As Virus Cases Rise, Another Contagion Spreads Among the Vaccinated: Anger

It’s going to send a lot of parents over the edge.

The disdain is very palpable right now, and rightly so.

Just a prediction.

the response and are still doing so. I say Information Provided= Informed. They can shove their excuses. No empathy for the "misinformed or misled".

.... @ home.

Fuck 'em. I might be wrong but their anti vax stuff is in no small part coming from Russia.

Sane and intelligent Americans are getting tired of ignorant idiots who refuse to be vaccinated

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We need to stop being nice to these idiots and put into place vaccine mandates and passports

Every dollar lost due to slowdown or lockdown is on them.

Every problem that comes from this is squarely on their heads and should've been prevented.


Yes, I'm livid at them and often wish ill upon them. They are the true enemies of humankind.

Is there anyone left out there ( literally and figuratively that even considers the possibility that it may be the hubris of the vaccinated, going maskless now, post vaccination, that may be promoting the proliferation of new variants? If you read the fine print on ALL of the different vaccines, they clearly do not give you 100% protection against transmitting or getting covid, and have proven less effective on new variants. I'm sure that's part of the reasoning behind the new masking advisory. Darwinistic, binary thinking is a real problem in tackling this virus. We need a multi-pronged approach that both sides of the aisle can embrace. The vaccine 'Silver Bullet' is not it, by itself. We need more research and development, and TRUTH on legitimate covid treatments in order to eliminate this virus.

But it's been a very lonely position until perhaps 2 weeks ago.

What I find particularly striking are those who insist:

I held on to a concert ticket for a year, and very regretfully finally cashed it in. I live in Ohio, after the behavior I have seen in this state I will not sit elbow to elbow in an indoor arena, not even for an artist I greatly admire.

I have a hard time understanding people so vested in a cult of personality they are willing to bet their lives on making the guy they didn't vote for, in their minds, as big a failure in control of this pandemic as the guy they support. Actually betting the lives of their children, relatives, friends, and neighbors.

How else do you explain sending the vast un-vaxxed population, children below 12, back to school without pandemic protocols?

that both sides of the aisle can embrace”.

Not necessarily in fine grained detail, just gimme an idea of what you envision.

I'll give you two:

1) Mass education on Covid treatment options within the medical community. There's been an unnecessary blackout on some treatment options. The testimony of Dr. Peter McCullough below says it better than I can.




2) Mass education in the general community on immune-boosting modalities. Healthy lifestyle, supplementation, etc. Sedentary obesity is one of the worst comorbidities putting us at risk, something in our control. Again there has been an unnecessary blackout on some doctors that promote healthy living modalities.

These things just make common sense. To put all the eggs in the vaccine basket as the Silver Bullet makes no sense to me. That's what I mean by a multi-pronged approach. Don't you want our doctors / medical community using all the tools they have at their disposal to help fight this thing? I surely do... I was in envisioning a 'medical Manhattan Project', instead of a big payday for big Pharma.

I hope this helps.

Flame on if you must, but if you can bring yourself to do honest research on the other side of the aisle, you might find some ' new thinking ', outside of the current tribalistic, binary mode 'fear porn' around covid treatment and prevention.

https://www.treatearly.org/history

And yet you’re critical of those who listened to the experts and got vaxxed, and also listened to the same experts say they could remove masks? Doesn’t that make them just as huberistic as the people who didn’t trust the experts?

And I would argue that the CDC's earlier guidance, while reasonable individual advice, was terrible public health guidance, as we've seen how well the unvaccinated population is doing with the "honor system"

were responsible for having “hubris of the vaccinated.” That is quite a stretch. Blame the CDC- fine. Blame those who relied on them? No.

If you want to protect yourself by using a mask, you must use an N95/KN94 type mask. Other types of masks help protect others from you. So, if you are vaccinated, the chances of you being infectious are statistically low. But your point is taken. We are still all in this together. C-19 believes in science and will continue to evolve.

Not impossible, just not as probable as among the unvaccinated.

For evolution/natural selection to accidentally find a mutation that would make a more deadly virus variant there needs to be a huge population that is rapidly reproducing. Such mutations are actually rare.

The vaccinated are not as fertile ground for the virus to replicate in. The overwhelming majority of the relatively small number of breakthrough cases have been asymptomatic or mild symptoms, which means less virus replicating within them because their immune systems are more quickly limiting and eliminating the virus population.

The unvaccinated are the main pool of virus and are where large numbers of virus are rapidly replicating. Math says they will be the most likely (by some order of magnitude that I’m unqualified to compute ) more likely to breed a new, more lethal variant.

That doesn’t mean I agreed with relaxing the mask mandates, social distancing, etc. The CDC and the powers that be knew the delta variant was spreading rapidly and would inevitably get to the US. They shoulda known better.

https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-d9504519a8ae081f785ca012b5ef84d1

New thinking?

MTG and her ilk could be just screwing themselves.

I believe that is why we see public backtracking among GOP and their machine about vaccinations.

Our only hope is she committed crimes giving recon tours of the Capital on 1/5. She can then be expelled from Congress or jailed or both.

Hopefully........

and directing the anger to the un-vaxxed

holidays. We wore our masks, practiced social distancing and avoided crowds. We all got our vaccinations as soon as we were eligible. Now that we are getting together again, we have to worry about all the yokels out there who won't get vaccinated. Maybe we won't get sick and maybe we won't die if we get infected, but we have children in the family who aren't old enough for the vaccine yet. I sure as hell don't want to even think about one of my grandchildren being on a ventilator.

every newspaper in America next Sunday should be a full, across the page a photo of the horror of the Polio epidemic of the 1950's in America. Children in iron lungs.

with the headline

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WITHOUT A VACCINATION!!!

We were lined up for shots as soon as they were available. Vaccines work.

It's bad enough the fucking anti-vaxxers are taking us backwards, they're dragging us down to their level. It's infuriating and I really hate these assholes!

There is no such thing as absolute rights, and a pandemic is a wartime situation that demands collective action and collective sacrifice.

Right now, the unvaxxed/anti-mask types are a pampered class that 'free-rides' on the herd protection offered by the vaxxed/masked.

We need to reverse that dynamic, so that the vaxxed/masked folks are the privileged, and the antivaxxed/antimaskers are second class citizens that find it difficult to operate in society. Use any/all legal, political, economic and social mechanisms to force them into a limited lifestyle so that they have an incentive to get vaxxed. Right now they have no incentive and are just free-riding as I described above.

Treat them harshly when you encounter them. The time for good manners is over.

Sick of having to coddle them like children. Grow up! It's just a needle, you babies! Cry if you must, but get vaccinated!

All stores
All theaters
All sporting / concert venues
All restaurants
All transportation

Get vaccinated or stay the fuck away from the rest of us.

I have two daughters in the health care field, and two sons in the "whatever" field. While I love them all, I truly believe that the meek shall inherit the earth. To me, this means that the girls will win. Not because they are girls, but because they are right.

I am fighting quite seriously through issues of misogynist BS, but also Google bulllshit. God damn, I hope these clowns spend their lives hell for this.

The numbers are likely higher. As we know, the United States is currently surging upwards as seen on the vertical bar graph of confirmed cases. The facts bear out the reality that masking and/or vaccines need to be made mandatory -- with few exceptions -- in the face of an ultra contagious, pathogenic killer. The numbers tell us that the days of playing hide and go seek with this virus are over. We are in serious trouble.

WHO Coronavirus Disease - United States of America
https://covid19.who.int/region/amro/country/us

I am so pissed that people are this fucking stupid

School is going to be a catastrophe if we don't vaccinate the kids.

to the county superintendent of schools and my kiddo’s high school principal asking if they planned to mandate vaccines for teachers and students.

FDA needs to approve the vaccines to lower age levels first.

And we are still waiting for full approval for the vaccines for adults. Many are using the lack of full FDA approval as an excuse to skip vaccinating.

Because they believe what the Republicans are selling them. Trump needs to be imprisoned.

I'm not a doctor or a health care professional, but my guess is that Covid-19 patients are so flooded with the virus that giving them the vaccine is too late to make a difference. It would be ineffective. The prevalent goal is to get them breathing to as much full capacity as possible. How much easier, the patients may realize, it would have been to have had the vaccine than to be intubated. It is truly a tragic situation. I wonder if they had not read the news that this is the new normal with this virus. And what is their governor doing? Bitching about effing Ben and Jerry's ice cream.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/26/us/florida-coronavirus-hospital-surge/index.html

(CNN) - Health care workers at Jacksonville's Baptist Medical Center in Florida are hearing panic, fear and regret from many of their patients as an increasing number are admitted for Covid-19 complications -- and as many need to be put on ventilators. "We're getting ready to intubate the patient, which means putting them on a ventilator, and they said, "If I get the vaccine now, could I not go on the ventilator?" So, they're begging for it," Chief Nursing Officer Tammy Daniel told CNN. "They're desperate because they are gasping for air, they can't breathe, they are scared, they feel like they're going to pass away."

But by then, they are too late for a vaccine to stop their infection.

think for themselves.

Every bit of this was predictable. I predicted it. I'm no one special, but I have access to data, research articles, a decent command of math, and at least a basic understanding of how people react.

My parents had to skip celebrating their 65th anniversary last September 1. My 40th anniversary is on September 11 this year. I had been hoping that we could combine the two for one big celebration. I hadn't yet mentioned it to my parents, since I saw where COVID was going.

I had to skip my annual 150 mile bike ride (MS 150) five years ago when I was diagnosed with breast cancer and had to do radiation all summer. Since then my faculty has decided they like my work so much I need to do double, with 66% of the staff - and I haven't had any room to breathe. Then there was COVID. Then there was my 2nd cancer diagnosis. I had planned to do one of the first in person post-COVID rides on my 65th birthday in September. That one I have mentioned to my parents, doctors, family . . . but at this point I'm just waiting for them to cancel. It's in Michigan . . .

I haven't been able to take a vacation (i.e. more than Christmas Day) off since 2016. See the above. I was planning to go diving in Cozumel in November - steal time from something else to take care of my emotional needs. My guess is that no one will want anyone from the US to visit pretty darn soon. Certainly before November. That's the only window I have until a year from now.

So, yeah. I'm really angry - at everyone who contributed to making this mess worse than it had to be. This was absolutely predictable. It didn't have to be. It didn't even have to rest on convincing the jerks to get vaccinated - ALL it required was to enforce masking for anyone not vaccinated. I'm pissed at the CDC for acting as if they were advising a single patient about their risks - rather than focusing on the health of the community. And I'm pissed at people who got vaccinated and are too selfish to continue wearing masks until we have this virus under control.

I've been making sacrifices to stay safe - and to keep others safe - more sacrifices than most. And now I see the little joy I hoped to capture snatched from my grasp for at least a year.

So I completely get the anger. What I don't get is using that anger to justify making 0-12 year olds sick, or contributing to the creation of variants.

The oldest is 12 and has her shot now.

The youngest is 10.

They would be spending their summer with us but no they can't because of the virus.

Damn how much must we have to give up because of the assholes.

My grandkids are home schooled now.

I am tired of Republicans and their foolishness.

Shareese Harris, 26, who works in the office of Grace Cathedral International in Uniondale, New York, has not been vaccinated and is “taking my time with it.” She worries that there may be long-term side effects from the vaccines and that they were rushed to market.

“I shouldn’t be judged or forced to make a decision,” Harris said. “Society will just have to wait for us.”