Joe quietly just struck the biggest blow to the gun industry in a generation

[Amishman]

Last edited Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:41 AM - Edit history (1)

He just imposed new sanctions on Russia for the Navalny assassination attempt. This includes a policy of denial of all future import permits of Russian made guns and ammunition.

https://www.state.gov/fact-sheet-united-states-imposes-additional-costs-on-russia-for-the-poisoning-of-aleksey-navalny/

This happened a few days ago but I hadn't seen anything about it. I only heard about it through angry ranting last night from my gunner brother-in-law while we were over at his house.

Supposedly over a third of all ammo sold in the US is Russian or made with some Russian made materials. He was very upset that ammo would permanently be significantly more expensive and harder to find.

Just goes to show Joe is getting things done without congress and sometimes it doesn't make the headlines either.

[question everything]

1. Assassination? He is not dead, is he?

[EYESORE 9001]

3. No, I just checked N/T

[Amishman]

4. Sorry was missing the word 'attempt'

Thanks!

[NickB79]

2. Russian companies are already making AK's in the US

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-08/this-florida-warehouse-is-producing-made-in-america-kalashnikovs

Something similar happened in the 90's, when Clinton banned imports of cheap Chinese guns and ammo. The Russians stepped in to take their place. I have no doubt another nation will be along shortly to fill the ammo gap. Turkey is one such place already tooling up.

https://www.dailysabah.com/business/defense/turkish-arms-exports-to-us-jump-56-as-gun-control-looms

Turkish arms exports to US jump 56% as gun control looms

[Beetwasher.]

6. T'was Ever Thus, Whackamole With The Shitbags

But still, it's nice to see this.

[NickB79]

7. Americans buy billions in guns and ammo annually

It's just too big of an economy for other nations to ignore.

And US ammo plants have been making huge investments in the past few years as well to crank out more ammo.

It's a lot like the drug wars, as long as there's demand, there's supply

[Elessar Zappa]

16. Stricter gun laws would definitely cut gun violence.

Especially if we had the will to ban handguns.

[Beetwasher.]

5. A Twofer! Now THAT'S Efficiency!!

[calimary]

8. EXCELLENT!!!

Keep tightening the screws!

Keep making it harder and more expensive.

That good old trick of hitting ‘em in the pocketbook. It’s amazing what can happen when something becomes prohibitively expensive. Some go nuts, alright, but others reluctantly give up. I’ll take any little victory I can get. In memory of the two friends I can never get back (argument + gun in the house = murder/suicide).

[NJCher]

28. it's a proven formula

First, I'm sorry you lost two friends.

Keep making it harder and more expensive.

It worked with cigarettes. Every time the price was raised, more and more people dropped the habit.

When I worked in corporate marketing, every time we took a price raise, we lost customers. At the very least, sales dropped.

Interestingly enough, the most price sensitive area was Wall Street.

[samnsara]

9. joes proving to be a great leader

[PatSeg]

10. I had no idea a third of all ammo sold here

came from Russia. That's rather unnerving.

Good news that Joe imposed sanctions on Russia though. So how much damn ammunition does your brother-in-law think he needs?

[Amishman]

14. He goes through it by the case

His collection is into the hundreds, including several legal machine guns. I'm pretty sure all together it's worth more than my house.

He has his own range at home, and shoots all the time. Pretty sure he goes through more ammo in a month than most gun owners do in a decade.

While he was bitching up a storm, I was trying not to roll my eyes. He can afford it even if the price triples.

[PatSeg]

19. It is hard to understand that kind of mentality

My ex husband was (well still is) a paranoid weapons fanatic, but he's not that extreme. I can imagine visiting him must be rather uncomfortable.

[Amishman]

21. He's not too bad most of the time

Not your typical right-winger, more libertarian and hates Trump, so we do have some areas of common ground. plus he has excellent taste in alcohol and cigars, and loves to have family over. I owe a significant part of my own financial success to investment advice he gave while we were half drunk on his deck.

The only annoying things about him are that he has a blind spot to how smart he really is, and thinks others are lazy if they don't have the same success he has had. That and his extreme love of guns. He's not the typical paranoid militia type, he just really likes guns and shooting for its own sake.

[PatSeg]

25. Good to hear he's not a dangerous fanatic

I've known people who find it hard to understand why others aren't as successful as they are. They have an "If I can do it, anyone can" attitude which is really sad. They tend to be incapable of believing that really hard times could fall on them.

[ShazzieB]

38. That mindset is akin to the "just world hypothesis."

https://dictionary.apa.org/just-world-hypothesis

just-world hypothesis:
the idea that the world is a fair and orderly place where what happens to people generally is what they deserve. In other words, bad things happen to bad people, and good things happen to good people. This view enables an individual to confront his or her physical and social environments as though they were stable and predictable but may, for example, result in the belief that the innocent victim of an accident or attack must somehow be responsible for or deserve it. Also called belief in a just world; just-world bias; just-world phenomenon. [postulated by Canadian psychologist Melvin J. Lerner, 1929–?]

More detailed discussion here: http://psychology.iresearchnet.com/social-psychology/social-cognition/just-world-hypothesis/ and here: https://effectiviology.com/just-world/

[PatSeg]

45. Oh yes, an apt description

I suppose it is some people's way of coping with the obvious injustices in the world. When they see a homeless person, they can say he must have done something to deserve his lot in life, hence insuring that such a tragedy would never befall them. The attitude is a combination of fear and arrogance.

It also excuses their lack of empathy, because after all, that could never happen to them. They are good, deserving people, who did all the right things in life. Sadly, they miss the opportunity to show compassion and show judgment instead. Even sadder still is many of them are self-proclaimed Christians, who apparently didn't comprehend what the Golden Rule was about. I guess that was okay for young children, but in the adult world, it is "Do unto others what you think they deserve". You could add, "Judge not oneself, as you are more superior and deserving than others".

[thucythucy]

48. As a person with a disability and someone involved in the disability community

I've run into this a lot.

It's often combined with a belief in "karma" or the supernatural, so that someone born with a disability is told "You must have done something in a past life to deserve this." Either that or their parents are being punished for something they might have done. People who believe this crap often can't be argued out of it, until something happens to them personally, and even then it's a belief so deep rooted it's difficult to overcome.

It's insidious, damaging, and serves to obstruct any attempts to further disability rights or social justice in general, the idea being, "It isn't society that's fucked up and oppressive, it's YOU." It's even worse when people who are disabled or oppressed internalize this belief, like rape survivors who blame themselves for the assault, or cancer patients who believe their own "negative energy" caused the disease.

I think this is also a big factor in vaccine resistance or hesitancy. "I'll never get Covid (or cancer or MS or get in an accident or be assaulted) because I'm such a good person (or have a "strong immune system" or take the right vitamins or...). The Trumps (aside from Mary) obviously have this belief in spades--they're smart, good, wonderful people justified in everything they do simply because they're rich and shit into golden toilets. That makes them "winners" with "good genes" even if they've done nothing themselves to earn whatever money they're able to spend. "Prosperity consciousness" as an offshoot of evangelical Christianity is another instance of this sort of thinking.

I've been aware of Lerner's work for a long time. I wish he'd get more attention, and thank you for posting about him here.

[iluvtennis]

11. Excellent news! Thanks for posting. n/t

[JohnnyRingo]

12. AK-47s are manufactured in every modern country in the world.

Including here.

Can't get them from Russia anymore though.
This is just a sanction on them, and that's still a good thing I think.

[rockfordfile]

42. There's a video of a drug

There's a video of a drug dealer on youTube being arrested for selling drugs, there's a twist to that. The drug dealer admits to having a ak-47 in the trunk. What kind of normal citizen in our country would have something like that at all to begin with?

[Bev54]

13. The dems need to start putting these kinds of issues out front and center

It is up to them to put it out in the media so the voters know what is being done. The MSM is too busy bashing the Afghanistan pull out but that does not mean the dems can't get the message out.

[napi21]

40. I understand you want the word out so more people Will know Joe is working in their interest, but in

this case, I think it's better to have happened behind the scenes. It's a ban on something associated with guns but we don't have to put up with the gun nuts & the industry screaming their bloody heads off about that Democrat did it to us again! I'd rather they wake up one day & say "WHAT? When did that happen?"

[Bev54]

49. Nobody should be hiding because they fear the loudest bullies

That should never be a reason not to let the majority who support gun controls know they are working for them. I also believe in transparency. They are not hiding it, just too much going on in the news but it is up to the dems to bring it out.

[SYFROYH]

15. So what you're saying is that Joe is propping up USA ammo and gun manufacturers who can donate

to politicians.

Right on! Go Joe go.

[paleotn]

18. US ammo is expensive compared to imports.

Very expensive in many cases. Proles can't afford to plink nearly as much, or replenish their thousands of round stockpiles. Poor proles. My heart breaks.

[SYFROYH]

30. US-made range ammo isn't that much more than Russian steel cased ammo.

But even if it was, shooters would still buy it and put more money in US manufacturers’ pockets due to the Russian import ban.

I’m just saying there will be unintended consequences

[paleotn]

33. Tula is as expensive as Federal, Hornady, Remington etc?

Since when? All the "bulk buying" gun nutters love Tula and others because they can stretch their meager funds. Nevertheless, there's no perfect solution. If you're looking for one, I bid you good luck. You'll need it.

[NickB79]

37. Tula and Wolf were running $200/case before the pandemic

Federal and Winchester were $300-$400/case.

A case is 1,000 rd. So an extra 10-20 cents per shot.

But that's not going to stop the bill buying "gun nutters". You fail to realize that, even if their funds are meager, they prioritize ammo and guns over most other things.

[rockfordfile]

43. Should get get rid of all of that Russian crap

[paleotn]

17. MSM was too busy breathlessly reporting on the Afghanistan inevitability.

I like this. I like things that "kill two birds with one stone."

Yep, a good bit of the cheaper ammo comes from Russia directly or with Russian components. Others low cost nations may pick up the slack, but it's a step in the right direction. Does Russia produce anything anyone wants that's NOT destructive in some way? We produce a lot of that too, but at least offset it with constructive exports other nations want to buy.

[TheBlackAdder]

20. A 3d of ammo is sourced or partially sourced from Russia? That kinda reinforces the NRA-Russia tie.

[Traildogbob]

22. They ship that ammo

Packed in Russian Asbestos that Trump reinstated as safe. Russia is killing us without a sound. Do they make Round Up herbicide?

[mopinko]

23. yeah, this is a little money trail i didnt know about.

russia doesnt export much. i would put nothing past them to keep/build this market.
the whoooooole nra/russia connection makes sense now.

hello rachel?

[krispos42]

34. I think it's just economics

The Soviet Union had arms factories that made lots of military ammo for the USSR and beneficiaries of Soviet military assistance. I'm going to guess the factories are still in business (probably the exact same machinery) making large quantities of the 3 or 4 different types of cartridges that were Soviet standard.

Modern Russia still has large mineral resources, so they just keep making the ammo. But with many Americans now owning firearms that shoot Russian/Soviet cartridges they were able to export to American civilians as well as their military customers.

The market will adapt. Lord knows that with Democrats in office gun sales and ammo sales will remain high.

[Joinfortmill]

24. 👍

[James48]

26. "Stuck", or "Struck"?

Inquiring minds want to know

[Amishman]

27. Darnit, this is why I rarely post my own topics

Typo, fixed it. Sorry

[Javaman]

29. Chris Rock had it right.

[Shoonra]

31. A third of US ammo is from Russia ...

.... which means that Russia has been energetically fueling the epidemic of shootings in this country. Cut down on the available ammo and we might have a cease-fire in our domestic shootings.

[Kaleva]

51. US manufactures will just increase production to make the difference.

[admonish]

32. I think it's obvious why

The media's too busy trying to paint him as senile and weak because the Taliban walked to Kabul and took over Afghanistan (the 300k Afghans with $Billions in American equipment surrendered without a shot) and unknown Afghans are crowding the airport trying to get out of Afghanistan, crippling the evacuation

Obviously, his competency is too much of a hurdle to miss out on such a glorious opportunity for clicks

[crickets]

35. K&R for visibility.

[Crowman2009]

36. Good! Keep the gun nuts strapped for cash on their addiction.

Are they gonna forgo food, for bullets?

[ancianita]

39. Wow. GOAT Badass Joe does it again.

We and Russia are the biggest arms exporters on the planet, so yep, his cutting off some of their market will be met with positive reaction by US gun manufacturers and sellers.

[copperearth]

41. What a mind this president has!

And not only that but he has the "balls" to get things done without fanfare! No wonder the Republicans hate him.

[The Jungle 1]

44. Trump banned guns and the right was silent.

Trump banned whole classes of russian made guns. The right said nothing. The putrid NRA said nothing.

[lagomorph777]

47. Probably US gun makers are thrilled.

But yeah, gun nuts will be annoyed. Too bad.

[Kaleva]

50. Yes. I think this will be a boon for US manufacturers of guns and ammo.