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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 01:48 PM

dajoki (10,673 posts)

Jeffrey Toobin is a special kind of moron

I mean what possible reason or purpose could he use an excuse for writing such a piece of drivel? Unless he has completely gone over to the alternative reality world of right wing quackery after his zoom embarrassment. CNN shouldn't have even thought about publishing such nonsense.


Attorney General Merrick Garland, don't prosecute Donald Trump
By Jeffrey Toobin, CNN
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/16/opinions/donald-trump-attorney-general-garland-toobin/index.html

(CNN)Did Donald Trump commit federal crimes in his final, desperate attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election?

The latest revelations about Trump's final days in office demonstrate that his behavior was, at a minimum, outrageous. He pressured his acting attorney general, Jeffrey Rosen, to open an investigation of purported fraud in the vote count in Georgia, even though there was no evidence of such wrongdoing. In one call, Trump apparently directed Rosen to "just say the election was corrupt, [and] leave the rest to me

Trump also allegedly engineered the departure of the United States attorney in Georgia when he refused to pursue Trump's false claims. In addition, Trump's statements at a rally in Washington, DC, on January 6 are said to have led his supporters to storm the Capitol later that day. For some distinguished lawyers, this evidence provides a roadmap for Merrick Garland, the attorney general, to direct a criminal investigation of the former president.

To which I'd respond: not so fast. It's one thing to describe the former president's behavior as disgraceful and wrong -- and I'd share that view -- but quite another to argue that Trump should be criminally prosecuted. Based on the available evidence, there is no basis to prosecute Trump and little reason even to open a criminal investigation.

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Reply Jeffrey Toobin is a special kind of moron (Original post)
 dajoki Aug 2021 OP
LineReply I Agree
 ProfessorGAC Aug 2021 #1
LineReply Don't forget: this is the guy who was caught "tugging his toobin" on a zoom call.
 zuul Aug 2021 #2
LineLineReply This message was self-deleted by its author
 Chin music Aug 2021 #5
LineLineLineReply Tube-Snake Toobin.
 lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #27
LineLineReply Did he ever even try to offer a credible mea culpa?
 belpejic Aug 2021 #11
LineLineLineReply He kind of apologized and he says he was in therapy.
 zuul Aug 2021 #17
LineLineReply Maybe tugging his toobin doesn't make you go blind as our grandparents
 Bev54 Aug 2021 #23
LineReply He wants to be the Trump legal quack heir to Dershowitz, it would seem
 hlthe2b Aug 2021 #3
LineLineReply That was exactly what I thought n/t
 dajoki Aug 2021 #21
LineReply Hand that man Jeffrey a spank mag
 belpejic Aug 2021 #4
LineLineReply . . .
 zuul Aug 2021 #8
LineReply Why does he
 mzmolly Aug 2021 #6
LineLineReply Especially after his epic hand job? n/t
 belpejic Aug 2021 #9
LineLineLineReply Right! A woman
 mzmolly Aug 2021 #20
LineLineLineLineReply I venture to say that most, if not all women, are smart enough and have enough...
 3catwoman3 Aug 2021 #24
LineLineLineLineLineReply You are
 mzmolly Aug 2021 #28
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Furthermore, I cannot imagine ever showing my face in public...
 3catwoman3 Aug 2021 #33
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Agree.
 mzmolly Aug 2021 #34
LineLineLineLineReply A woman can't breastfeed her infant in public because she might offend the assholes of the world
 zuul Aug 2021 #25
LineLineLineLineLineReply Exactly.
 mzmolly Aug 2021 #26
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Exactly. WTH?
 crickets Aug 2021 #37
LineReply Bullshit toobin.
 spanone Aug 2021 #7
LineReply I typed a response to this OP, but decided it was Just. Too. Vulgar. nt
 Atticus Aug 2021 #10
LineReply Is this the same person who was playing with his parts on live TV?
 malaise Aug 2021 #12
LineLineReply I'll second that. Every time he appears on the screen I get a mental picture of
 Vinca Aug 2021 #14
LineLineLineReply Seriously
 malaise Aug 2021 #16
LineReply Let's see the responses from his own former legal Prof, Laurence Tribe, Barb Quade and others
 hlthe2b Aug 2021 #13
LineReply Much as I hate the idea that he's right ... he probably is, at least in the outcome
 Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #15
LineLineReply You think a self-promoting public-masturbating has-been knows more about law than Tribe, Quade
 hlthe2b Aug 2021 #18
LineLineLineNew Reply Read more closely and you'll find I'm not actually disagreeing with those people
 Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #35
LineLineLineLineNew Reply ...
 hlthe2b Aug 2021 #36
LineReply This message was self-deleted by its author
 FelineOverlord Aug 2021 #19
LineReply Message auto-removed
 Name removed Aug 2021 #22
LineNew Reply I have never been impressed with Toobin
 LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #29
LineNew Reply Toobin is on point here I'm afraid
 Shermann Aug 2021 #30
LineLineNew Reply We had elections...
 dajoki Aug 2021 #32
LineNew Reply He didn't need to write it. Garland won't pursue charges.
 maxsolomon Aug 2021 #31
LineNew Reply What do white guys have to do to get unemployable?
 Voltaire2 Aug 2021 #38

Response to dajoki (Original post)

Tue Aug 17, 2021, 01:51 PM

Star Member ProfessorGAC (56,850 posts)

1. I Agree

Rec'd.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 01:56 PM

Star Member zuul (13,992 posts)

2. Don't forget: this is the guy who was caught "tugging his toobin" on a zoom call.

I don't understand why CNN brought him back. If you're enough of a wanker that you thought it was okay to yank out your wanker on a video conference call and start whacking away, well, WANK you.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 03:31 PM

lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)

27. Tube-Snake Toobin.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:11 PM

belpejic (713 posts)

11. Did he ever even try to offer a credible mea culpa?

Seriously, his behavior seems like that of a classic sex addict. AFAIK, normal men don't sit around masturbating during business Zoom calls, though maybe I'm naive.

Did he investigate whether he needed help? Did he try to get some? Forgiveness is possible, but you've got to acknowledge and address the problem first.

Edit: fixed spelling.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:24 PM

Star Member zuul (13,992 posts)

17. He kind of apologized and he says he was in therapy.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2021/06/11/jeffrey-toobin-cnn-problematic-apology-after-zoom-debacle/7654174002/

Toobin said in Thursday's segment that his conduct was "deeply moronic and indefensible."

“I have spent the seven subsequent months – miserable months – in my life trying to be a better person,” Toobin told CNN anchor Alisyn Camerota. “In therapy, trying to do some public service, working in a food bank, working on a new book. I am trying to become the kind of person that people can trust again.”

The apology, experts say, fails to adequately address his behavior's impact. Some social media users also wondered what working at a food bank has to do with exposing yourself at work or how working on a book serves anyone but himself.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:50 PM

Bev54 (7,414 posts)

23. Maybe tugging his toobin doesn't make you go blind as our grandparents

said, maybe it makes you lose all perspective when you do in front of a crowd.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 01:58 PM

Star Member hlthe2b (95,588 posts)

3. He wants to be the Trump legal quack heir to Dershowitz, it would seem

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:30 PM

dajoki (10,673 posts)

21. That was exactly what I thought n/t

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 01:59 PM

belpejic (713 posts)

4. Hand that man Jeffrey a spank mag

And a box of tissues.

Seriously, after he got caught toobin' it live he will never have any credibility ever again. I don't think it's even worth considering him part of the discourse.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:04 PM

Star Member zuul (13,992 posts)

8. . . .

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:01 PM

Star Member mzmolly (50,195 posts)

6. Why does he

have a job?

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:07 PM

belpejic (713 posts)

9. Especially after his epic hand job? n/t

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:30 PM

Star Member mzmolly (50,195 posts)

20. Right! A woman

would never be offered work again.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:52 PM

Star Member 3catwoman3 (21,401 posts)

24. I venture to say that most, if not all women, are smart enough and have enough...

...self-control not to engage in the most private of activities while on a Zoom call for work.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 03:33 PM

Star Member mzmolly (50,195 posts)

28. You are

correct.

One would think such shenanigans could wait until after the frigging work day is over.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 05:38 PM

Star Member 3catwoman3 (21,401 posts)

33. Furthermore, I cannot imagine ever showing my face in public...

…again should I have lacked the necessary self-control.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 05:48 PM

Star Member mzmolly (50,195 posts)

34. Agree.

My goodness - the smarmy entitlement is off the charts.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 03:16 PM

Star Member zuul (13,992 posts)

25. A woman can't breastfeed her infant in public because she might offend the assholes of the world

but Jeffrey gets to tug his Toobin on a zoom call with several colleagues and he still gets a gig at CNN.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 03:29 PM

Star Member mzmolly (50,195 posts)

26. Exactly.

And I don't buy the 'it was an accident' BS. He's a perv.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 07:50 PM

Star Member crickets (24,097 posts)

37. Exactly. WTH?

Why can't CNN find someone else with better common sense? Ugh.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:03 PM

Star Member spanone (132,917 posts)

7. Bullshit toobin.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:09 PM

Star Member Atticus (14,698 posts)

10. I typed a response to this OP, but decided it was Just. Too. Vulgar. nt

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:11 PM

Star Member malaise (252,933 posts)

12. Is this the same person who was playing with his parts on live TV?

He's should even have been rehired

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:16 PM

Star Member Vinca (49,044 posts)

14. I'll second that. Every time he appears on the screen I get a mental picture of

Toobin on his Zoom call. Aarrrrggghhhhh.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:22 PM

Star Member malaise (252,933 posts)

16. Seriously

He should just go away

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:15 PM

Star Member hlthe2b (95,588 posts)

13. Let's see the responses from his own former legal Prof, Laurence Tribe, Barb Quade and others

Laurence Tribe
@tribelaw
.@JeffreyToobin
says AG Garland shouldn’t even investigate Trump’s role in the seditious insurrection because “the leading precedent … comes from a case from 1863!” Hmmm. Could that maybe be because. . . wait for it: This is the first insurrection we’ve had since the Civil War?





Barb McQuade
Could not disagree more. This assumes intent cannot be proven if someone lies about his own. No other criminals get that kind of pass. Trump shouldn’t, either. There’s more than enough predication to investigate and a substantial federal interest in protecting election




Joyce Vance:
Toobin makes the remarkably wrong claim that “based on the available evidence, there is no basis to prosecute Trump & little reason” to investigate. Of course, he doesn’t know all of the evidence DOJ possesses & “little reason” is enough to investigate.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:18 PM

Star Member Hugh_Lebowski (30,411 posts)

15. Much as I hate the idea that he's right ... he probably is, at least in the outcome



Garland absolutely should still investigate, however!

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 02:25 PM

Star Member hlthe2b (95,588 posts)

18. You think a self-promoting public-masturbating has-been knows more about law than Tribe, Quade

or Vance? Tribe was his professor in law school, btw.

Umm, no.

See my post upstream.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 07:18 PM

Star Member Hugh_Lebowski (30,411 posts)

35. Read more closely and you'll find I'm not actually disagreeing with those people

I might've added my last line there after you started responding though, that was an clarifying edit I made within a minute or two.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 07:40 PM

Star Member hlthe2b (95,588 posts)

36. ...

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 03:43 PM

Star Member LetMyPeopleVote (124,565 posts)

29. I have never been impressed with Toobin

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 04:30 PM

Star Member Shermann (5,360 posts)

30. Toobin is on point here I'm afraid

Here's a thought experiment. Imagine your jackass neighbor makes similar statements as Trump. He tells another jackass neighbor he should march on Congress. He claims the election was stolen. He says Republicans should fight like hell and stop the steal. So...then that other neighbor goes rogue and actually does storm the Capitol.

Is the first neighbor guilty of a federal crime? His statements are pretty vague and tame in that context, I highly doubt it meets that bar.

So why a different standard for Trump? He isn't above the law, but he isn't below it either. The trouble is that the Executive Office of the President is a tremendous amplifier for bad behaviors. Charging bogus federal crimes isn't the answer, however. The first answer is having elections where candidates are thoroughly vetted and jackasses like these don't have any chance of being elected. The second is impeachment. Those are the two lines of defense. If both break down, we as a nation are left to suffer our fate.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 05:03 PM

dajoki (10,673 posts)

32. We had elections...

but they won't accept the results and now they are in the process of making themselves the only ones who get to decide outcomes of future elections. This started with the orange jackass and he is still getting his whacko morons all riled up and we all know what they are capable of. Bring the evidence before a grand jury and let them indict his sorry ass.

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Tue Aug 17, 2021, 04:36 PM

maxsolomon (29,583 posts)

31. He didn't need to write it. Garland won't pursue charges.

It's too unseemly, too divisive, and FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP's mob-speak always leaves some doubt - he doesn't explicitly direct.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 05:05 AM

Voltaire2 (10,739 posts)

38. What do white guys have to do to get unemployable?

Toobin seems to have raised the bar.

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