Time to Call out Congress as traitors to America!!!!!!!!!!!

[chille1]

So much has been said about the election , the debates ,the 1% owned media ,Mittwitt Robme ,The Presidents responsibility in all of this . But very little about the 112th congress ,And their total disregard for the offices they ,and the people (Americans ) who sent them there ,We need more outrage ! we can not sit idly by and hope the 1% owned media to carry this message ,we are three weeks away ,The President delivered ,Vice President Biden delivered ,Now it up to you ,Me us to make this case to America ,the internet ,phone calls ,signs , whatever we can use to make this an issue for Americas contious . From Day one they plotted ,schemed ,and acted upon their traitorous tactics to bring down President Obama and I will end with this the only reason Mittwitt Robme is even in this race is because of the traitors in Congress !!!!!!!!!!!

[Scuba]

1. Not everyone in Congress vowed to make Barack a one-term President. But those who did are traitors.

[onenote]

4. A whole lot of people vowed to make Bush a one-term president,

including pretty much everyone here. Does that make us traitors?

[NeuroEcon]

6. I call false equivalency

Why? Because there was not a concerted effort on our side to destroy the nation's economy in order to do so. Democrats think of country first and party second. Republicans think of acquiring and retaining power at all costs.

[onenote]

9. the repubs claim that our side was destroying the economy

opposing another party's proposals, even in a concerted way, doesn't make one a traitor.

I lived through this kind of crap in the 60s when Democrats who opposed the war were accused of trying to destroy the nation and thus were traitors.

It was stupid rhetoric then and its stupid rhetoric now.

There policies aren't traitorous, they're wrong. There is a difference.

[FiveGoodMen]

8. Hmmm. We wanted Bush out because he started wars based on lies

They want Obama out because he might help someone.

We tried to get rid of Bush by reasoning with anyone who would listen.

They're trying to get rid of Obama by lying, cheating, and bringing the nation's economy to its knees.

Would you like to revise your comment now?

[onenote]

10. Nope I don't want to revise

I believe that the policies the repubs would pursue would end up being harmful to the economy. They believe differently. They believe the policies I would have the government pursue would be harmful to the economy. There is no objective arbiter to decide these things. Same thing back during the Vietnam War: I believed the war was immoral, unnecessary and not in the nation's interests. Millions believed, until they were persuaded otherwise, that I was wrong and that my opposition to the war was harmful to the nation's security and future.

Again: one is not a traitor for not going along with your political opposition's policies.

[FiveGoodMen]

12. I gather that you don't think anything is inherently right or wrong.

Just popular or not.

[onenote]

13. You gather wrong

For just one example, as I pointed out, I thought the Vietnam War was immoral and, indeed, I obtained by CO status in the draft on that basis. But who would you suggest as the arbiter of these questions in our system? Should the courts have been asked to decide if the war was wrong? How well do you think that would have turned out? Should the courts be deciding what economic policies are right and which are wrong? Do you think that would turn out well?

In our system of government, these questions are decided through the political process. Not by charging those with whom we disagree "traitors".

[FiveGoodMen]

14. Before we even decide who will judge the cases, we need to decide what the laws are

Example: Lying.

Lying can get millions of people killed, displaced, maimed or otherwise ruined for life (e.g. when lies start a war).

Now, of course, some investigation needs to be done to determine whether lies are being told, but that should be doable since the whole notion of lying is that someone is making a demonstrably false claim.

However...first we have to decide if it's okay to lie and start wars or cheat in elections or send innocent people to jail, etc, etc, etc.

To say "they have their view and I have mine; both might be valid" you either have to believe that lying -- in ways that do real harm -- is acceptable, or else you have to believe they're telling the truth.

If it's the former -- if you're saying that their view is that lying is okay and that's just as valid as the opposite view -- then why even discuss? It's all just a horse race; there's no right and wrong.

If, on the other hand, we're really just discussing whether the other side is lying, then at least we might agree that they shouldn't.

But to the extent that THEY think they should, there's a difference that is not susceptible to polling. A difference that should be carved in stone. A basis for declaring unequivocally that those guys are in the wrong, period.

[NoPasaran]

2. Treason?

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

U.S. Constitution
Article III, Section 3

[ProfessionalLeftist]

3. It's time to VOTE them out.

Donated a bit to the DCCC today and voting straight D ticket. I want those rats out of there!

[chille1]

5. Correct not a broad brush of all ,But a charge to alot of them !!!!!!!

My intent is to point out those who not only participated but put first their hatred of our political system and held this Nation hostage the past two years ,Those who changed positions just to obstruct any passage of bills for the advancement of this Nation ,Which has allowed for this phony ass candidate they pushed through on hate ,Not policy ,Hate ,Not ideas ,Hate . Its time for those to be held accountable for their acts . No matter how this election turns out . We as Americans in the 21st Century should not be subject to such blatant hate of one affecting all. Its ugly ,its wrong and its Treason !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chille1]

7. I am speaking of elected officials not the voter who put them there !

If in my opinion an elected official in a time of crisis or for no other reason than hate vote against the the interest of America ,Republican or Democrat I call it treason because I guarantee you right now not one said elect me and I will vote against our best interest ,Veterans job act ,Farm aide bill ,dream act ,Fair pay act ,ask for abortion votes As amendments ,Filler busting anything the President was for even if they helped draft the bill they are voting against Yes I call it Treason ! Not all have to agree that is my opinion.

[onenote]

11. You're entitled to your opinion. Just not to your own version of the Constitution

which clearly defines "treason" and that definition doesn't encompass what you're calling treason.

[FiveGoodMen]

15. So we need a word that means "a completely unacceptable betrayal of the American people"

What do you suggest?

[onenote]

16. I suggest "Vote Democratic."