&keywords=vaccine+card+protector+waterproof&pd_rd_i=B09265FQD2&pd_rd_r=9aae4dfc-c478-4db2-a767-59f29e8cff2c&pd_rd_w=CPhx8&pd_rd_wg=dHArO&pf_rd_p=90d27d6c-a6cb-4686-bf06-72209ebcbf90&pf_rd_r=DEG6E4W6WGYBX4EW9HB8&qid=1627179406&sprefix=vaccine+card%2Caps%2C204&sr=1-1-5d7e86b8-8912-4bb7-bfd4-2ae6197f61e9-spons&psc=1

Hope that will show up, I just did a search on vaccine card holder on Amazon. It comes with a lanyard. When I wear it out, people always ask where I got it from.

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 10:34 PM

Arazi (5,763 posts)

16. I believe the US has laws mandating health requirements with Hansen's Disease (leprosy)

Probably can find (fairly recent) case law with TB and maybe even bubonic plague.

I think governors, and perhaps federally from Biden, have some solid legal footing to begin some enforcement on public safety grounds

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 11:14 PM

MichMan (9,459 posts)

17. Perhaps the Federal government could make it a requirement of their own employees

Yet, amazingly, they have refused to do so.

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 11:19 PM

kelly1mm (4,468 posts)

18. African Americans and Hispanics, in that order, have the

Lowest vaccination rates of any ethnic group in the United States. Perhaps we should not mandate things that will further marginalize those groups?

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Sat Jul 24, 2021, 11:33 PM

Yavin4 (34,250 posts)

19. Need full FDA approval of the vaccines first.

If there was approval, we could move forward with mandatory vaccines. Starting with public employees and the military which would then motivate private employers who have to cover their employees' health insurance costs.

But, it all starts with the FDA.

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Sun Jul 25, 2021, 06:36 AM

uponit7771 (88,969 posts)

20. Or recent test results, I don't wear two seatbelts for drivers who won't take precautions

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Sun Jul 25, 2021, 07:50 AM

YoshidaYui (40,707 posts)

22. Plain and ordinary masks just don't cut it

One right now can you go on amazon.com and find a myriad of different kinds of masks. There are sports team masks, lifestyle masks, masks that promote TV and movies, I have a ton of different kinds and styles of masks. I found one that fits me very well. I have met more stoners wearing this mask. People walking by going “Right on! “ And you protect yourself and others. How fun is this?

Link to tweet

?s=21

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Sun Jul 25, 2021, 07:56 AM

marie999 (3,334 posts)

23. Not until the FDA approves them.

A question for a lawyer. If a company mandates a vaccine that is not FDA approved and a worker gets sick from it can the worker sue the company?

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Sun Jul 25, 2021, 11:41 AM

Tomconroy (6,683 posts)

25. They can always sue. Winning is something else.

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Sun Jul 25, 2021, 08:07 AM

SYFROYH (33,521 posts)

24. On one hand I agree, on the other I also support self-determination of one's body

Vaccines are intrusive whereas masks are not.

Don't get me wrong, I think 90% of the population should be vaccinated, but I'm torn between two principles I hold dear.

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