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Fri Aug 20, 2021, 10:43 AM

EXCLUSIVE FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated-sources

This is not at all helpful imo. Reuters? And former LEOs? Might they have a motive?


August 20, 20217:06 AM
EXCLUSIVE FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated-sources
By Mark Hosenball and Sarah N. Lynch



WASHINGTON, Aug 20 (Reuters) - The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.

Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.

"Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages."


Stone, a veteran Republican operative and self-described "dirty trickster", and Jones, founder of a conspiracy-driven radio show and webcast, are both allies of Trump and had been involved in pro-Trump events in Washington on Jan. 5, the day before the riot.

FBI investigators did find that cells of protesters, including followers of the far-right Oath Keepers and Proud Boys groups, had aimed to break into the Capitol. But they found no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside, the sources said.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

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Reply EXCLUSIVE FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated-sources (Original post)
babylonsister Aug 2021 OP
bottomofthehill Aug 2021 #1
lindysalsagal Aug 2021 #2
lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #8
FelineOverlord Aug 2021 #3
lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #5
lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #4
struggle4progress Aug 2021 #6
Xoan Aug 2021 #7
Corgigal Aug 2021 #9
struggle4progress Aug 2021 #10
struggle4progress Aug 2021 #11
BornADemocrat Aug 2021 #12
lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #15
Kaleva Aug 2021 #19
Captain Zero Aug 2021 #20
lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #22
Fullduplexxx Aug 2021 #13
Roisin Ni Fiachra Aug 2021 #14
hurple Aug 2021 #16
Cosmocat Aug 2021 #18
Captain Zero Aug 2021 #21
lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #23
hurple Aug 2021 #28
FakeNoose Aug 2021 #29
hurple Aug 2021 #31
Kaleva Aug 2021 #17
moondust Aug 2021 #24
FakeNoose Aug 2021 #30
Hugin Aug 2021 #25
msfiddlestix Aug 2021 #26
Initech Aug 2021 #27
Baked Potato Aug 2021 #32

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 10:46 AM

1. Sure seemed coordinated to me at the time, but what do I know.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 10:46 AM

2. Translation: Buncha ya-hoo's went to TFG's "rally" but then followed HIS instructions to attack

But they weren't a previously, permanent organized militia as the FBI is known to follow.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 10:54 AM

8. That's false. Proud Boys and other "militias" were HEAVILY involved.

We have multiple reports of them meeting with (and photos consorting with) Giuliani and other Trump cronies.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 10:50 AM

3. Reuters has been working with TASS since last year.

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Response to FelineOverlord (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 10:52 AM

5. 100% correct. Public domain evidence clearly contradicts Reuters' line of bullshit.

Reuters / RT / Tass looks about right to me.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 10:51 AM

4. Bullshit. This is just as shady as Rudy's "leaks" about FBI and SDNY.

Not even remotely credible. We know a lot in the public domain that contradicts this rosy fantasy.

Funding for busloads of terrorists was provided by multiple far-right shadowy figures, including the wife of a SCOTUS justice.

Trump's inner circle met with donors and strategists for weeks leading up to the attack.

Trump appointed cronies at DoD and DoJ, in the weeks leading up to the attack, to thwart any defensive response.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 10:52 AM

6. 'Let's have trial by combat' over election

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 10:54 AM

7. Reuters?

I don't trust them as a primary source.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 10:55 AM

9. Then, Christopher Wray

can be fired. He also couldn’t see that Jan 6th could become violent, even though the media was writing articles about all the cheap hotels being full, and the problems they were creating.

Pick any DUer, we live in the real world and have better reasoning.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 10:56 AM

10. What Madison Cawthorn saw

JAN. 16, 2021
By Olivia Nuzzi

... In a December speech to Turning Point USA, the right-wing youth organization, he said, “Call your congressman, and feel free — you can lightly threaten them and say, ‘You know what? If you don’t start supporting election integrity, I’m coming after you, Madison Cawthorn is coming after you, everybody’s coming after you.’ ” With digital charisma and total fealty to the Trump election lie, Cawthorn snagged a prime speaking spot at the president’s January 6 “Save America” rally alongside lifers like Rudy Giuliani and Trump’s own son. Facing the MAGA masses, his leather-gloved fist raised in the air, Cawthorn said, “Wow, this crowd has some fight in it!” ...

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/01/madison-cawthorn-capitol-insurrection-washington.html

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:00 AM

12. Cauldron Effect

You put all the ingredients together in one place, light the burner below and surprise! you get melee stew.

Tough to prove, but we all know the truth here.

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Response to BornADemocrat (Reply #12)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:04 AM

15. Not THAT tough to prove. Plenty of public domain evidence. FBI could get far more.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:27 AM

19. Then what's holding Biden back from making arrests?

Why would he chose to ignore the evidence you say is there and not act on it?

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:43 AM

20. Maybe rogue FBI were involved. They don't want to dredge that up. Just sayin'.

There are definitely some righties in the FBI.

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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #20)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:45 AM

22. Yep. Absolutely. And what guidance are they getting from the top?

"Pump the brakes" ...or... "Go get 'em"?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:00 AM

13. Useless propaganda from Reuters

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:03 AM

14. Just like the Nazis in Germany were not centrally coordinated, right?

Cue the Gleichschaltung.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:18 AM

16. Overall "attack" I agree...

It did not appear organized or planned, just a bunch of redneck yahoos who were probably drunk, and very stupid.

But, I do believe there were organized and planned attacks hidden within that crowd and using that general chaos to hide their movements.

And I believe that was part of the plan.

I also believe it was the crowd and drunk yahoos that caused that plan to fail, because they rushed in too fast and caused a bottleneck that kept the real "soldiers" from being able to reach their objectives quick enough.

But, I could be mistaken.

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Response to hurple (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:25 AM

18. that mostly fits

they were just too chicken shit (thank god) to bring firearms, or it would not have mattered either way, it would have been a complete bloodbath.

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Response to hurple (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:45 AM

21. this

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Response to hurple (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:47 AM

23. Proud Boys and multiple other militias were in the planning meetings, and at the event.

How does that "not appear organized or planned"?

Give me a break.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #23)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 12:26 PM

28. Can you read?

I said, the overall attack on the Capitol was not planned, but that there were groups there that most definitely had plans and part of that plan was to use the larger unplanned group as cover.

About 70% of the people there were likely random ignorant racist, fascist goofs. The rest were using those to hide their movements.

So, are you postulating that all 7,000 some odd people that attacked the Capitol were in on the planning?

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Response to hurple (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 12:26 PM

29. Right - a small group of professional "hitmen" hiding among the rubes

That's the part that was coordinated and planned.

Get those hitmen identified and investigate their backgrounds - which I believe the FBI are already doing. The rest of the yokels are getting rounded up and prosecuted, but they can't lead us to the core planning unit. I'm guessing that somehow these evil men are involved: Steve Bannon, Erik Prince, Michael Flynn, Stephen Miller, Roger Stone.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #29)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 12:33 PM

31. Oh, you *know* Erik Price had a team in the crowd...

That's guaranteed!

Probably more than one.

I really think we are very lucky there wasn't a hanging or beheading on the Capitol steps that day.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 11:20 AM

17. The fact that the rioters didn't know what to do after they took the Capitol suggests to me ...

that it wasn't coordinated.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 12:07 PM

24. Explain the noose.

That did not just appear out of nowhere spontaneously.

And the flag poles, etc., used as weapons.

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Response to moondust (Reply #24)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 12:33 PM

30. It was a symbol, however morbid

... but there's no way it could have been used to actually hang anyone. The thing was flimsy, it would have fallen apart. To me the flagpoles and banner poles were the real scary weapons. Some actually had bayonets affixed - proof of their intention to actually injure or kill someone.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 12:08 PM

25. Because it wasn't coordinated doesn't mean it wasn't planned.

There are parts of the FBI I won't listen to after 2016.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 12:15 PM

26. Poppy Cock! N/T

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 12:18 PM

27. They literally had meetings the night before with members of Congress and the Senate attending!

How was that not coordinated?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Aug 20, 2021, 02:43 PM

32. The coordination was in plain sight. Nt

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