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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCovid Outbreaks Tied to Music Festivals Raise Outdoor Transmission Concerns
Note that in NYC the Mayor has "homecoming" music festivals scheduled for August 16-21
These events are the warning shot across the bow, says Dr. Emily Landon, executive medical director for infection prevention and control at the University of Chicago Medical Center. She also points to the numerous cases reportedly tied to Julys Verknipt Festival in the Netherlands, which was also held outdoors. I think were finding it does matter what you do outdoors, Landon adds. And even though people are vaccinated, it looks like we may need to be more careful with super-crowded events.
Ocelot II
(115,576 posts)it stands to reason that viruses won't be dissipated just because you're outside; you'll be breathing them in from the people next to you before they (the viruses, not the people) can float away. Seems pretty obvious.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)They were all vacdinated, not closely packed in.
26 people attended. 3 days later 2 had symptoms.
Testing revealed 21 of the 26 tested positive.
So far, 12 of the 26 have shown symptoms.
1 hospitalization. However, he was compromised, underlying cardiac issues.
[Still makes me more careful].
duforsure
(11,884 posts)Spreading worst that other variants out there, even outdoors. I've seen reports where people more than 6 feet apart got the virus.
sanatanadharma
(3,687 posts)Smoke from the west coast reaches the east coast.
It is no big deal for virus to float on the breeze from one side of the festival to another.
Viral load suggests having and sharing; however, how small a load can still infect?
NickB79
(19,224 posts)Good times coming in a few weeks.
tanyev
(42,514 posts)People going in and out of a nearby structure or port-a-potties provides a rich transmission environment for the Delta variant.
wiggs
(7,809 posts)Klaralven
(7,510 posts)No talking, yelling, cheering, shouting, etc. all of which spew clouds of saliva and snot droplets laden with viral particles.
MisterNiceKitty
(422 posts)"Over the weekend, Lollapalooza made its sweaty, crowded, and almost completely unmasked return to Chicagos Grant Park. With over 100,000 people attending each of the four days proof of vaccination or a negative COVID test in hand the scene looked like a pre-pandemic flashback, complete with mosh pits, crowd surfing, and other decidedly nonsocially distanced activities. Even a couple of weeks ago, this might not have been alarming, but were in the Delta variants firm grip now."
For the Homecoming event:
"Even with the lax vaccine requirement, the question of whether or not to attend depends on density for Ompad: If its expected to be packed, she would avoid it. Even if it was the entire Wu-Tang and they brought Ol Dirty Bastard back from the dead, I would not go to a full capacity concert in August if Delta is still circulating at the level that its circulating at right now, she said. Mosh pits are also a nonstarter. Theres all sorts of fluids flying everywhere. People are sweaty. Theyre yelling. If one of my friends told me they were in the midst of a mosh pit, I would say, Ill talk to you in two weeks after youve been tested, she said. With both LL Cool J and Andrea Bocelli on the bill, its hard to say exactly what the crowd will be like though it seems safe to say that mosh pits probably wont be a factor.
While Mayor de Blasio is now encouraging New Yorkers to wear masks inside again, the city has not released new requirements for the concert or other major outdoor events. I would tell people to think about how crowded it is going to be, how much theyre going to be able to space out from people who are not in their social network or in their household, and whether or not they think they can wear a mask for the whole time, says Ompad. But really, she admits, I would just think twice about going to a concert like that right now.
https://www.curbed.com/2021/08/nyc-central-park-concert-delta-variant.html
helpisontheway
(5,004 posts)in May when masks were still required. We were a bit uneasy but did everything we could to remain safe. My son wants to go to another amusement park before he leaves for University in two weeks. We planned to do it prior to Delta. However, we feel uneasy with Delta plus no masks required in the park. We are going to try to figure out another safe trip that does not require us to be around a lot of other people.
littlemissmartypants
(22,548 posts)Through "fleeting contact" and has 1000 times the viral load of the original variant. Fleeting contact, let's let that sink in.
MisterNiceKitty
(422 posts)This was published in Forbes back in June. So nobody can say there hasn't been significant advanced warning.
"The increased transmissibility of the Delta variant is a dire concern. In Sydney, Australia, several people were infected in fleeting non-physical contact in a cafe and a shopping mall. CCTV footage revealed two people walking past each other while at a mall transmitting the virus. NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian told reporters in Sydney that "We also need to recognize that this Delta variant... is actually a gold medallist when it comes to jumping from one person to another,". As the cluster of cases grew to 110, Sydney has entered a two week lockdown to curb further spread of the highly infectious variant amongst a largely unvaccinated population. The city of Darwin has also entered a separate two-day lockdown after a handful of cases were linked to a Delta variant outbreak on a remote mine."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/06/28/infection-through-fleeting-contact-with-the-delta-variant-leads-to-lockdowns-across-australia/
wiggs
(7,809 posts)just a tip: highlight a phrase in a quote and search on that (right-click) to bring up a result
Initech
(100,029 posts)So yeah of course put a bunch of rabid MAGAs and anti-vaxxers in a room or outdoor space and that's exactly what will happen!
I would be inclined to think people at a rock festival or concert would have a higher percentage of vaccinated people there.