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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 12:44 PM Aug 2021

I was so naive when the Trumpers stormed the Capitol, so sadly naive....

I remember watching the mob storm the Capitol and thinking "They have finally gone too far; surely, this must be political suicide for Trump and the rethugs."

I totally underestimated the nativist, white-supremacist, anti-democratic nature of half the US electorate.

My bad.

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I was so naive when the Trumpers stormed the Capitol, so sadly naive.... (Original Post) bluewater Aug 2021 OP
I've been there so many times that I've stopped counting. There is no bottom. nt Biophilic Aug 2021 #1
And now, Covid. peppertree Aug 2021 #2
LA has a Democratic governor, low vax rates, and the highest case rate Warpy Aug 2021 #13
I'm referring to these Deep South governors and Noem/Rickets types - certainly not all GOP governors peppertree Aug 2021 #21
That's because Republicans have turned into a party of followers Warpy Aug 2021 #28
Exactly - that's why it's so easy for far-right GOP figures to pull these schemes peppertree Aug 2021 #29
Yep Ohioboy Aug 2021 #52
john bel edwards is doing his best, but the repybs are heavy majorities in the legislature rampartc Aug 2021 #47
It's possible that's part of their master plan for the midterms KS Toronado Aug 2021 #23
I certainly hope they won't peppertree Aug 2021 #25
It's entirely possible some reQublican with inside information KS Toronado Aug 2021 #34
Absolutely. If it's true, we need to know peppertree Aug 2021 #37
I fear that their plan for the midterms is voter suppression AdamGG Aug 2021 #31
I fear to many in our camp will believe shit like this KS Toronado Aug 2021 #35
++++1,000,000 NJCher Aug 2021 #45
Sadly yes seta1950 Aug 2021 #19
Like many I was certain TFG was kaput when he insulted John McCain. Tadpole Raisin Aug 2021 #3
I thought he was done with the "grab them by the pussy" comment. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2021 #42
Underestimate indeed. Every day my underestimation gets deeper and deeper. Pepsidog Aug 2021 #4
I called my Mom the day that tape came out of Trump talking about women Thtwudbeme Aug 2021 #5
You are not alone, there are millions of us. NoMoreRepugs Aug 2021 #6
"Republicans can do no wrong and Democrats can do no right." dalton99a Aug 2021 #7
You're correct KS Toronado Aug 2021 #20
Seems that way, doesn't it? Ferrets are Cool Aug 2021 #33
I felt the same, especially after a few Republicans spoke out against the attack. Lonestarblue Aug 2021 #8
His whole campaign was based on racism hibbing Aug 2021 #9
There is no bottom for this type. SunSeeker Aug 2021 #10
I thought all of the traitors would be in jail by now. panader0 Aug 2021 #11
I never thought that. Even under the best circumstances of accountability... Silent3 Aug 2021 #18
I thought at least a few of them might be facing charges by now. calimary Aug 2021 #30
My generation disgusts me. Nt BootinUp Aug 2021 #12
Don't be too hard on yourself bucolic_frolic Aug 2021 #14
I fgured not much would happen, that they would deflect blame as much as possible though LymphocyteLover Aug 2021 #15
You can never have too low an opinion of white evangelical conservatives. enki23 Aug 2021 #16
I totally underestimated the lawmaker conspiracy behind it. ananda Aug 2021 #17
Sadly true Joinfortmill Aug 2021 #22
Remember This BaronChocula Aug 2021 #24
We didn't, couldn't, wouldn't - act fast enough after it happened to catch the wave of outrage. hadEnuf Aug 2021 #26
Not naive. 81 million of us have held hope that the depravities of humans are still treatable. ancianita Aug 2021 #27
I understand completely. Ferrets are Cool Aug 2021 #32
I'm sure many of us felt the same. BobTheSubgenius Aug 2021 #36
New evidence reveals TFG came a lot closer to pulling off a coup than any of us realized LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #38
Average IQ is around 100. Woodwizard Aug 2021 #39
Not to mention the republican Congress. n/t Mr.Bill Aug 2021 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Richard D Aug 2021 #41
hate media created a monster. pansypoo53219 Aug 2021 #43
I've been waiting since Jan 6th for some retaliation. Aussie105 Aug 2021 #44
Not half though. SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2021 #46
Me too! Maine Abu El Banat Aug 2021 #48
I knew we would be where we are at now Cosmocat Aug 2021 #49
Many of us were desperately issuing emergency warnings to people about the rise Roisin Ni Fiachra Aug 2021 #50
Me too. I thought the Capitol riot would have done it. Ohioboy Aug 2021 #51
I don't think it's half the electorate radical noodle Aug 2021 #53
Racism is primal. Growing up in the racists South Edwcraig Aug 2021 #54

peppertree

(21,529 posts)
2. And now, Covid.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 01:32 PM
Aug 2021

This much is obvious by now:

deSatan - and the other Deep South GOP governors - are trying to let this get as bad as possible, to be used next year in the mid-terms.

Democrats need to start talking about it in those terms (just as Repugs would - over much, much less), or the ploy might actually work.

Warpy

(110,908 posts)
13. LA has a Democratic governor, low vax rates, and the highest case rate
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:01 PM
Aug 2021

in the whole country. It's not just the governors, VT and MA both have GOP governors. It's the culture and especially the religious culture. It's pervasive and toxic and values pissing off the Yankees, the college boys, and the US government above their own lives and wraps it up in a nasty little package of false and ignorant piety.

And televangelism has exported it.

This is where we are and I don't think losing friends and family or even children to Covid will make a difference. Jebus saves but it's god's will they got whacked by a preventable disease, soldiers against the government and the elites, all.

It seems all bad governors are Republican, but not all Republicans are bad governors. We have a glaring exception or two to good governance on our side, also.

I think it's best to point the fiinger at what's really at work, a culture based on televised lies and misplaced faith in them.

peppertree

(21,529 posts)
21. I'm referring to these Deep South governors and Noem/Rickets types - certainly not all GOP governors
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:15 PM
Aug 2021

But it's obvious by now that it's deliberate.

Somewhere, in some computer, there's a memo going around among Repugs to "wait until the 1,000,000 dead milestone is reached" - to then hammer Biden with that number non-stop.

And of course the only real way to get there by the '22 midterms, is to deliberately propagate it (or try to, anyway).

There's not much we should put past these people anymore. Anything to win.

A.ny.thing.

Warpy

(110,908 posts)
28. That's because Republicans have turned into a party of followers
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:42 PM
Aug 2021

and the people they are most slavishly following are their most ignorant voters.

It's one reason the party no longer has policies, only outrage over a culture war that they started.

So in that sense, you bet it's deliberate. They're people pleasing, not governing. They're terrified to make policy decisions the loudmouths will hate, like protecting everyone in public.

peppertree

(21,529 posts)
29. Exactly - that's why it's so easy for far-right GOP figures to pull these schemes
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:47 PM
Aug 2021

Their zombies react on lockstep - not just on command anymore, but by merely implying that's what you want.

It's an Orwellian dream - or nightmare, given what's at stake here.

rampartc

(5,263 posts)
47. john bel edwards is doing his best, but the repybs are heavy majorities in the legislature
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 07:04 AM
Aug 2021

and the evangelists are no help. atty gen landry (r of course) is issuing guidelines for "religious objection" to the mask mandate.

KS Toronado

(16,908 posts)
23. It's possible that's part of their master plan for the midterms
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:23 PM
Aug 2021

and of course the MAGA crowd will eat it up, but the independent voters in the middle won't buy that shit.
And neither will we.

peppertree

(21,529 posts)
25. I certainly hope they won't
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:34 PM
Aug 2021

And just as much, I hope that if indeed this is deliberate on their part (99% chance), that hard, smoking gun-type evidence comes out - like it did against Crisco in Bridgegate.

But can it?

KS Toronado

(16,908 posts)
34. It's entirely possible some reQublican with inside information
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 03:01 PM
Aug 2021

might come to the conclusion that killing people for political gain is wrong (if that's part of their master
plan) and go public with what they know. If that happens, reQublicOns will have a hard time electing
anyone for years to come. There's been quite a few big name reQublicans that have quit their party
because they didn't like the direction the party was going in, think Lincoln Project. So if we find one
more turncoat that values life over misinformation, then, "Happy Days Are Here Again"
Maybe we should ask Lincoln Project to look into it.

AdamGG

(1,275 posts)
31. I fear that their plan for the midterms is voter suppression
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:54 PM
Aug 2021

and that they've taken enough measures that it will work.

KS Toronado

(16,908 posts)
35. I fear to many in our camp will believe shit like this
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 03:10 PM
Aug 2021

and decide not to go vote because it's rigged against us. There's a big wave of anti-reQublicanism sweeping
this country, we need to help bring it on shore. Negative attitudes do not help our side.

NJCher

(35,427 posts)
45. ++++1,000,000
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 02:34 AM
Aug 2021

Expressing negative emotions does nothing to advance the discussion. Nor does it solve any problems.

Keep it to yourself or better yet donate some $$ so we can compete with these creeps.

Tadpole Raisin

(972 posts)
3. Like many I was certain TFG was kaput when he insulted John McCain.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 01:34 PM
Aug 2021

After that I just gave up believing these people had any soul or conscience.

42. I thought he was done with the "grab them by the pussy" comment.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 11:07 PM
Aug 2021

All he had to do is say he would only appoint anti-abortion judges and the "Moral Majority" rolled over like puppies wanting their bellies rubbed.

 

Thtwudbeme

(7,737 posts)
5. I called my Mom the day that tape came out of Trump talking about women
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 01:38 PM
Aug 2021

We were both positive- absolutely positive- that was the end of that campaign. Surely no woman would vote for him- surely ministers would speak out. The old time GOP members were going to start talking about his dropping out.

Nope.

They don't care. About anyone or any thing. At all- zero.

KS Toronado

(16,908 posts)
20. You're correct
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:15 PM
Aug 2021

That's all FQX no-news, 7QQ club and all the rest of right wing media promotes. Us good and them bad.
And they have been doing it for 20 plus years, no wonder their followers are brainwashed. Remember
watching my dad and his friends argue back in the early 60's if there was ever another civil war would
it be rich vs poor or black vs white, they settled on rich vs poor. It now appears the reQublicans want
a reQublican vs Democrats civil war which is wrong on so many fronts. Think I'll have a T-shirt made up
that says "REMEMBER JAN. 6th" to wear in my red town.

Lonestarblue

(9,880 posts)
8. I felt the same, especially after a few Republicans spoke out against the attack.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 01:52 PM
Aug 2021

Most of them quickly changed their tune and decided that insurrection is a great way to overturn legal elections. The Big Lie became the talking point and the insurrectionists became regular tourists as Republicans began rewriting history to fit their lies.

State Republicans got busy writing laws to allow them to overturn elections in their states without the need for a violent mob. I think it is impossible to overestimate the depravity of the Republican Party and the despicable tactics they will use to win elections, even at the cost of our country.

As a Texas resident, I know that Democrats will not be able to hold off the voter nullification laws indefinitely. I will most likely not be affected because I’m the demographic Republicans favor, although I live in a Democratic city and voters in such cities will be the target for nullification. Republicans are more likely to target Harris County (Houston) and El Paso with more minority voters. One proposed part of the new law is to allow poll observers to challenge voters, no doubt hoping to intimidate them and to cause them to leave without voting. Current law allows poll observers to interact only with the elections workers. There are many more nasty things in the proposed law, such as the change from requiring a signature on a mail ballot to be matched to a signature that is six years old or less. The new law would allow the poll workers to choose which signature they use for matching, so they could choose a signature from 30 years ago that is no longer a perfect match since our signatures change as we age. Ballots have been tossed in the past for minor issues like this.

And with census data set to release soon (I think this month), Republicans will quickly gerrymander the state to gain more seats in the House. That’s why I just do not understand Democrats in the Senate. They know what will happen and they know the House will be lost unless they pass a law that does away with gerrymandering. Yet they delay and delay. It will soon be too late because once new districts are drawn, the courts are likely to allow their use in 2022, no matter how skewed they are, since Texas gained a seat for the House and the old districts would not account for that seat.

Perhaps it’s because I live in a red state with a bunch of wackos in charge, but I feel democracy and our future slipping away day by day.

hibbing

(10,076 posts)
9. His whole campaign was based on racism
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 01:54 PM
Aug 2021

I have distanced myself from coworkers who I know are "conservative" because of this. The whole party is now a white nationalist party.

Peace

SunSeeker

(51,368 posts)
10. There is no bottom for this type.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 01:55 PM
Aug 2021

They were fine with ripping nursing babies from their mother's breast and putting the babies in a cage.

Silent3

(15,018 posts)
18. I never thought that. Even under the best circumstances of accountability...
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:10 PM
Aug 2021

…our legal system never ever works that fast, especially for lawyered-up privileged rich white people whose wrong-doing happens all or partly behind the scenes.

calimary

(80,694 posts)
30. I thought at least a few of them might be facing charges by now.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:51 PM
Aug 2021

Not trump yet. But at least a few of ‘em.

No justice yet, though. And we need it!

bucolic_frolic

(42,673 posts)
14. Don't be too hard on yourself
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:05 PM
Aug 2021

They tried to make the insurrection appear like redneck grass roots. We weren't supposed to discover it was a planned coup d'etat from the very top. Which means, they thought that disorganized rabble would succeed, and - get this - they thought Donnie had all the bases covered!!

They've spent six months trying to sell the narrative to the country, but now it's unraveling. Question is, will the truth outshine Fox News and the traitors who planned it?

LymphocyteLover

(5,601 posts)
15. I fgured not much would happen, that they would deflect blame as much as possible though
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:06 PM
Aug 2021

I hoped that they would indeed FINALLY FACE SOME FUCKING REPERCUSSIONS.

GODDAMN THE FUCKING TREASONOUS GOP, THERE IS NO DOUBT HOW EVIL THEY ARE ANYMORE, IS ALL I CAN SAY.

enki23

(7,786 posts)
16. You can never have too low an opinion of white evangelical conservatives.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:07 PM
Aug 2021

They will always underperform your hopes and overperform your fears.

ananda

(28,783 posts)
17. I totally underestimated the lawmaker conspiracy behind it.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:08 PM
Aug 2021

I never underestimate the GOP or the rightwing media.

BaronChocula

(1,457 posts)
24. Remember This
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:25 PM
Aug 2021

Republican presidential candidates have won the popular vote four times in the last 45 years. There's way more of us. We just need to activate those people to vote in every election at every level in every place. (And I'm well aware of attempts at voter suppression and I have factored this in)

hadEnuf

(2,150 posts)
26. We didn't, couldn't, wouldn't - act fast enough after it happened to catch the wave of outrage.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:40 PM
Aug 2021

Americans have the attention span of a goldfish, not withstanding the Fox / Right Wing brainwashing that has now gone absolutely delusional.

The GQP has once again seized the narrative. You'd think we'd be wise to it by now, after the 500th time.

It's way, way, way, way past time we started beating them at their own game.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
27. Not naive. 81 million of us have held hope that the depravities of humans are still treatable.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 02:40 PM
Aug 2021

It looks pretty bad, but maybe they still are.

However, this is definitely still a House Divided. The brokenness can be depressing.

The cracks in the foundation of the longest standing house of democracy led to cracks in the infrastructure.

For generations we've tried to mend the structural racism of the House Divided. Meanwhile others profited from increasing the problems divisions, chaos, horizontal violence. It could have always been about the difference in the pace of truth that mends and lies that divide.

Besides, as the vilest Writer has his Readers, so the greatest Liar has his Believers; and it often happens, that if a Lie be believ’d only for an Hour, it has done its Work, and there is no farther occasion for it. Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it; so that when Men come to be undeceiv’d, it is too late; the Jest is over, and the Tale has had its Effect…


But with nullification of the popular vote, it's possible that no matter how right our current system, covid and climate or one doubting senator will worsen and break it. Then the long lurking, parasitic, insurgent libertarian billionaires, with their shell companies, armed chaos agents and political tools will purge those who've resisted them through Rule of Law.

It's still possible to win. Beat this down. Their side deeply believes they're right, too, and that we're the evil ones. So we're seeing if the next two years will reveal more about the resilience of truth over lies in the house of democracy. (just throwing in the graphic cuz I liked it)

I feel your thoughtful post, so thanks.



BobTheSubgenius

(11,535 posts)
36. I'm sure many of us felt the same.
Sat Aug 7, 2021, 03:27 PM
Aug 2021

I thought the repercussions were going to be massive and immediate. I guess we don't know modern society very well, do we?

Response to bluewater (Original post)

Aussie105

(5,213 posts)
44. I've been waiting since Jan 6th for some retaliation.
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 02:11 AM
Aug 2021

Within the confines of the law of course.

I expected the rioters to be dealt with swiftly and severely, and those behind the scenes to be weeded out and hauled before a court.

I'm still waiting.

My biggest fear? That it will all brew up again. And succeed.

Maine Abu El Banat

(3,479 posts)
48. Me too!
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 08:10 AM
Aug 2021

Surely it would turn the country against Trump. We have to remember they live in a info bubble, they are not getting the facts.

Cosmocat

(14,543 posts)
49. I knew we would be where we are at now
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 08:19 AM
Aug 2021

With them wildly grasping to it never happening, its being unfairly portrayed, it was BLM ... Knew the party would do everything to stimie efforts to uncover the roots of it ... knew a bunch of dumbasses would take the fall for it while the people who fomented it slide away untouched...

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
50. Many of us were desperately issuing emergency warnings to people about the rise
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 08:37 AM
Aug 2021

of aggressive fascism, and potential for insurrection, among the hopelessly ignorant and tragically stupid in rural America.

For years.

We were often characterized as fear mongering tin foil hatters.

I'm warning everyone right here and now, it is worse now than it has ever been. The hopelessly ignorant and tragically stupid are seething with blind rabid rage all across rural America, and they are a powder keg with a lit fuse getting ready to explode. They are armed and dangerous, and all rational people everywhere in the US must stand united against them in order to drive the fascist from power everywhere that we possibly can.

Keeping the fascists under control, and eradicating Covid, are our number one priorities right now. If the fascists take control, democracy, and everything else, is lost.

As Manchin and Sinema fiddle, democracy dies.

Ohioboy

(3,222 posts)
51. Me too. I thought the Capitol riot would have done it.
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 08:45 AM
Aug 2021

For some reason a lot people in this country are willing to let themselves be led into throwing away democracy.

radical noodle

(7,990 posts)
53. I don't think it's half the electorate
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 10:31 AM
Aug 2021

maybe just 35% or so but they're rage-filled, loud, and determined. We must be more determined than they are.

Edwcraig

(287 posts)
54. Racism is primal. Growing up in the racists South
Sun Aug 8, 2021, 12:07 PM
Aug 2021

racism was and is acceptable to the majority of whites. The Democratic Party of the South rejected racism by supporting the Voting Rights and Civil Rights Acts spawning the creation of the "modern" Republican Party of the South. The Grand Ole Party having experienced the massive defeat of the conservative philosophy of Barry Goldwater, adopted these racists and wrapped them in the conservative blanket to give the party respectability. The Grand Ole Party thought they could control these demonic new voters. After 50 years it is now obvious that these evil people have taken over the republican party. The Grand Ole Party is dead. Because of the Democratic Party hopefully America can survive.

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