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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,111 posts)
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 02:30 PM Jul 2021

As Virus Cases Rise, Another Contagion Spreads Among the Vaccinated: Anger

As coronavirus cases resurge across the country, many inoculated Americans are losing patience with vaccine holdouts who, they say, are neglecting a civic duty or clinging to conspiracy theories and misinformation even as new patients arrive in emergency rooms and the nation renews mask advisories.

The country seemed to be exiting the pandemic; barely a month ago, a sense of celebration was palpable. Now many of the vaccinated fear for their unvaccinated children and worry that they are at risk themselves for breakthrough infections. Rising case rates are upending plans for school and workplace reopenings, and threatening another wave of infections that may overwhelm hospitals in many communities.

“It’s like the sun has come up in the morning and everyone is arguing about it,” said Jim Taylor, 66, a retired civil servant in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, a state in which fewer than half of adults are fully vaccinated.

“The virus is here and it’s killing people, and we have a time-tested way to stop it — and we won’t do it. It’s an outrage.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/virus-cases-rise-another-contagion-121658945.html

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As Virus Cases Rise, Another Contagion Spreads Among the Vaccinated: Anger (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2021 OP
When vaccinated people's children start dying from COVID en masse, there is going to be violence. roamer65 Jul 2021 #1
During a national crisis, TFG followers not only refused to help the rest of us, they sabotaged brewens Jul 2021 #2
Yup! They don't have to take the vaccine but they have no right to infect others. They can die .. Botany Jul 2021 #3
Is Vaxed America Running Out of Patience? LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2021 #4
Every death after March 2021 is on the heads of anti-vaxxers and TFG's supporters NightWatcher Jul 2021 #5
A novel thought.. SayitAintSo Jul 2021 #6
I have been saying much of the same thing since the CDC statements on (un)masking went out. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #17
I have not quit wearing a mask after my vaccines, I still social distance. 2Gingersnaps Jul 2021 #21
Describe any facet of this "multi-pronged approach... ret5hd Jul 2021 #25
Treatment options #1 SayitAintSo Jul 2021 #43
Oohhh...this quack: ret5hd Jul 2021 #44
Or this one.. SayitAintSo Jul 2021 #45
Wait. We are angry with people who don't trust the experts... vanlassie Jul 2021 #26
"Do not have to wear" is not the same as "should not wear" Salviati Jul 2021 #31
But the suggestion was that the vaccinated vanlassie Jul 2021 #36
The Biden administration is pursuing best science. mjvpi Jul 2021 #30
Unlikely that the vaccinated would incubate new variants. myccrider Jul 2021 #42
Maybe this helps... SayitAintSo Jul 2021 #46
Damn right, we're tired of this shit and it will still be on our minds come next election. rickyhall Jul 2021 #7
Exactly. Anger motivates voters. Ask any GOP strategist. Midnight Writer Jul 2021 #19
Traitor Greene will be re-elected in a landslide. AZ8theist Jul 2021 #23
Vaxxed probably also mad learning about breakthroughs leftstreet Jul 2021 #8
I'm pretty pissed about it. My family went for over a year without celebrating birthdays and Arkansas Granny Jul 2021 #9
Above the fold on homegirl Jul 2021 #18
I remember polio and went to school with a couple of kids that had survived. Arkansas Granny Jul 2021 #34
Damn right I'm pissed off! Initech Jul 2021 #10
What would FDR do? radius777 Jul 2021 #11
Anti-vaccers are entitled to nothing but disdain. Paladin Jul 2021 #12
+1 ffr Jul 2021 #14
It's a tiny tiny needle! I could barely feel it at all! lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #29
I would like to see unvaccinated people barred from all public spaces SoonerPride Jul 2021 #13
Here's my input: RainCaster Jul 2021 #15
U.S. Confirmed Cases: 34,256,255 -- U.S. Deaths: 605,780 Larissa Jul 2021 #16
have to read this later. thanks for posting nt orleans Jul 2021 #20
yes demtenjeep Jul 2021 #22
K&R for, I'm *there*! UTUSN Jul 2021 #24
Come on, FDA! At least let people protect their kids! lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #27
Sent a letter this afternoon MontanaMama Jul 2021 #32
They could do it for teachers, not yet for students. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #39
Carrots have done as much as they will do, it's time for the goddamn stick. Salviati Jul 2021 #28
And the ignorant will die YoshidaYui Jul 2021 #33
Damn right! Jail the bastard and his cronies. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #40
Staff at Florida hospital hear panic, fear and regret from unvaccinated patients Larissa Jul 2021 #35
I'm really angry - but not just at the unvaccinated - also at the CDC, and the vaccinated who can't Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #37
I have two granddaughters. Texaswitchy Jul 2021 #38
"Society will just have to wait for us." Oh, really? shrike3 Jul 2021 #41

roamer65

(36,739 posts)
1. When vaccinated people's children start dying from COVID en masse, there is going to be violence.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 02:34 PM
Jul 2021

It’s going to send a lot of parents over the edge.

The disdain is very palpable right now, and rightly so.

Just a prediction.

brewens

(13,400 posts)
2. During a national crisis, TFG followers not only refused to help the rest of us, they sabotaged
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 02:35 PM
Jul 2021

the response and are still doing so. I say Information Provided= Informed. They can shove their excuses. No empathy for the "misinformed or misled".

Botany

(70,291 posts)
3. Yup! They don't have to take the vaccine but they have no right to infect others. They can die ..
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 02:43 PM
Jul 2021

.... @ home.

Fuck 'em. I might be wrong but their anti vax stuff is in no small part coming from Russia.

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,005 posts)
4. Is Vaxed America Running Out of Patience?
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 02:44 PM
Jul 2021

Sane and intelligent Americans are getting tired of ignorant idiots who refuse to be vaccinated



We need to stop being nice to these idiots and put into place vaccine mandates and passports

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
5. Every death after March 2021 is on the heads of anti-vaxxers and TFG's supporters
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 02:47 PM
Jul 2021

Every dollar lost due to slowdown or lockdown is on them.

Every problem that comes from this is squarely on their heads and should've been prevented.


Yes, I'm livid at them and often wish ill upon them. They are the true enemies of humankind.

 

SayitAintSo

(2,207 posts)
6. A novel thought..
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 02:57 PM
Jul 2021

Is there anyone left out there ( literally and figuratively that even considers the possibility that it may be the hubris of the vaccinated, going maskless now, post vaccination, that may be promoting the proliferation of new variants? If you read the fine print on ALL of the different vaccines, they clearly do not give you 100% protection against transmitting or getting covid, and have proven less effective on new variants. I'm sure that's part of the reasoning behind the new masking advisory. Darwinistic, binary thinking is a real problem in tackling this virus. We need a multi-pronged approach that both sides of the aisle can embrace. The vaccine 'Silver Bullet' is not it, by itself. We need more research and development, and TRUTH on legitimate covid treatments in order to eliminate this virus.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
17. I have been saying much of the same thing since the CDC statements on (un)masking went out.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 04:40 PM
Jul 2021

But it's been a very lonely position until perhaps 2 weeks ago.

What I find particularly striking are those who insist:

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
21. I have not quit wearing a mask after my vaccines, I still social distance.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 05:01 PM
Jul 2021

I held on to a concert ticket for a year, and very regretfully finally cashed it in. I live in Ohio, after the behavior I have seen in this state I will not sit elbow to elbow in an indoor arena, not even for an artist I greatly admire.

I have a hard time understanding people so vested in a cult of personality they are willing to bet their lives on making the guy they didn't vote for, in their minds, as big a failure in control of this pandemic as the guy they support. Actually betting the lives of their children, relatives, friends, and neighbors.

How else do you explain sending the vast un-vaxxed population, children below 12, back to school without pandemic protocols?

ret5hd

(20,435 posts)
25. Describe any facet of this "multi-pronged approach...
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 05:03 PM
Jul 2021

that both sides of the aisle can embrace”.

Not necessarily in fine grained detail, just gimme an idea of what you envision.

 

SayitAintSo

(2,207 posts)
43. Treatment options #1
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 08:12 PM
Jul 2021

I'll give you two:

1) Mass education on Covid treatment options within the medical community. There's been an unnecessary blackout on some treatment options. The testimony of Dr. Peter McCullough below says it better than I can.




2) Mass education in the general community on immune-boosting modalities. Healthy lifestyle, supplementation, etc. Sedentary obesity is one of the worst comorbidities putting us at risk, something in our control. Again there has been an unnecessary blackout on some doctors that promote healthy living modalities.

These things just make common sense. To put all the eggs in the vaccine basket as the Silver Bullet makes no sense to me. That's what I mean by a multi-pronged approach. Don't you want our doctors / medical community using all the tools they have at their disposal to help fight this thing? I surely do... I was in envisioning a 'medical Manhattan Project', instead of a big payday for big Pharma.

I hope this helps.





 

SayitAintSo

(2,207 posts)
45. Or this one..
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 01:13 PM
Jul 2021


Flame on if you must, but if you can bring yourself to do honest research on the other side of the aisle, you might find some ' new thinking ', outside of the current tribalistic, binary mode 'fear porn' around covid treatment and prevention.

https://www.treatearly.org/history



vanlassie

(5,637 posts)
26. Wait. We are angry with people who don't trust the experts...
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 05:04 PM
Jul 2021

And yet you’re critical of those who listened to the experts and got vaxxed, and also listened to the same experts say they could remove masks? Doesn’t that make them just as huberistic as the people who didn’t trust the experts?

Salviati

(6,002 posts)
31. "Do not have to wear" is not the same as "should not wear"
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 05:15 PM
Jul 2021

And I would argue that the CDC's earlier guidance, while reasonable individual advice, was terrible public health guidance, as we've seen how well the unvaccinated population is doing with the "honor system"

vanlassie

(5,637 posts)
36. But the suggestion was that the vaccinated
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 06:23 PM
Jul 2021

were responsible for having “hubris of the vaccinated.” That is quite a stretch. Blame the CDC- fine. Blame those who relied on them? No.

mjvpi

(1,384 posts)
30. The Biden administration is pursuing best science.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 05:11 PM
Jul 2021

If you want to protect yourself by using a mask, you must use an N95/KN94 type mask. Other types of masks help protect others from you. So, if you are vaccinated, the chances of you being infectious are statistically low. But your point is taken. We are still all in this together. C-19 believes in science and will continue to evolve.

myccrider

(484 posts)
42. Unlikely that the vaccinated would incubate new variants.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 03:00 PM
Jul 2021

Not impossible, just not as probable as among the unvaccinated.

For evolution/natural selection to accidentally find a mutation that would make a more deadly virus variant there needs to be a huge population that is rapidly reproducing. Such mutations are actually rare.

The vaccinated are not as fertile ground for the virus to replicate in. The overwhelming majority of the relatively small number of breakthrough cases have been asymptomatic or mild symptoms, which means less virus replicating within them because their immune systems are more quickly limiting and eliminating the virus population.

The unvaccinated are the main pool of virus and are where large numbers of virus are rapidly replicating. Math says they will be the most likely (by some order of magnitude that I’m unqualified to compute ) more likely to breed a new, more lethal variant.

That doesn’t mean I agreed with relaxing the mask mandates, social distancing, etc. The CDC and the powers that be knew the delta variant was spreading rapidly and would inevitably get to the US. They shoulda known better.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
7. Damn right, we're tired of this shit and it will still be on our minds come next election.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 03:03 PM
Jul 2021

MTG and her ilk could be just screwing themselves.

Midnight Writer

(21,548 posts)
19. Exactly. Anger motivates voters. Ask any GOP strategist.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 04:48 PM
Jul 2021

I believe that is why we see public backtracking among GOP and their machine about vaccinations.

AZ8theist

(5,339 posts)
23. Traitor Greene will be re-elected in a landslide.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 05:02 PM
Jul 2021

Our only hope is she committed crimes giving recon tours of the Capital on 1/5. She can then be expelled from Congress or jailed or both.

Hopefully........

Arkansas Granny

(31,483 posts)
9. I'm pretty pissed about it. My family went for over a year without celebrating birthdays and
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 03:11 PM
Jul 2021

holidays. We wore our masks, practiced social distancing and avoided crowds. We all got our vaccinations as soon as we were eligible. Now that we are getting together again, we have to worry about all the yokels out there who won't get vaccinated. Maybe we won't get sick and maybe we won't die if we get infected, but we have children in the family who aren't old enough for the vaccine yet. I sure as hell don't want to even think about one of my grandchildren being on a ventilator.

homegirl

(1,419 posts)
18. Above the fold on
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 04:46 PM
Jul 2021

every newspaper in America next Sunday should be a full, across the page a photo of the horror of the Polio epidemic of the 1950's in America. Children in iron lungs.

with the headline

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WITHOUT A VACCINATION!!!


Arkansas Granny

(31,483 posts)
34. I remember polio and went to school with a couple of kids that had survived.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 05:43 PM
Jul 2021

We were lined up for shots as soon as they were available. Vaccines work.

Initech

(99,915 posts)
10. Damn right I'm pissed off!
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 03:13 PM
Jul 2021

It's bad enough the fucking anti-vaxxers are taking us backwards, they're dragging us down to their level. It's infuriating and I really hate these assholes!

radius777

(3,624 posts)
11. What would FDR do?
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 03:16 PM
Jul 2021

There is no such thing as absolute rights, and a pandemic is a wartime situation that demands collective action and collective sacrifice.

Right now, the unvaxxed/anti-mask types are a pampered class that 'free-rides' on the herd protection offered by the vaxxed/masked.

We need to reverse that dynamic, so that the vaxxed/masked folks are the privileged, and the antivaxxed/antimaskers are second class citizens that find it difficult to operate in society. Use any/all legal, political, economic and social mechanisms to force them into a limited lifestyle so that they have an incentive to get vaxxed. Right now they have no incentive and are just free-riding as I described above.

Paladin

(28,204 posts)
12. Anti-vaccers are entitled to nothing but disdain.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 03:21 PM
Jul 2021

Treat them harshly when you encounter them. The time for good manners is over.

ffr

(22,649 posts)
14. +1
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 04:18 PM
Jul 2021

Sick of having to coddle them like children. Grow up! It's just a needle, you babies! Cry if you must, but get vaccinated!

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
13. I would like to see unvaccinated people barred from all public spaces
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 03:32 PM
Jul 2021

All stores
All theaters
All sporting / concert venues
All restaurants
All transportation

Get vaccinated or stay the fuck away from the rest of us.

RainCaster

(10,691 posts)
15. Here's my input:
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 04:24 PM
Jul 2021

I have two daughters in the health care field, and two sons in the "whatever" field. While I love them all, I truly believe that the meek shall inherit the earth. To me, this means that the girls will win. Not because they are girls, but because they are right.

I am fighting quite seriously through issues of misogynist BS, but also Google bulllshit. God damn, I hope these clowns spend their lives hell for this.

Larissa

(786 posts)
16. U.S. Confirmed Cases: 34,256,255 -- U.S. Deaths: 605,780
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 04:29 PM
Jul 2021

The numbers are likely higher. As we know, the United States is currently surging upwards as seen on the vertical bar graph of confirmed cases. The facts bear out the reality that masking and/or vaccines need to be made mandatory -- with few exceptions -- in the face of an ultra contagious, pathogenic killer. The numbers tell us that the days of playing hide and go seek with this virus are over. We are in serious trouble.

WHO Coronavirus Disease - United States of America
https://covid19.who.int/region/amro/country/us

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
27. Come on, FDA! At least let people protect their kids!
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 05:05 PM
Jul 2021

School is going to be a catastrophe if we don't vaccinate the kids.

MontanaMama

(23,242 posts)
32. Sent a letter this afternoon
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 05:21 PM
Jul 2021

to the county superintendent of schools and my kiddo’s high school principal asking if they planned to mandate vaccines for teachers and students.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
39. They could do it for teachers, not yet for students.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 09:50 AM
Jul 2021

FDA needs to approve the vaccines to lower age levels first.

And we are still waiting for full approval for the vaccines for adults. Many are using the lack of full FDA approval as an excuse to skip vaccinating.

YoshidaYui

(41,763 posts)
33. And the ignorant will die
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 05:25 PM
Jul 2021

Because they believe what the Republicans are selling them. Trump needs to be imprisoned.

Larissa

(786 posts)
35. Staff at Florida hospital hear panic, fear and regret from unvaccinated patients
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 05:52 PM
Jul 2021

I'm not a doctor or a health care professional, but my guess is that Covid-19 patients are so flooded with the virus that giving them the vaccine is too late to make a difference. It would be ineffective. The prevalent goal is to get them breathing to as much full capacity as possible. How much easier, the patients may realize, it would have been to have had the vaccine than to be intubated. It is truly a tragic situation. I wonder if they had not read the news that this is the new normal with this virus. And what is their governor doing? Bitching about effing Ben and Jerry's ice cream.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/26/us/florida-coronavirus-hospital-surge/index.html

(CNN) - Health care workers at Jacksonville's Baptist Medical Center in Florida are hearing panic, fear and regret from many of their patients as an increasing number are admitted for Covid-19 complications -- and as many need to be put on ventilators. "We're getting ready to intubate the patient, which means putting them on a ventilator, and they said, "If I get the vaccine now, could I not go on the ventilator?" So, they're begging for it," Chief Nursing Officer Tammy Daniel told CNN. "They're desperate because they are gasping for air, they can't breathe, they are scared, they feel like they're going to pass away."

But by then, they are too late for a vaccine to stop their infection.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
37. I'm really angry - but not just at the unvaccinated - also at the CDC, and the vaccinated who can't
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 06:24 PM
Jul 2021

think for themselves.

Every bit of this was predictable. I predicted it. I'm no one special, but I have access to data, research articles, a decent command of math, and at least a basic understanding of how people react.

My parents had to skip celebrating their 65th anniversary last September 1. My 40th anniversary is on September 11 this year. I had been hoping that we could combine the two for one big celebration. I hadn't yet mentioned it to my parents, since I saw where COVID was going.

I had to skip my annual 150 mile bike ride (MS 150) five years ago when I was diagnosed with breast cancer and had to do radiation all summer. Since then my faculty has decided they like my work so much I need to do double, with 66% of the staff - and I haven't had any room to breathe. Then there was COVID. Then there was my 2nd cancer diagnosis. I had planned to do one of the first in person post-COVID rides on my 65th birthday in September. That one I have mentioned to my parents, doctors, family . . . but at this point I'm just waiting for them to cancel. It's in Michigan . . .

I haven't been able to take a vacation (i.e. more than Christmas Day) off since 2016. See the above. I was planning to go diving in Cozumel in November - steal time from something else to take care of my emotional needs. My guess is that no one will want anyone from the US to visit pretty darn soon. Certainly before November. That's the only window I have until a year from now.

So, yeah. I'm really angry - at everyone who contributed to making this mess worse than it had to be. This was absolutely predictable. It didn't have to be. It didn't even have to rest on convincing the jerks to get vaccinated - ALL it required was to enforce masking for anyone not vaccinated. I'm pissed at the CDC for acting as if they were advising a single patient about their risks - rather than focusing on the health of the community. And I'm pissed at people who got vaccinated and are too selfish to continue wearing masks until we have this virus under control.

I've been making sacrifices to stay safe - and to keep others safe - more sacrifices than most. And now I see the little joy I hoped to capture snatched from my grasp for at least a year.

So I completely get the anger. What I don't get is using that anger to justify making 0-12 year olds sick, or contributing to the creation of variants.

Texaswitchy

(2,962 posts)
38. I have two granddaughters.
Tue Jul 27, 2021, 07:49 PM
Jul 2021

The oldest is 12 and has her shot now.

The youngest is 10.

They would be spending their summer with us but no they can't because of the virus.

Damn how much must we have to give up because of the assholes.

My grandkids are home schooled now.

I am tired of Republicans and their foolishness.





shrike3

(3,283 posts)
41. "Society will just have to wait for us." Oh, really?
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:07 AM
Jul 2021

Shareese Harris, 26, who works in the office of Grace Cathedral International in Uniondale, New York, has not been vaccinated and is “taking my time with it.” She worries that there may be long-term side effects from the vaccines and that they were rushed to market.

“I shouldn’t be judged or forced to make a decision,” Harris said. “Society will just have to wait for us.”
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