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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 09:50 AM Jul 2021

The words came from someone who performs competitively in gymnastics....




Nuff said. She is indeed the Goat. And Piers Morgan and his ilk on both sides of the pond, yet again demonising the well being choices of young women of colour are demonstrably the Gammon.

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The words came from someone who performs competitively in gymnastics.... (Original Post) Soph0571 Jul 2021 OP
Not a single one of the people trashing Biles iemanja Jul 2021 #1
Leave her alone... Omnipresent Jul 2021 #2
Well said - ditto! n/t iluvtennis Jul 2021 #25
Simone is an incomparable woman of amazing measure, courage and talent. Critics? Pffft. Guilded Lilly Jul 2021 #3
Piers and Tucker are twins MLAA Jul 2021 #4
I'd like to see either one of them try to pull of the Triple Lindy.. iscooterliberally Jul 2021 #32
For sure, I'm guessing a cartwheel is out of their grasp... MLAA Jul 2021 #34
In drag racing school Mopar151 Jul 2021 #5
". . .joke of an organization. . ." Indeed. DinahMoeHum Jul 2021 #6
Piers Morgan questions Biles' courage? Cracklin Charlie Jul 2021 #7
Ms Biles health, mental and physical, is much more important than some bauble... Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #8
The people trashing her Jilly_in_VA Jul 2021 #9
Piers Morgan. . . DinahMoeHum Jul 2021 #10
I agree 100% with the sentiment of this post, but I have been wondering whether GumboYaYa Jul 2021 #11
To me, "the goat" means, "the one to blame". Mister Ed Jul 2021 #13
GOAT has been used for 30 years to denote Greatest of All Time in sports Jon King Jul 2021 #18
Yes, her comment about being the "lead star" was interesting Deminpenn Jul 2021 #17
Really? happy feet Jul 2021 #20
She is the "lead star", but I doubt she meant to phrase Deminpenn Jul 2021 #36
I Hate That Discussion RobinA Jul 2021 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author RobinA Jul 2021 #27
I feel only admiration for her. n/t Mister Ed Jul 2021 #12
She doesn't have to justify herself to anyone IronLionZion Jul 2021 #14
Yes! greblach Jul 2021 #42
Wish I could rec a thousand times. yardwork Jul 2021 #15
A lady at the tennis courts was bashing her... Jon King Jul 2021 #16
For Morgan of all people dsc Jul 2021 #19
OMG, YES! ShazzieB Jul 2021 #38
This MustLoveBeagles Jul 2021 #44
All this "trash talk" is exactly why i avoid all sports... except where kids are learning skills... usaf-vet Jul 2021 #21
What exactly are "individual life sports"? ShazzieB Jul 2021 #39
Skiing, downhill, cross-country, biking, mountain, road, golf, tennis, archery. They all don't.... usaf-vet Jul 2021 #43
Your mind disconnect from your body 'twisties' Roc2020 Jul 2021 #22
piers morgan is goat at being a idiot dawn5651 Jul 2021 #23
Here's what I said on another forum to those saying she "quit on her team" and anything less than a Sogo Jul 2021 #24
Pure speculation..... I'm wondering about a possible inner ear or related issue groundloop Jul 2021 #28
I wonder if many people still remember Steve Sax... Moostache Jul 2021 #29
Yes, the "Michael Jordan or Tom Brady would never bail on their teammates" stuff is bunk. GopherGal Jul 2021 #37
Who's making sure she's OK? Johnny2X2X Jul 2021 #30
Good question. Japan banned family and assistants because of covid. SunSeeker Jul 2021 #35
Mary Lou Retton--FROM 5 FUCKING YEARS AGO. Volaris Jul 2021 #31
Too often, we demand our heroes be infallible dlk Jul 2021 #33
I would kneel at her feet, avert my eyes and kiss her hand. The Jungle 1 Jul 2021 #40
She did the right thing MustLoveBeagles Jul 2021 #41

iemanja

(53,016 posts)
1. Not a single one of the people trashing Biles
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 09:52 AM
Jul 2021

has a fraction of the discipline, dedication, or skill that she has. Until their lazy asses can score a 15 on vault, their words are meaningless.

MLAA

(17,254 posts)
4. Piers and Tucker are twins
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 10:42 AM
Jul 2021

Ignorant, narcissistic assholes who are afraid of people of color and women.

Simone is far smarter, stronger, more compassionate and accomplished than they are.

I wish Simone the very best of everything in her life.

MLAA

(17,254 posts)
34. For sure, I'm guessing a cartwheel is out of their grasp...
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 04:14 PM
Jul 2021

They are too busy doing mental gymnastics to support their stupidity and hypocracy

Mopar151

(9,975 posts)
5. In drag racing school
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 10:49 AM
Jul 2021

They spend an hour, on day 1, teaching you when to shut down! When the run goes wrong, trying to save it gets expensive, painful, and dumb, in a quick hurry!

DinahMoeHum

(21,776 posts)
6. ". . .joke of an organization. . ." Indeed.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 10:56 AM
Jul 2021

USA Gymnastics as an org needs to be decapitated, dismantled, and rebuilt from scratch.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
7. Piers Morgan questions Biles' courage?
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 10:59 AM
Jul 2021

I would laugh, but I may never be able to stop on that one.

Good grief, the man is a joke.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,945 posts)
9. The people trashing her
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:01 AM
Jul 2021

couldn't do a simple front somersault on a good day and know nothing about mental struggles. They can STFU and STHD.

Someone from another sport likened this to having the "yips" in golf (which also happens to pitchers in softball and baseball). That may make it more understandable to a few.

GumboYaYa

(5,941 posts)
11. I agree 100% with the sentiment of this post, but I have been wondering whether
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:11 AM
Jul 2021

GOAT is a term we should be using. It is entirely subjective and ignores the differences in training, coaching, equipment and many other variables across generations of athletes.

More importantly, does it ratchet up the pressure on an athlete to have to bear that title? I know people love the discussion about who is the greatest, but it has to be tough to have to constantly live up to that standard as an athlete.

Mister Ed

(5,924 posts)
13. To me, "the goat" means, "the one to blame".
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:23 AM
Jul 2021

That's the traditional meaning, as in "scapegoat".

I'm guessing that, more recently, GOAT is short for "greatest of all time"? Maybe so, but it still doesn't sound good.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
18. GOAT has been used for 30 years to denote Greatest of All Time in sports
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:52 AM
Jul 2021

Goes back to Michael Jordan at around age 28 when it became a popular sports term.

Deminpenn

(15,265 posts)
17. Yes, her comment about being the "lead star" was interesting
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:41 AM
Jul 2021

I think those words just kind of popped out unintentionally, but they show the pressure of expectations on her.

happy feet

(864 posts)
20. Really?
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:10 PM
Jul 2021

You do know that she IS the lead star of the gymnastics team? Otherwise, why all the kerfluffle and blaming regarding her decision to not perform?

Deminpenn

(15,265 posts)
36. She is the "lead star", but I doubt she meant to phrase
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 05:20 PM
Jul 2021

it exactly that way. That's all.

She is 24 yrs old - still a kid - with the whole world not just watching, but expecting her to win gold and lead the US women't team to a gold medal, too. That's a ton on her shoulders. It would be mentally challenging for anyone.

RobinA

(9,886 posts)
26. I Hate That Discussion
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:42 PM
Jul 2021

And GOAT to me is a recipe for disaster. Yes, it ratchets up the pressure. As a figure skating fan for 50+ years and a gymnastics fan for almost as many I consider GOAT type praise and hysteria to be the kiss of death. Particularly in the judged sports where there aren't many competitive events. You can be the best quarterback of all time and still make plenty of mistakes in a game, even lose a game or three, there's always the next game. Hell, bad year? Next year. In the judged sports every movement counts. Balance check on beam? Kiss a medal good bye. Once somebody starts being a GOAT, the pressure gets horrible and the crash comes.

My other issue, where are these people's coaches? To me, part of a coach's job is to keep their athlete's head on their shoulders so they can go out there and compete. Not just on the day, but months into the lead-up. I thought this when Osaka quit Wimbledon on Twitter. Is there an adult in the house?

Response to GumboYaYa (Reply #11)

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
14. She doesn't have to justify herself to anyone
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:24 AM
Jul 2021

especially when many of her critics won't even wear a cloth mask indoors to protect service workers in a pandemic.

It's been a rough year for all sorts of people, even world champions. Simone is still the GOAT

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
16. A lady at the tennis courts was bashing her...
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:32 AM
Jul 2021

One of those situations where you are not part of the conversation but want to go over and blast them. This lady was 2 courts over with an empty court in between. I was picking up balls while hearing her loudly tell the instructor and the other players.

"Did you here that gymnast quit? This generation needs to be told suck it up buttercup". She went on and on until they started playing again.

This 60 something year old affluent white lady, playing tennis at a fancy place mid morning, wants to judge someone like Simone who has overcome so much and accomplished so much. Makes the blood boil.

dsc

(52,152 posts)
19. For Morgan of all people
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:01 PM
Jul 2021

who left the set of Good Morning Britain in a snit when someone had the audacity to confront him on his horrid behavior toward Megan Markle to have one word to say about quitting is rather rich indeed.

usaf-vet

(6,165 posts)
21. All this "trash talk" is exactly why i avoid all sports... except where kids are learning skills...
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:14 PM
Jul 2021

... and enjoying the activities that are life sports.

I have two memories of baseball games one was going to the ballpark as a kid with my dad and grandfather.

And two while in my mid 50's going to a minor league "farm team" game. During that game, players were paid $75.00/ game. Most were college students. They were expected to get out of the dugout and sign autographs for the kids watching from the fence. Tickets were $7.00 or $12.00 to sit behind the dugouts. The 7th inning stretch had two kids teams on the field each team got 3 real outs and the minor league players had their pictures taken with each respective kid who played their position.

It was a fun game to watch and took less time than ones requiring ads between innings.

I'm proud to say that my kids choose to play individual life sports while in school. And now approaching the big 50 are still enjoying their chosen sport.

ShazzieB

(16,288 posts)
39. What exactly are "individual life sports"?
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 09:08 PM
Jul 2021

I'm not familiar with that term. What all is included in that?

usaf-vet

(6,165 posts)
43. Skiing, downhill, cross-country, biking, mountain, road, golf, tennis, archery. They all don't....
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 12:22 AM
Jul 2021

... don't need a team. Although at times you need an opponent i.e. tennis. Individual LIFE sports.

Show me, 70-year-old football teams. Or for that matter basketball teams.

Most public schools spend more on football than all other sports combined.

Coming from snow country we can find skiers in nearly all age groups from 7 to 70. In fact, our local ski hill has a 72-year-old ski patrol member. One just retired after 40 years as a patroller.

Golf and biking are other sports we can see 70+ individuals still involved. In fact, a 74-year-old friend just bought a new bike.

Roc2020

(1,613 posts)
22. Your mind disconnect from your body 'twisties'
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:18 PM
Jul 2021

in the air doing flips/twists sounds downright horrific. Biles could have died. Kudos to her for swallowing her pride and do the right thing

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
24. Here's what I said on another forum to those saying she "quit on her team" and anything less than a
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:27 PM
Jul 2021

"shattered ankle" wasn't reason enough to quit:


My reply:

She didn’t “quit on her team.” She got out so her impending poor performances (per her own assessment) wouldn’t drag their score down and take them out of the medals entirely. She got out FOR the team. They went on to take silver, but I guess anything but gold or a “shattered ankle” isn’t good enough for you! Sheesh….

groundloop

(11,514 posts)
28. Pure speculation..... I'm wondering about a possible inner ear or related issue
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:47 PM
Jul 2021

I'm disappointed not to be able to see her compete, but obviously she made the right decision.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
29. I wonder if many people still remember Steve Sax...
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:47 PM
Jul 2021

from Wikipedia:

Steve Sax Syndrome

Though never regarded as one of the top fielding second basemen in the league, Steve Sax inexplicably became incapable of making routine throws to first base in 1983, committing 30 errors that season.[7] This is referred to in baseball terminology as "Steve Sax Syndrome", the fielder's variant of "Steve Blass disease," named after the Pirates pitcher who suffered a similar breakdown of basic mechanics (also known as "The Yips&quot . As his accuracy suffered, fans sitting behind the first base dugout began wearing batting helmets as mock protection.[8] (Teammate Pedro Guerrero, an outfielder pressed into service at third base in 1983, once reportedly stated that his first thought whenever he was in the field was "I hope they don't hit it to me", while his second thought was "I hope they don't hit it to Sax.&quot [9] By 1989, however, Sax seemed to be completely "cured", leading the American League in both fielding percentage[10] and double plays.


Now, imagine having something happen to you that takes away what once came naturally and instead of that something being throwing a ball accurately it involved sprinting down a runway, bouncing off of a springboard, flipping and twisting multiple times in the air and then managing to land without smashing into the ground or worse.

Or flipping in the air off of a 4-inch wide piece of wood elevated above the ground to make potential falls more dangerous, more painful or worse.

Or spinning around on the uneven bars? Or making tumbling passes that launch you 2 to 3 times your physical height and doing the same kind of flips, spins, twirls and landings?

Simone Biles is the greatest gymnast in history and its not really a close call. Her mental toughness to reach the heights she has already spoke of her greatness before this bizarre Olympics started.

I would pay BIG money to watch Piers Morgan or Tucker Carlson even attempt to MOUNT the balance beam. Getting them to severely injure themselves on the apparatus would simply be frosting on the cake...

GopherGal

(2,007 posts)
37. Yes, the "Michael Jordan or Tom Brady would never bail on their teammates" stuff is bunk.
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 05:38 PM
Jul 2021

In her sport, getting the "yips" doesn't just mean you give up too many hits/runs and lose the game. Getting the "yips" can mean you land on your neck and leave the event on a stretcher.

Dominique Moceanu (A Karolyi gymnast who was 14 at the 1996 Olypmics) recounts competing with a stress fracture in her tibia and hitting her head on the balance beam:

[link:https://www.eonline.com/news/1294114/gymnast-dominique-moceanu-reflects-on-1996-injury-in-support-of-simone-biles|]

Johnny2X2X

(18,973 posts)
30. Who's making sure she's OK?
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 12:48 PM
Jul 2021

Seriously, she's becoming this symbol and talking point that is putting more pressure on her now, who is with her right now making sure she's OK? She's going through a crisis, that crisis doesn't appear over, and people are just using it as a talking point.

MustLoveBeagles

(11,583 posts)
41. She did the right thing
Wed Jul 28, 2021, 11:03 PM
Jul 2021

She put the team ahead of herself. Had she competed she likely would've gotten badly hurt, or at worst, killed.

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