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Bayer Confirms End of Sale of Glyphosate-Based Herbicides for US Lawn & Garden Market (Original Post) womanofthehills Jul 2021 OP
This is worth celebrating! Tadpole Raisin Jul 2021 #1
Enjoy your kudzu Botany Jul 2021 #2
Goats are a great option or Phoenix61 Jul 2021 #9
Non native invasive plants are a billion times worse for the environment and the supportive capacity Botany Jul 2021 #12
Salt will sterilize your soil and is much more dangerous than glyphosate. LeftInTX Jul 2021 #13
Frankly, we should start harvesting invasive species TexasBushwhacker Jul 2021 #43
Eat your Kudzu! Richard D Jul 2021 #20
Get real. Are you gonna come to the midwest and east the bush honeysuckle too? Botany Jul 2021 #24
I pay serious money to buy ground kudzu, which I use as a thickening agent in place of corn starch wackadoo wabbit Jul 2021 #33
And garlic mustard, buckthorn, wild parsnips, etc NickB79 Jul 2021 #36
I hear it's going places! AwakeAtLast Jul 2021 #42
I remember! intheflow Jul 2021 #44
About damned time. Now, can we ban its use on food crops? lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #3
Beat me to it. old guy Jul 2021 #5
Sure doesn't look like it... LeftInTX Jul 2021 #11
In the first lawsuit, the guy was spraying glyphosate regularly on school grounds womanofthehills Jul 2021 #31
So it's perfectly fine to eat it. lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #37
++ appalachiablue Jul 2021 #23
+1000 sinkingfeeling Jul 2021 #29
Off to the greatest page malaise Jul 2021 #4
Kick ! Thank you womanofthehills! luckone Jul 2021 #6
They've Been Reformulating... ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #7
Is there a difference between glyphosate and glyphosonate? LeftInTX Jul 2021 #10
Yes ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #16
Thx..nt LeftInTX Jul 2021 #17
I hope the new formulation is effective. Owl Jul 2021 #39
They Wouldn't Switch If It Wasn't ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #45
Glad to hear it wendyb-NC Jul 2021 #8
2023. Igel Jul 2021 #14
LOL - I wonder if the knock-off brands will still be available in stores? LeftInTX Jul 2021 #15
I just finished Carey Gillam's new book "The Monsanto Papers" womanofthehills Jul 2021 #18
I have a bamboo invasion in my yard not native to area. Was just reading that this is only Pepsidog Jul 2021 #19
When I had bamboo in my yard, the roots were only about 4 inches deep womanofthehills Jul 2021 #27
I just had it cut down. Most stalks about 4-5inches round. Guys used chain saw. Haven't removed Pepsidog Jul 2021 #41
Thank heavens. Chemo-GMO corporate rations are Profoundly Ungood Champp Jul 2021 #21
"... gimme spots on my apples, but leave me the birds and the bees!" calimary Jul 2021 #22
AND -Glyphosate in blood of Florida manatees womanofthehills Jul 2021 #28
Smart move by Bayer to direct attention away from Roundup's use in agriculture. Politicub Jul 2021 #25
Also - what is so gross is desiccating crops with glyphosate womanofthehills Jul 2021 #30
Finally! Now... stop selling seed oils! Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #26
FINALLY, it's way passed time! nt Raine Jul 2021 #32
Folks here bitching about invasive weeds in this thread... jcgoldie Jul 2021 #34
What do you use on your farm for weed control? NickB79 Jul 2021 #35
I really am an expert in this stuff and invasive species is a tremendous problem to our environment Botany Jul 2021 #38
Ugh... mixed feelings about this. Generic glyphosate will still be legal in the US though. dsp3000 Jul 2021 #40
The patent expired a long time ago. Every hardware store and garden center here has generic versions progressoid Jul 2021 #46
I guess I need to stock up now! What's the shelf-life of the retail bottles? NurseJackie Jul 2021 #47

Phoenix61

(16,949 posts)
9. Goats are a great option or
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 03:12 PM
Jul 2021

The best way to kill kudzu that we have found, is to spray a solution of 1 gallon of vinegar to 1 cup of salt and add a squirt of dishwashing liquid. It may take more than one spraying, but will do the job. It also helps if the day is long and hot after spraying as the sun helps to bake the solution into the plant.Apr 3, 2020

Botany

(70,281 posts)
12. Non native invasive plants are a billion times worse for the environment and the supportive capacity
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 03:23 PM
Jul 2021

.... of our ecosystems then glyphosate. World wide we are losing our biodiversity, insects, birds, critters, and native
plants at a staggeringly high rate and like it or not "round up" is very good tool for ecological restoration. What
is the point in cutting out bush honeysuckle, burning bush, buckthorn, Norway maple, privet, barberry, callery
pear, bittersweet, and so on if it is just going to grow right back?

LeftInTX

(24,541 posts)
13. Salt will sterilize your soil and is much more dangerous than glyphosate.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 03:25 PM
Jul 2021

I can't get goats on my easement

TexasBushwhacker

(20,043 posts)
43. Frankly, we should start harvesting invasive species
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 10:32 AM
Jul 2021

and using the biomass to make biodiesel and other fuels.

Botany

(70,281 posts)
24. Get real. Are you gonna come to the midwest and east the bush honeysuckle too?
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 05:55 PM
Jul 2021


This wooded ecosystem is now pretty much dead thanx to Asian Bush Honeysuckle.
No spring wildflowers, few native trees, no wood thrush, no box turtles, no ...

wackadoo wabbit

(1,160 posts)
33. I pay serious money to buy ground kudzu, which I use as a thickening agent in place of corn starch
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 08:55 PM
Jul 2021

It's actually used as a thickening agent in much of the world.

I remember reading in a book that a Japanese tourist went to the South and commented on how lucky the people were to have such luscious kudzu crops.

Maybe if more people used kudzu as opposed to corn starch, kudzu growing like this would be a boon, not a detriment (and the cessation of RoundUp might help save the bees!).

NickB79

(19,109 posts)
36. And garlic mustard, buckthorn, wild parsnips, etc
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 09:21 PM
Jul 2021

I spent years clearing thousands of buckthorn on the family farm. Nothing killed the roots except herbicide. Cut one down, and it would keep resprouting from the roots for years. But if you don't kill them, they kill off the ephemeral wildflowers and oak seedlings.

My 1,000 sq ft of prairie restoration wouldn't exist without glyphosate to clear the invasive grasses and weeds before seeding, and 5 yr later it's absolutely filled with bees and butterflies annually. The swallowtails and monarchs have been especially thick this year, as the drought has killed off a lot of other flowers in the neighborhood, so my yard is the place to be.

I'm still trying to get a clear photo to prove it, but I'm convinced I've seen rusty-patched bumblebees as well, an endangered species.

LeftInTX

(24,541 posts)
11. Sure doesn't look like it...
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 03:17 PM
Jul 2021

That's where the damage occurs, not by people using it in their yards..Unless the person is kinda crazy....

Also glyphosate is available in many other commercial brands.....

womanofthehills

(8,579 posts)
31. In the first lawsuit, the guy was spraying glyphosate regularly on school grounds
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 07:37 PM
Jul 2021

And had an accident where parts of his body got drenched with Roundup. There were no warning labels on the product saying exposure could cause cancer so he didn’t panic and take a shower immediately. He just rinsed off when he got back to his workspace.

ProfessorGAC

(64,413 posts)
7. They've Been Reformulating...
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 03:03 PM
Jul 2021

...to glufosinate based products for the last 5+ years.
I did some work with them optimizing the phase stability of the emulsification.
So, I'm not surprised at this news. It was just a matter of time.

ProfessorGAC

(64,413 posts)
16. Yes
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 04:01 PM
Jul 2021

Glyphosonate has lower electron density & is a somewhat larger molecule.
The routes of absorption are lower, and the molecule less reactive, so less metabolism.
In theory, it makes it safer. They had safety profile work ongoing back then, but I wasn't privvy to the data, other than basic Right-To-Know info as I was in their facilities working with it.
The basic safety data required for an SDS indicated it was safer, but it wasn't official as the products weren't ready for registration with the EPA & USDA.
So, this is all theoretical based on what I knew in 2016.

ProfessorGAC

(64,413 posts)
45. They Wouldn't Switch If It Wasn't
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 01:23 PM
Jul 2021

Too much bottom line at stake to release an ineffective product, especially in agriculture.
What I recall is it's a bit less so on grasses, but at least as good on broadleaf species.
There's dispute on whether it's actually safer, but the data from 4-5 years ago showed exposure level 3 to 5 times higher hitting the risk threshold. I can't say which side is right.

womanofthehills

(8,579 posts)
18. I just finished Carey Gillam's new book "The Monsanto Papers"
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 04:42 PM
Jul 2021
Deadly Secrets, Corporate Corruption, and One Man's Search for Justice

The Monsanto Papers is the inside story of Lee Johnson’s landmark lawsuit against Monsanto. For Lee, the case was a race against the clock, with doctors predicting he wouldn’t survive long enough to take the witness stand. For the eclectic band of young, ambitious lawyers representing him, it was a matter of professional pride and personal risk, with millions of dollars and hard-earned reputations on the line. For the public at large, the lawsuit presented a question of corporate accountability. With enough money and influence, could a company endanger its customers, hide evidence, manipulate regulators, and get away with it all—for decades?[/di[/div

Pepsidog

(6,252 posts)
19. I have a bamboo invasion in my yard not native to area. Was just reading that this is only
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 04:58 PM
Jul 2021

chemical effective in killing bamboo.

womanofthehills

(8,579 posts)
27. When I had bamboo in my yard, the roots were only about 4 inches deep
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 06:57 PM
Jul 2021

So easy to pull after a rainstorm.

Pepsidog

(6,252 posts)
41. I just had it cut down. Most stalks about 4-5inches round. Guys used chain saw. Haven't removed
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 09:09 AM
Jul 2021

roots yet. May need tractor to dig out but will need to check first.

Champp

(2,114 posts)
21. Thank heavens. Chemo-GMO corporate rations are Profoundly Ungood
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 05:36 PM
Jul 2021

As all intelligent, discerning, non-corporate shill human beings understand.

calimary

(80,693 posts)
22. "... gimme spots on my apples, but leave me the birds and the bees!"
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 05:36 PM
Jul 2021

PLEEEEEASE!

Thank you Joni Mitchell!

womanofthehills

(8,579 posts)
28. AND -Glyphosate in blood of Florida manatees
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 07:16 PM
Jul 2021

New Study Discovers Increasing Levels of Glyphosate in Blood of Florida Manatees
Posted on Mar 20 2021 - 10:59pm by Sustainable Pulse

“A scientific study published last week concludes that Florida manatees are chronically exposed to glyphosate because of application of the herbicide to sugarcane and aquatic weeds.

The study found glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup and the world’s most-used weedkiller, in the plasma of 55.8% of the Florida manatees sampled. The concentration of glyphosate in plasma has increased from 2009 to 2019.

Additionally, the study’s authors determined that glyphosate concentrations in the Caloosahatchee and St. Lucie rivers and Everglades Agricultural Area stormwater treatment areas were significantly higher before and during sugarcane harvesting, when glyphosate is more likely to be applied, than after harvest. “



https://sustainablepulse.com/2021/03/20/florida-manatees-chronically-exposed-to-glyphosate-herbicides-new-study/#.YQMzlFNOIlQ

Politicub

(12,163 posts)
25. Smart move by Bayer to direct attention away from Roundup's use in agriculture.
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 06:11 PM
Jul 2021

Most of the corn and soybeans crops are genetically modified to be resistant to Roundup (Google RoundUp Ready gene for more info). I’m guessing home use of RoundUp is a small portion of the overall market.

Bayer will continue to sell RoundUp to farmers, who use it to control weeds in their fields. They do this by spraying RoundUp on the plant and and ground. Crops with the RoundUp Ready gene are immune to RoundUp’s effects, so (most) weeds die from the herbicide drench while the crop stays alive.

Because RoundUp’s use in agriculture has been in wide use over many years, a handful of weeds are not affected by it — evolution at work. So more modification is done to the genes in seeds to make them immune to other herbicides. The new herbicides get sprayed on plants in addition to RoundUp.

Someone below mentioned bees. Bees are mainly affected by pesticides, especially nicotine-based ones that are taken up by the tissues of the plan. Imidacloprid is the liquid version, and is used heavily in agriculture, too. Because it is a systemic pesticide (it becomes part of the tissues of the plant), it kills insects when they bite into the plant. Bees die from pollen and nectar from Imdicloprid-treated plants.

womanofthehills

(8,579 posts)
30. Also - what is so gross is desiccating crops with glyphosate
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 07:30 PM
Jul 2021

Spraying them right before harvest with glyphosate for more even drying and supposedly sweeter sugar.

Why Is Glyphosate Sprayed on Crops Right Before Harvest?

Glyphosate, the main ingredient in Monsanto's Roundup herbicide, is recognized as the world's most widely used weed killer. What is not so well known is that farmers also use glyphosate on crops such as wheat, oats, edible beans and other crops right before harvest, raising concerns that the herbicide could get into food products.

https://www.ecowatch.com/roundup-cancer-1882187755.html#toggle-gdpr

jcgoldie

(11,582 posts)
34. Folks here bitching about invasive weeds in this thread...
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 09:08 PM
Jul 2021

… have their priorities completely fucked up. In study after study glysophate has been shown to persist through the ecosystem to kill insects including honeybees to be carcinogenic and to be present in food and animals down the chain. I’m a farmer and anything they do to get this off the shelves is a positive step for our health and our world.

NickB79

(19,109 posts)
35. What do you use on your farm for weed control?
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 09:12 PM
Jul 2021

I hope the answer isn't just using multiple passes with the cultivator over the growing season.

Botany

(70,281 posts)
38. I really am an expert in this stuff and invasive species is a tremendous problem to our environment
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 07:58 AM
Jul 2021

BTW glyphosate does not kill honey bees but if used correctly it is wonderful for ecological restoration
which gives our native pollinators and honey bees (non native) plants to support them.



This is a spring beauty ephemeral wildflower with a spring beauty mining bee on it. That little bee is part
of a complex ecosystem and is only "up and around" and depends on the spring beauty for its needs much
like the monarch needs the milkweeds. If the area where the spring beauty is growing gets over run with
non native invasive plants the native ecology loses not only the spring beauty but the spring beauty mining
bee too.

dsp3000

(468 posts)
40. Ugh... mixed feelings about this. Generic glyphosate will still be legal in the US though.
Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:51 AM
Jul 2021

seriously sometimes you need this stuff to kill poison ivy and other nasty stuff that grow in your yards. our subdevelopment has a wooded area that is filled with noxious weeds and invasive plants where all this stuff just starts to creep into our property

and trust me, goats are NOT an option in suburban PA.

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