Let It Rip

These days we also call it FA and find out.

Innocent children will die. They can't be vaccinated yet. It's true that they're far less vulnerable than old folks, but they're not invulnerable.

There seems to be no means to prevent it. Children will die for the convenience of their reckless elders.

So finally, they've achieved some consistency. It's their right to kill others or let them die to preserve their rights. On a broader perspective, you'd have to say there is consistency. Their in favor of preserving "rights" that will lead to others death or suffering, and opposed to actions that would cause people to question if anyone has the right to kill or inflict pain and suffering on others.

really don't know how to responsibly exercise their free wills both for themselves and the interests of others.

I gotta conclude that they don't really know they have this problem, and that they're not amenable to learning how their choices maximize their lives and the lives of others, or they don't know how to learn, and that their problem of free will irresponsibility might lead to others' deaths (I don't know about the "kill" part); iow, they always deny they have a responsibility problem, and so learn the hard way while others suffer. They're the ones who don't know how to participate in this democracy, and yet benefit because others do.

Without institutional maintenance (schools, public health systems, media) of human development, we end up with a lot of unknowing humans who are a drag on life, liberty, property and national problem solving for the rest who do know how to look out for theirs and others' best democratic interests. They're a blight on the nation, not just the body politic.

(and yes, the original poster of the video tagged it with the wrong movie source)

It’s probably going to end up being a lesson in social Darwinism to some degree. If it were just affecting those who choose to ignore precautions I wouldn’t particularly care, but there will be collateral damage.

Their parent will not get vaccinated or wear masks. I wonder who they will blame if their children die.

and then kills it, I guess!

according to RWNJs

might get a few to question why they vote reQublican

but you are correct, republicans in leadership roles will twist voting rights to their advantage.

from Army Vet '71-'73

Problem is, every day carries a story about some wanker “.., I should’a got the vaccine.”

We’ve all read them or seen ‘em on the 6 O’clock.

It just doesn’t get through to ‘em because…

The microchip.
The vac hasn’t been ‘proved by the E.P.A. ..
Jesus will see me through it.
Hillary’s emails.
If I ain’t gotten it yet,..

Because of Freedumb.

In this country you can't use your religion to withhold healthcare to your kids: The docs can get court orders. So it should be with the vax. Period.

and if we can't pull that off, vaccination cards to be out in public. No vaccine?
Then you get to stay home as you are a threat to others.

The federal and state governments both have the legal right to set the terms of employment for their employees, who total in the tens of millions. California and NY are leading in the states, and Biden has laid down the hammer on federal employees & the military. That is an excellent start.

In addition, businesses also have that right, and some familiar names are letting it be known.

There’s hope that enough holdouts will see the light. Not all of them, by any means, but enough. Fingers crossed.

At least I understand the distrust the urban black community has.

by dropping a Samuel Johnson "concentrates the mind" reference. Responsible people would advocate a public policy that actually saves lives.

Typical conservative attitude from Andrew Sullivan.

I don't believe that is the way to go, because it will extend the pandemic.

I believe that it was CDC that has announced that we are 2 maybe 3 strains away from the vaccine being non-effective.
That means having to produce a new vaccine, test then administer again, knowing these nut-jobs won't get vaccinated anyway, so it prolongs the pandemic while the virus mutates into a strain that will be resistant to anything we develop.

Those that can, get vaccinated. Those who can't, we need to protect by being vaccinated ourselves and have them tested periodically, so that this virus disappears completely, everywhere.

to encourage those who refuse to get the vaccine to do so?

I'm fresh out; Sullivan isn't advocating anything, just suggesting this could be their end game.

Let reality persuade the delusional and deranged. Pretty much advocates get sick and/or die.

I think we should do what France is doing.
After announcing restrictions, more than 1.7M people made vaccination appointments within 24 hours.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/world/france-covid-vaccine-pass-protests.html

that would be a smart thing to do, though I suspect there'd be a growth industry of fake vax cards.

With all the anti-counterfeit capability our government has, you'd think that they
could have made vaccine cards, credit card size and maybe even credit card like
with anti-counterfeit CDC Logo along with embossed information like name,
and dates vaccinated and which vaccine.

Also, the cost of providing so much medical care would be astronomical, and it would have to be borne by the vaccinated survivors.

where andrew sullivan is used as a source of policy?

Yipes.

not a 'source of policy'. But he's got a point because so many of these yahoos aren't listening.