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Sun Aug 22, 2021, 02:28 AM

Bloomberg News - Vaccinated people may be vulnerable to serious illness


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Reply Bloomberg News - Vaccinated people may be vulnerable to serious illness (Original post)
womanofthehills Aug 22 OP
PortTack Aug 22 #1
GusBob Aug 22 #27
Mr.Bill Aug 22 #2
Hugh_Lebowski Aug 22 #3
Mr.Bill Aug 22 #4
womanofthehills Aug 22 #9
Scrivener7 Aug 22 #18
womanofthehills Aug 22 #23
Hugin Aug 22 #20
GusBob Aug 22 #26
GusBob Aug 22 #32
Mr.Bill Aug 22 #34
GusBob Aug 22 #35
Mr.Bill Aug 22 #36
Post removed Aug 22 #37
Mr.Bill Aug 22 #39
Tetrachloride Aug 22 #5
agingdem Aug 22 #11
TreasonousBastard Aug 22 #6
womanofthehills Aug 22 #7
mucifer Aug 22 #10
sheshe2 Aug 22 #8
womanofthehills Aug 22 #22
dalton99a Aug 22 #12
Mike Nelson Aug 22 #13
Native Aug 22 #14
Scrivener7 Aug 22 #16
uponit7771 Aug 22 #15
Deuce Aug 22 #17
Throck Aug 22 #19
doc03 Aug 22 #21
womanofthehills Aug 22 #25
NickB79 Aug 22 #29
muriel_volestrangler Aug 22 #30
Elessar Zappa Aug 22 #24
bluestarone Aug 22 #31
NickB79 Aug 22 #28
totodeinhere Aug 22 #33
Mr.Bill Aug 22 #38

Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 02:30 AM

1. Wear your mask! Social distance...

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Response to PortTack (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 10:11 AM

27. I am learning that anything can happen with Delta

Another acquaintance of ours died this morning. Yes he was vaccinated

My personal experience with Delta is perplexing
The result of our family after a funeral. There was close contact involved, it was a double funeral
Many got sick with symptoms, some tested positive, some negative. A few didnít get symptoms and tested eac way

Some of the sickest tested negative, some of the symptomless tested positive I myself was symptomless positive, my wife a constant companion and who has had cancer and has very low immunity tested negative with minor symptoms.

All were vaccinated but one. All recovered

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 02:32 AM

2. They lost me at the first sentence in the article:

Anecdotes tell us what the data can't.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 02:34 AM

3. Hey! People are saying!

Don't discount that

This article really is hilarious, I should add.

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Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 02:37 AM

4. A load of speculative

fear-mongering bullshit.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 02:54 AM

9. Massachusetts coronavirus breakthrough cases jump 2,672 last week as infections rise amid delta vari

Nearly 400 fully vaccinated people in Massachusetts tested positive for the coronavirus each day last week, as breakthrough infections continue to climb while cases overall rise amid the delta variant.

The breakthrough cases are making up about one-third of the stateís overall cases, as those who are unvaccinated are at a higher risk for infection and a severe case.

Overall, 12,641 fully vaxxed people have tested positive for the virus, according to new data from the state Department of Public Health on Tuesday. Thatís 0.29% of the nearly 4.4 million fully vaxxed people in Massachusetts on that date.

The 12,641 overall cases is an increase of 2,672 breakthrough infections from last week ó or a daily average of 382 fully vaccinated people testing positive.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/08/17/massachusetts-coronavirus-breakthrough-cases-jump-2672-last-week-as-infections-rise-amid-delta-variant/

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:14 AM

18. Womanofthehills, please tell me you are vaccinated.

You and I have been together in the minority here in thinking there was a lot of BS in the push for flu vaccines, but this is a world of different from that.

Please tell me you got the shots. There is a killer stalking us. The shot is the best defense from it.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:32 AM

23. The CDC is saying the same thing - you think it's a laughing matter

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Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 08:08 AM

20. I almost lost my uppers from "Science can't keep up"...

SMDH.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 10:01 AM

26. I think the point is

Anything can happen with Covid
Another acquaintance of mine died this morning. Yes he was vaccinated

He is lost forever

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 06:57 PM

32. Do you think it's funny

Vaxxed people dying?

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Response to GusBob (Reply #32)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:12 PM

34. No, I think idiot journalists

are pathetically funny. And the article is not about vaxxed people dying. It's about breakthrough cases.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #34)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:24 PM

35. Me and 2 other posters today

Posted about vaxxed people we know died. The OP is about serous illness breakthrough. Donít get more serious than death. Does it?

Is that a journalist? Or is it just a fucking anecdotal joke to you?


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Response to GusBob (Reply #35)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:28 PM

36. I'm sorry about your friend. But when I first

posted in this thread (yesterday), I was replying to an OP that had nothing to do with vaxxed people dying. I was replying to a ridiculous article with a clickbait headline. It was about breakthrough cases. And at the time, no one had posted about anyone dying.

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Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:41 PM

39. I knew exactly what I was talking about.

I was talking about one of the most ridiculous bullshit articles I've read about the pandemic since it began. It was the day before you even posted in this thread.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 02:41 AM

5. Lots of concern paragraphs

and highly disconnected numbers from insufficient scientific sources. That is, all hat and no cattle.

The writers are more blatant than Senator Collins

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Response to Tetrachloride (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 03:43 AM

11. read the article...what a waste...

no facts only speculation...concern worry blah blah blah....and yes there's going to be the fully vaccinated who will test positive for Covid just like the flu shot will not guarantee the jabbed will not contract the flu (why isn't that referred to as "breakthrough"?..)...and as Covid morphs into a myriad of variants, scientists will adjust the vaccine"recipe" to lessen the physical impact of the variants..the vaccine is not an immunization...polio, measles mumps rubella, small pox..those are immunizations... Covid will be with us forever...and until the anti-vaxxers are held financially and criminally responsible and "segregated" (no vaccine equals no driver's license, no college, no job, no concerts, no airplane, no ballgames, no hospital) ...until that comes to pass then mask up...

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 02:41 AM

6. Well, I'm convinced

Thereís a dearth of scientific studies with concrete answers, leaving public policy makers and corporate executives to formulate plans based on fragmented information. While some are renewing mask mandates or delaying office reopenings, others cite the lack of clarity to justify staying the course. It can all feel like a mess.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 02:48 AM

7. Everyday - we read of more and more vaxxed getting virus

Today

Rev. Jesse Jackson, Wife in Hospital with COVID-19 Rex Arbogast, File)

The Rev. Jesse Jackson and his wife, Jacqueline, have been hospitalized after testing positive for COVID-19.

The famed 79-year-old civil rights leader is vaccinated against the virus and publicly received his first dose in January.

According to a statement released Saturday evening, the Jacksons are being treated at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago.

https://www.alabamanews.net/2021/08/21/rev-jesse-jackson-wife-in-hospital-with-covid-19/

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 03:36 AM

10. He is elderly with Parkinson's Disease. That's consistent with what the data says about

the people who are hospitalized and die who are vaccinated. He also was vaccinated 7 months ago and there is a booster.

The percent of the deaths of vaccinated who die from covid is still way less than those who die from covid unvaccinated. The elderly with underlying disease are at risk for a lot of health issues.

Here is a link to the Illinois breakthrough cases that die at Illinois hospitals that says "223 Died Due to COVID-19 or Complications
3.10% of COVID-19 Deaths Since January 2021" 52% of the total population is fully vaccinated in Illinois.

https://www.dph.illinois.gov/covid19/vaccinedata?county=Illinois#breakthroughtag

Illinois keeps good data.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 02:49 AM

8. They are concern trolling.

What a load of BS.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:29 AM

22. So - you think Rochelle Walensky is wrong? Why do you think boosters are needed?

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 04:48 AM

13. Hmm...

... it seems like they are presenting a legitimate article - Vaccinated are concerned - as maybe the Vaccine is unworthy...

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 06:47 AM

14. 19 paragraphs just to say "we have more questions than answers."

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Response to Native (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:09 AM

16. This. Captain Obvious writes an article. I will say, though, that I am

still baffled about why breakthrough infections and hospitalizations are not part of the reporting process. Why make this a mystery? Why not just track it and report the results?

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 06:57 AM

15. Known known, the % of vaxed going critical/lethal is still very low

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:14 AM

17. "Growing concern" & "maybe more vulnerable"...hmm!

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 08:05 AM

19. Makes one wonder if mankind has messed with natural evolution?

It's not like the inhabitants of mother earth have screwed it up before.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 08:46 AM

21. Some people are saying the earth is flat. There is a growing concern among some

about this.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:46 AM

25. Give me a break -CDC Statement below

The COVID-19 vaccines authorized in the United States continue to be remarkably effective in reducing risk of severe disease, hospitalization, and death, even against the widely circulating Delta variant. Recognizing that many vaccines are associated with a reduction in protection over time, and acknowledging that additional vaccine doses could be needed to provide long lasting protection, we have been analyzing the scientific data closely from the United States and around the world to understand how long this protection will last and how we might maximize this protection. The available data make very clear that protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection begins to decrease over time following the initial doses of vaccination, and in association with the dominance of the Delta variant, we are starting to see evidence of reduced protection against mild and moderate disease. Based on our latest assessment, the current protection against severe disease
, hospitalization, and death could diminish in the months ahead, especially among those who are at higher risk or were vaccinated during the earlier phases of the vaccination rollout.
For that reason, we conclude that a booster shot will be needed to maximize vaccine-induced protection and prolong its durability.
. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0818-covid-19-booster-shots.html

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 10:12 AM

29. So get the booster shot. It's available

Problem solved.

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Response to womanofthehills (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 10:16 AM

30. Bloomberg is trying to make current anecdotes look "concerning"; the CDC is trying to predict

what will happen in the future - "could diminish in the months ahead". The Bloomberg article is still rubbish.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:35 AM

24. So are you vaccinated?

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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #24)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 10:18 AM

31. Good question here

I will ask her again! Please tell us are you vaccinated?

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 10:11 AM

28. When you double a tiny percentage, it's still a tiny percentage

As it stands, the VAST number of breakthrough cases today cause cold or flu like symptoms, if at all.

The vaccinated aren't the ones filling the hospitals.

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Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:06 PM

33. When we hear an anecdote about a fully vaccinated patient getting very sick with Covid

we feel for them. And it's only natural to worry if we might be next.

But we should follow the overall statistics, not anecdotes. Every study I have seen continues to indicate that fully vaccinated people are much less likely to get seriously ill. Even the article admits that.

But I'm afraid that anti-vaxxers will use articles like this as another excuse not to get vaccinated so I wonder if an article like this is helpful to the effort to get everybody vaccinated.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #33)

Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:35 PM

38. Well said. n/t

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