So when the enemy sets up an IED on a road to attack the troops on their turf, that's evil.

The Taliban are also invaders. And at least we can say that we are there with the permission of the democratically elected government.

. . . who are we to call them "invaders?"

They crushed the resistance. Classic invasion. I remember following the rise in 1996 and the efforts of the Northern Alliance to defeat them.

And second of all, why the fuck does the United States even need to be involved? It ain't our fight.

Because no one of age a decade ago would ask such a silly question.

Let us say that I am old enough to know that Bush lied to get us over there.

We didn't even fight that long after Pearl Harbor.

What the fuck do you want, the army to grind all of Afghanistan into a graveyard over 9/11?

We're still ahead.

Got any? I'd like to see it. And NO, i am not going to just BELIEVE because someone orders me to fucking believe. Not happening. Ever. Period. I may not have been born when the Gulf of Tonkin hoax came along but I read history and I learn from it. And I was born when we were lied to about Saddam.

I'd like to see proof that
1) These so-called Taliban are foreign invaders and not citizens of the country; and
2) That they are not little more than declared enemies of the state.

#1 - because this may very well be a conflict between the government and its own citizens, which means we've got no reason to be intervening in an internal conflict; and
#2 - because these governments may be outsourcing to us to put down pockets of armed dissent.

I'm sure there are cases where outsiders are moving into foreign countries over there to cause trouble, but so far there is absolutely no proof of specific cases, that justify a specific attack by Americans. Any official that argues "just believe us, we know what's good for you" is full of shit and is not ever to be trusted. EVER.

Most importantly, however, there is no PROVEN threat posed by anyone in the Middle East to anyone on American soil. So whether or not we're invited by some foreign government or not, we still have no business being there. Any war powers act or other legal authority given to put troops or materiel out there is based on lies, and is thus fraudulent, therefore illegitimate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

Read up.

For all we know, they're just people that the government of Afghanistan doesn't like.

Who knows?

Where is the proof?

And why does America need to be involved?

and didn't start again until April, tells me they were waiting until the mountain passages were open again so they could come back in with their fresh stock of troops and supplies.

But what do I know, I was only there for a year.

If you weren't there, they wouldn't be shooting at you.

Our Government needs to pull out. NOW.

They are not all foreign fighters in the taliban , not even close...

I remember reading about there takeover and the horrible atrocities they committed back in 96. I've disliked them ever since. I distinctly remember the assassination of Massoud, leader of the Northern Alliance on Sept 9, 2001.

In some ways we are responsible for the breeding ground that happened after the Soviet war.

We could have done things differently.

Our Cold War tactics and foreign policy were awful for many places whose only "crime" was to be between us and the Soviet union.

That's the mindset.

Rummy.

The Americans are not trying to kill innocent people, and in fact, try not to harm anyone other than the intended targets.

The IED guys are committing acts of terror: that is, they are intentionally trying to kill innocent people, including troops who are not targeting them. Now, IF the IED guys are targets, that makes them the enemy in a time of war.

It's like fighting off the Nazis in France in WWII. A lot of French people got killed by allied troops. It was unintentional. That's not the same as murder/terrorism.

that anyone we're hitting, are actually any threat to America.

Why do I feel like I said all this before, yet no one is addressing that?

We are there to destabilize it because the minute it does become stable.

Guess where all those foreign fighters go , with the Taliban?

in the 9/11/2001 attack on this country. I prefer Special Forces instead of regular troops.

This isn't about 9/11 anymore.