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Thu Jul 29, 2021, 01:52 PM

Bayer Confirms End of Sale of Glyphosate-Based Herbicides for US Lawn & Garden Market


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Reply Bayer Confirms End of Sale of Glyphosate-Based Herbicides for US Lawn & Garden Market (Original post)
womanofthehills Jul 2021 OP
Tadpole Raisin Jul 2021 #1
Botany Jul 2021 #2
Phoenix61 Jul 2021 #9
Botany Jul 2021 #12
LeftInTX Jul 2021 #13
TexasBushwhacker Jul 2021 #43
Richard D Jul 2021 #20
Botany Jul 2021 #24
wackadoo wabbit Jul 2021 #33
NickB79 Jul 2021 #36
AwakeAtLast Jul 2021 #42
intheflow Jul 2021 #44
lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #3
old guy Jul 2021 #5
LeftInTX Jul 2021 #11
womanofthehills Jul 2021 #31
lagomorph777 Jul 2021 #37
appalachiablue Jul 2021 #23
sinkingfeeling Jul 2021 #29
malaise Jul 2021 #4
luckone Jul 2021 #6
ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #7
LeftInTX Jul 2021 #10
ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #16
LeftInTX Jul 2021 #17
Owl Jul 2021 #39
ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #45
wendyb-NC Jul 2021 #8
Igel Jul 2021 #14
LeftInTX Jul 2021 #15
womanofthehills Jul 2021 #18
Pepsidog Jul 2021 #19
womanofthehills Jul 2021 #27
Pepsidog Jul 2021 #41
Champp Jul 2021 #21
calimary Jul 2021 #22
womanofthehills Jul 2021 #28
Politicub Jul 2021 #25
womanofthehills Jul 2021 #30
Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #26
Raine Jul 2021 #32
jcgoldie Jul 2021 #34
NickB79 Jul 2021 #35
Botany Jul 2021 #38
dsp3000 Jul 2021 #40
progressoid Jul 2021 #46
NurseJackie Jul 2021 #47

Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 01:54 PM

1. This is worth celebrating!

Good to hear it!

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 01:55 PM

2. Enjoy your kudzu

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 02:12 PM

9. Goats are a great option or

The best way to kill kudzu that we have found, is to spray a solution of 1 gallon of vinegar to 1 cup of salt and add a squirt of dishwashing liquid. It may take more than one spraying, but will do the job. It also helps if the day is long and hot after spraying as the sun helps to bake the solution into the plant.Apr 3, 2020

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 02:23 PM

12. Non native invasive plants are a billion times worse for the environment and the supportive capacity

.... of our ecosystems then glyphosate. World wide we are losing our biodiversity, insects, birds, critters, and native
plants at a staggeringly high rate and like it or not "round up" is very good tool for ecological restoration. What
is the point in cutting out bush honeysuckle, burning bush, buckthorn, Norway maple, privet, barberry, callery
pear, bittersweet, and so on if it is just going to grow right back?

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 02:25 PM

13. Salt will sterilize your soil and is much more dangerous than glyphosate.

I can't get goats on my easement

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 09:32 AM

43. Frankly, we should start harvesting invasive species

and using the biomass to make biodiesel and other fuels.

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Response to Richard D (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 04:55 PM

24. Get real. Are you gonna come to the midwest and east the bush honeysuckle too?



This wooded ecosystem is now pretty much dead thanx to Asian Bush Honeysuckle.
No spring wildflowers, few native trees, no wood thrush, no box turtles, no ...

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 07:55 PM

33. I pay serious money to buy ground kudzu, which I use as a thickening agent in place of corn starch

It's actually used as a thickening agent in much of the world.

I remember reading in a book that a Japanese tourist went to the South and commented on how lucky the people were to have such luscious kudzu crops.

Maybe if more people used kudzu as opposed to corn starch, kudzu growing like this would be a boon, not a detriment (and the cessation of RoundUp might help save the bees!).

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 08:21 PM

36. And garlic mustard, buckthorn, wild parsnips, etc

I spent years clearing thousands of buckthorn on the family farm. Nothing killed the roots except herbicide. Cut one down, and it would keep resprouting from the roots for years. But if you don't kill them, they kill off the ephemeral wildflowers and oak seedlings.

My 1,000 sq ft of prairie restoration wouldn't exist without glyphosate to clear the invasive grasses and weeds before seeding, and 5 yr later it's absolutely filled with bees and butterflies annually. The swallowtails and monarchs have been especially thick this year, as the drought has killed off a lot of other flowers in the neighborhood, so my yard is the place to be.

I'm still trying to get a clear photo to prove it, but I'm convinced I've seen rusty-patched bumblebees as well, an endangered species.

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:44 AM

42. I hear it's going places!















Where are all my DU Veterans?

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 01:56 PM

3. About damned time. Now, can we ban its use on food crops?

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 01:59 PM

5. Beat me to it.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 02:17 PM

11. Sure doesn't look like it...

That's where the damage occurs, not by people using it in their yards..Unless the person is kinda crazy....

Also glyphosate is available in many other commercial brands.....

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 06:37 PM

31. In the first lawsuit, the guy was spraying glyphosate regularly on school grounds

And had an accident where parts of his body got drenched with Roundup. There were no warning labels on the product saying exposure could cause cancer so he didnít panic and take a shower immediately. He just rinsed off when he got back to his workspace.

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 11:04 PM

37. So it's perfectly fine to eat it.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 04:49 PM

23. ++

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 06:26 PM

29. +1000

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 01:57 PM

4. Off to the greatest page

Huge news

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 02:00 PM

6. Kick ! Thank you womanofthehills!

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 02:03 PM

7. They've Been Reformulating...

...to glufosinate based products for the last 5+ years.
I did some work with them optimizing the phase stability of the emulsification.
So, I'm not surprised at this news. It was just a matter of time.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 02:16 PM

10. Is there a difference between glyphosate and glyphosonate?

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 03:01 PM

16. Yes

Glyphosonate has lower electron density & is a somewhat larger molecule.
The routes of absorption are lower, and the molecule less reactive, so less metabolism.
In theory, it makes it safer. They had safety profile work ongoing back then, but I wasn't privvy to the data, other than basic Right-To-Know info as I was in their facilities working with it.
The basic safety data required for an SDS indicated it was safer, but it wasn't official as the products weren't ready for registration with the EPA & USDA.
So, this is all theoretical based on what I knew in 2016.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 03:03 PM

17. Thx..nt

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 07:39 AM

39. I hope the new formulation is effective.

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Response to Owl (Reply #39)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 12:23 PM

45. They Wouldn't Switch If It Wasn't

Too much bottom line at stake to release an ineffective product, especially in agriculture.
What I recall is it's a bit less so on grasses, but at least as good on broadleaf species.
There's dispute on whether it's actually safer, but the data from 4-5 years ago showed exposure level 3 to 5 times higher hitting the risk threshold. I can't say which side is right.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 02:10 PM

8. Glad to hear it

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 02:37 PM

14. 2023.

Good. Gives me time to build up a stockpile.

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Response to Igel (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 02:57 PM

15. LOL - I wonder if the knock-off brands will still be available in stores?

Kinda doubt it.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 03:42 PM

18. I just finished Carey Gillam's new book "The Monsanto Papers"

Deadly Secrets, Corporate Corruption, and One Man's Search for Justice

The Monsanto Papers is the inside story of Lee Johnsonís landmark lawsuit against Monsanto. For Lee, the case was a race against the clock, with doctors predicting he wouldnít survive long enough to take the witness stand. For the eclectic band of young, ambitious lawyers representing him, it was a matter of professional pride and personal risk, with millions of dollars and hard-earned reputations on the line. For the public at large, the lawsuit presented a question of corporate accountability. With enough money and influence, could a company endanger its customers, hide evidence, manipulate regulators, and get away with it allófor decades?[/di[/div

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 03:58 PM

19. I have a bamboo invasion in my yard not native to area. Was just reading that this is only

chemical effective in killing bamboo.

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Response to Pepsidog (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 05:57 PM

27. When I had bamboo in my yard, the roots were only about 4 inches deep

So easy to pull after a rainstorm.

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #27)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 08:09 AM

41. I just had it cut down. Most stalks about 4-5inches round. Guys used chain saw. Haven't removed

roots yet. May need tractor to dig out but will need to check first.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 04:36 PM

21. Thank heavens. Chemo-GMO corporate rations are Profoundly Ungood

As all intelligent, discerning, non-corporate shill human beings understand.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 04:36 PM

22. "... gimme spots on my apples, but leave me the birds and the bees!"

PLEEEEEASE!

Thank you Joni Mitchell!

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Response to calimary (Reply #22)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 06:16 PM

28. AND -Glyphosate in blood of Florida manatees

New Study Discovers Increasing Levels of Glyphosate in Blood of Florida Manatees
Posted on Mar 20 2021 - 10:59pm by Sustainable Pulse

ďA scientific study published last week concludes that Florida manatees are chronically exposed to glyphosate because of application of the herbicide to sugarcane and aquatic weeds.

The study found glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup and the worldís most-used weedkiller, in the plasma of 55.8% of the Florida manatees sampled. The concentration of glyphosate in plasma has increased from 2009 to 2019.

Additionally, the studyís authors determined that glyphosate concentrations in the Caloosahatchee and St. Lucie rivers and Everglades Agricultural Area stormwater treatment areas were significantly higher before and during sugarcane harvesting, when glyphosate is more likely to be applied, than after harvest. ď



https://sustainablepulse.com/2021/03/20/florida-manatees-chronically-exposed-to-glyphosate-herbicides-new-study/#.YQMzlFNOIlQ

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 05:11 PM

25. Smart move by Bayer to direct attention away from Roundup's use in agriculture.

Most of the corn and soybeans crops are genetically modified to be resistant to Roundup (Google RoundUp Ready gene for more info). Iím guessing home use of RoundUp is a small portion of the overall market.

Bayer will continue to sell RoundUp to farmers, who use it to control weeds in their fields. They do this by spraying RoundUp on the plant and and ground. Crops with the RoundUp Ready gene are immune to RoundUpís effects, so (most) weeds die from the herbicide drench while the crop stays alive.

Because RoundUpís use in agriculture has been in wide use over many years, a handful of weeds are not affected by it ó evolution at work. So more modification is done to the genes in seeds to make them immune to other herbicides. The new herbicides get sprayed on plants in addition to RoundUp.

Someone below mentioned bees. Bees are mainly affected by pesticides, especially nicotine-based ones that are taken up by the tissues of the plan. Imidacloprid is the liquid version, and is used heavily in agriculture, too. Because it is a systemic pesticide (it becomes part of the tissues of the plant), it kills insects when they bite into the plant. Bees die from pollen and nectar from Imdicloprid-treated plants.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 06:30 PM

30. Also - what is so gross is desiccating crops with glyphosate

Spraying them right before harvest with glyphosate for more even drying and supposedly sweeter sugar.

Why Is Glyphosate Sprayed on Crops Right Before Harvest?

Glyphosate, the main ingredient in Monsanto's Roundup herbicide, is recognized as the world's most widely used weed killer. What is not so well known is that farmers also use glyphosate on crops such as wheat, oats, edible beans and other crops right before harvest, raising concerns that the herbicide could get into food products.

https://www.ecowatch.com/roundup-cancer-1882187755.html#toggle-gdpr

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 05:20 PM

26. Finally! Now... stop selling seed oils!

Big Agra conviced everyone these oils are healthy. They are not.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 07:16 PM

32. FINALLY, it's way passed time! nt

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 08:08 PM

34. Folks here bitching about invasive weeds in this thread...

Ö have their priorities completely fucked up. In study after study glysophate has been shown to persist through the ecosystem to kill insects including honeybees to be carcinogenic and to be present in food and animals down the chain. Iím a farmer and anything they do to get this off the shelves is a positive step for our health and our world.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #34)

Thu Jul 29, 2021, 08:12 PM

35. What do you use on your farm for weed control?

I hope the answer isn't just using multiple passes with the cultivator over the growing season.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #34)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 06:58 AM

38. I really am an expert in this stuff and invasive species is a tremendous problem to our environment

BTW glyphosate does not kill honey bees but if used correctly it is wonderful for ecological restoration
which gives our native pollinators and honey bees (non native) plants to support them.



This is a spring beauty ephemeral wildflower with a spring beauty mining bee on it. That little bee is part
of a complex ecosystem and is only "up and around" and depends on the spring beauty for its needs much
like the monarch needs the milkweeds. If the area where the spring beauty is growing gets over run with
non native invasive plants the native ecology loses not only the spring beauty but the spring beauty mining
bee too.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 07:51 AM

40. Ugh... mixed feelings about this. Generic glyphosate will still be legal in the US though.

seriously sometimes you need this stuff to kill poison ivy and other nasty stuff that grow in your yards. our subdevelopment has a wooded area that is filled with noxious weeds and invasive plants where all this stuff just starts to creep into our property

and trust me, goats are NOT an option in suburban PA.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 01:57 PM

46. The patent expired a long time ago. Every hardware store and garden center here has generic versions

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Fri Jul 30, 2021, 01:58 PM

47. I guess I need to stock up now! What's the shelf-life of the retail bottles?

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