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Duncanpup

(12,841 posts)
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 07:43 AM Aug 2021

Armies always leave equipment behind a observation.

Several discussions on Twitter and also this morning at the diner. Last weekend before school, I took the guys to the diner early for breakfast, folks are saying we left aircraft and that they could attack the u.s.a . No those aircraft are A29 prop driven built for tactical air they have no range and no threat to us. As for the Blackhawks I imagine they are all first or second series and we’re not equipped with latest technology, hummers oh well besides upgrading with hillbilly armor in that troops on the ground always adding more sandbags or armor now the taliban will have to constantly find fuel for them.

And we left the ANA with old M16a2 and equipment to fight , I read that some Ana units had no food for weeks hungry no motivation to fight and rampant corruption in senior Afghan army command, you would think do I really want to fight if you’re sane in thought yea no , time to save your hide I’m out of here . I personally am more worried over the women and children that will be living under the taliban, I read girls as young as fifteen are being gifted to fighters fuqing sick poor girls.

A Soviet soldier a friend of mine who I work with told me , when they quit in 89 the kremlin did the same with equipment and they also knew in 89 the Afghan army they trained would not last.

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Armies always leave equipment behind a observation. (Original Post) Duncanpup Aug 2021 OP
Thanks for this. I know nothing about equipment, being an old woman. secondwind Aug 2021 #1
Lots of US equipment is very high maintenance Deminpenn Aug 2021 #2
Sorry to burst your bubble, Worried2020 Aug 2021 #5
That was interesting Deminpenn Aug 2021 #6
Good story! roamer65 Aug 2021 #7
Former Navy mechanic here bluecollar2 Aug 2021 #8
Everyone is parroting the right-wing talking heads, it appears. GoCubsGo Aug 2021 #3
"Lord of War" mentioned this... canuckledragger Aug 2021 #4

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
1. Thanks for this. I know nothing about equipment, being an old woman.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 08:23 AM
Aug 2021

I agree with your assessment about ANA. They were in this for the paychecks only.

Deminpenn

(15,278 posts)
2. Lots of US equipment is very high maintenance
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 08:29 AM
Aug 2021

Wait until they try to get the repair parts.

FTR, when the Shah of Iran was overthrown the US left a squadron of F14s, at the time the most sophisticated fighter the US had, behind. AFAIK, Iran was never able to make those planes operational.

Worried2020

(444 posts)
5. Sorry to burst your bubble,
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 09:37 AM
Aug 2021

.

Iran's F-14 Tomcats Were Built in the 1970s. How Are They Still Flying?
David Axe
June 26, 2020
https://news.yahoo.com/irans-f-14-tomcats-were-130000036.html#:~:text=Today%20Iran%27s%2040%20or%20so,was%20a%20product%20of%20failure.

/snip/

For the next five decades, the United States would do everything in its power — short of war — to ground the ayatollah’s Tomcats. But the Americans failed. Through a combination of engineering ingenuity and audacious espionage, Iran kept its F-14s in working order — and even improved them. The swing-wing fighters took to the air in several conflicts and even occasionally confronted American planes.

Today Iran’s 40 or so surviving F-14s remain some of the best fighters in the Middle East. And since the U.S. Navy retired its last Tomcats in 2006, the ayatollah’s Tomcats are the only active Tomcats left in the world.

/snip/
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MUCH much more at link https://news.yahoo.com/irans-f-14-tomcats-were-130000036.html#:~:text=Today%20Iran%27s%2040%20or%20so,was%20a%20product%20of%20failure.

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Deminpenn

(15,278 posts)
6. That was interesting
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 03:33 PM
Aug 2021

For years, the Navy used Iran's spare parts that were intercepted at the Philadelphia Navy Yard.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
8. Former Navy mechanic here
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 07:11 PM
Aug 2021

And 35 years in civilian commercial aviation.

Bottom line: military gear can be made to last a lifetime...all you have to do is decide to do it.

Great article...I was in from 79 to 83 and saw the process...

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
3. Everyone is parroting the right-wing talking heads, it appears.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 08:32 AM
Aug 2021

Sean Inannity and the others have been foaming at the mouth over this for the past few days. They have no fucking clue. Or, they do, and as usual, they're lying their asses off, and ginning up fear among the rubes that hang on their every word. I'm going with the latter.

canuckledragger

(1,636 posts)
4. "Lord of War" mentioned this...
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 08:43 AM
Aug 2021

It's a Nicholas Cage movie based on real life arms dealer Vicktor Bout.

There's a scene in it where Russia has pulled out of the Ukraine, leaving behind literal mountains of assault rifles, etc, with some of the reasoning being that it's too much money to ship them back.

The scene always had a ring of truth to it, and here you see it play out in Afghanistan.

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