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Tue Aug 24, 2021, 05:42 PM

The "Moderate 9" in the House need to suck it up and get with Biden's program

There is nothing "moderate" in bucking both President Biden's and Speaker Pelosi's legislative agenda.

If centrists like the President and the Speaker are too "far left" for these self described "moderates" in the House, perhaps they really need to think long and hard what we Democrats need to accomplish to both govern effectively and, importantly, to get re-elected in 2022 and in 2024.

In short, the "Moderate 9" all need to suck it up and get with the program.

Progressives like myself have. It's what we all should be doing as Democrats for the good of the country.

Pardon my subdued rage.



EDIT: To those that replied a deal was made this afternoon, that was only a first step towards drafting Biden's plan this fall.

The 220-212 vote was a first step toward drafting Bidenís $3.5 billion rebuilding plan this fall, and the narrow outcome, in the face of stiff Republican opposition, showed the power a few voices have to alter the debate and signaled the challenges ahead still threatening to upend the presidentís agenda.

After a turbulent 24 hours that brought House proceedings to a standstill, Speaker Nancy Pelosi told her colleagues before the vote that the legislation represents a federal investment on par with the New Deal and the Great Society.

Pelosi brushed aside the delays. ďThatís just part of the legislative process,Ē she said, according to an aide granted anonymity to discuss a closed-door caucus meeting.

Tensions had flared as a band of moderate lawmakers threatened to withhold their votes for the $3.5 trillion plan. They were demanding the House first approve a nearly $1 trillion bipartisan package of other public works projects thatís already passed the Senate.

In brokering the compromise, Pelosi committed to voting on the bipartisan package no later than Sept. 27, an attempt to assure lawmakers it won't be left on the sidelines. It's also in keeping with with Pelosi's insistence that the two bills move together as a more complete collection of Biden's priorities. Pelosi has set a goal of passing both by Oct. 1.

Easing off the stalemate will shelve, for now, the stark divisions between moderate and progressive lawmakers who make up the Democrats' so-slim House majority. But as the drama spilled out during what was supposed to be a quick session as lawmakers returned to work for a few days in August, it showcased the party differences that threaten to upend Biden's ambitious rebuilding agenda.


I fear that the "Moderate 9" will continue to raise objections and threaten the President's 3.5 trillion dollar rebuilding plan.

So, as I said, the "Moderate 9" need to get with the program and stop bucking Biden's proposal. The President was elected with 81 MILLION votes to implement his goals for the country, no nine so called "moderates" should be impeding that.

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bluewater Aug 24 OP
leftstreet Aug 24 #1
questionseverything Aug 24 #14
Tomconroy Aug 24 #2
bluewater Aug 24 #5
Tomconroy Aug 24 #9
bluewater Aug 24 #10
mcar Aug 24 #3
bluewater Aug 24 #7
bluedevil4 Aug 24 #12
JustAnotherGen Aug 24 #4
bluewater Aug 24 #8
totodeinhere Aug 24 #13
bluewater Aug 24 #16
Name removed Aug 24 #6
eTXwLA Aug 24 #11
totodeinhere Aug 24 #15
bluewater Aug 24 #17
Celerity Aug 24 #20
Celerity Aug 24 #18
bluewater Aug 24 #19
Celerity Aug 24 #21

Response to bluewater (Original post)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 05:43 PM

1. I don't understand why they're calling themselves 'moderates'

There is nothing moderate about them

ugh

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 06:32 PM

14. Because the media is owned by billionaires?

They probably donít want these dems called corporate or conservative

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 05:46 PM

2. You are not paying attention. A deal was done this afternoon.

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Response to Tomconroy (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 05:53 PM

5. You are not paying attention. The 220-212 vote was just a first step toward drafting Biden's plan

The 220-212 vote was a first step toward drafting Bidenís $3.5 billion rebuilding plan this fall, and the narrow outcome, in the face of stiff Republican opposition, showed the power a few voices have to alter the debate and signaled the challenges ahead still threatening to upend the presidentís agenda.

After a turbulent 24 hours that brought House proceedings to a standstill, Speaker Nancy Pelosi told her colleagues before the vote that the legislation represents a federal investment on par with the New Deal and the Great Society.

Pelosi brushed aside the delays. ďThatís just part of the legislative process,Ē she said, according to an aide granted anonymity to discuss a closed-door caucus meeting.

Tensions had flared as a band of moderate lawmakers threatened to withhold their votes for the $3.5 trillion plan. They were demanding the House first approve a nearly $1 trillion bipartisan package of other public works projects thatís already passed the Senate.

In brokering the compromise, Pelosi committed to voting on the bipartisan package no later than Sept. 27, an attempt to assure lawmakers it won't be left on the sidelines. It's also in keeping with with Pelosi's insistence that the two bills move together as a more complete collection of Biden's priorities. Pelosi has set a goal of passing both by Oct. 1.

Easing off the stalemate will shelve, for now, the stark divisions between moderate and progressive lawmakers who make up the Democrats' so-slim House majority. But as the drama spilled out during what was supposed to be a quick session as lawmakers returned to work for a few days in August, it showcased the party differences that threaten to upend Biden's ambitious rebuilding agenda.


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Response to bluewater (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 06:03 PM

9. "That's just part of the legislative process". So true!

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Response to Tomconroy (Reply #9)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 06:07 PM

10. "it showcased the party differences that threaten to upend Biden's ambitious rebuilding agenda"

So true!

Again, the so called "Moderate 9" need to stop bucking President Biden's agenda.

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 05:48 PM

3. Um, they did

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Response to mcar (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 05:54 PM

7. Just a first step.

The 220-212 vote was a first step toward drafting Bidenís $3.5 billion rebuilding plan this fall, and the narrow outcome, in the face of stiff Republican opposition, showed the power a few voices have to alter the debate and signaled the challenges ahead still threatening to upend the presidentís agenda.

After a turbulent 24 hours that brought House proceedings to a standstill, Speaker Nancy Pelosi told her colleagues before the vote that the legislation represents a federal investment on par with the New Deal and the Great Society.

Pelosi brushed aside the delays. ďThatís just part of the legislative process,Ē she said, according to an aide granted anonymity to discuss a closed-door caucus meeting.

Tensions had flared as a band of moderate lawmakers threatened to withhold their votes for the $3.5 trillion plan. They were demanding the House first approve a nearly $1 trillion bipartisan package of other public works projects thatís already passed the Senate.

In brokering the compromise, Pelosi committed to voting on the bipartisan package no later than Sept. 27, an attempt to assure lawmakers it won't be left on the sidelines. It's also in keeping with with Pelosi's insistence that the two bills move together as a more complete collection of Biden's priorities. Pelosi has set a goal of passing both by Oct. 1.

Easing off the stalemate will shelve, for now, the stark divisions between moderate and progressive lawmakers who make up the Democrats' so-slim House majority. But as the drama spilled out during what was supposed to be a quick session as lawmakers returned to work for a few days in August, it showcased the party differences that threaten to upend Biden's ambitious rebuilding agenda.

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Response to bluewater (Reply #7)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 06:20 PM

12. Thank you

 

I thought it had passed

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 05:52 PM

4. Seems like they have reached an agreement

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-democrats-break-internal-impasse-to-adopt-3-5t-budget-plan/ar-AANHGMC?ocid=entnewsntp

After talks that stretched late into Monday night and then Tuesday morning, Pelosi and the moderates agreed to a resolution committing to vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill by Sept. 27. Democratic leaders also adjusted the rule containing a provision to automatically deem the budget resolution as adopted so that the House wouldn't have to hold a standalone vote on it.

Hours later, moderates still concerned that the pledge wasn't binding enough secured additional language in the rule stating that the House "shall consider" the bipartisan bill on Sept. 27 if it isn't voted upon before then.



The progressives need to understand -not everyone comes from a bright blue district like Omar or AOC or Tlaib. Some of us live in districts that were flipped from red in 2018 - and we know what it is going to take to maintain those seats next year.

"Yes, we have differences. Yes, we have different perspectives. And we're a big-tent party. And we represent different areas of the country," said Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), who helped negotiate the deal with Gottheimer. "But we have been able to come together and pass things that we wanted to pass.

"That doesn't mean everybody's euphoric, but it does mean that everybody has confidence that we're moving ahead on their priorities," he added.


Everyone isn't getting a pony. Nobody gets their way 100% of the time. And I know Gottheimer's district is much like mine - and we DO have interests at our kitchen table that the bright blue district progressives cannot even begin to comprehend. They don't have to. They are never going to have to fight a Republican for their seat.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 05:56 PM

8. Seems like only a first step was taken.

The 220-212 vote was a first step toward drafting Bidenís $3.5 billion rebuilding plan this fall, and the narrow outcome, in the face of stiff Republican opposition, showed the power a few voices have to alter the debate and signaled the challenges ahead still threatening to upend the presidentís agenda.

After a turbulent 24 hours that brought House proceedings to a standstill, Speaker Nancy Pelosi told her colleagues before the vote that the legislation represents a federal investment on par with the New Deal and the Great Society.

Pelosi brushed aside the delays. ďThatís just part of the legislative process,Ē she said, according to an aide granted anonymity to discuss a closed-door caucus meeting.

Tensions had flared as a band of moderate lawmakers threatened to withhold their votes for the $3.5 trillion plan. They were demanding the House first approve a nearly $1 trillion bipartisan package of other public works projects thatís already passed the Senate.

In brokering the compromise, Pelosi committed to voting on the bipartisan package no later than Sept. 27, an attempt to assure lawmakers it won't be left on the sidelines. It's also in keeping with with Pelosi's insistence that the two bills move together as a more complete collection of Biden's priorities. Pelosi has set a goal of passing both by Oct. 1.

Easing off the stalemate will shelve, for now, the stark divisions between moderate and progressive lawmakers who make up the Democrats' so-slim House majority. But as the drama spilled out during what was supposed to be a quick session as lawmakers returned to work for a few days in August, it showcased the party differences that threaten to upend Biden's ambitious rebuilding agenda.


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Response to bluewater (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 06:29 PM

13. But before we have a second step we have to have a first step.

The legislative process is usually very frustratingly slow. That's just the way it is. But not only did President propose an ambitious program which I support, he has emphasized the need to listen to all points of view and to compromise. I have no problem with those so-called moderates staking out a position on this issue. More progressive members of the House have also taken positions from time to time which may contradict some specifics in Biden's proposal. I hope you are not saying that the progressives can campaign for their priorities while the moderates cannot. That would be contrary to the vision that President Biden ran on.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #13)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 06:46 PM

16. I find their self-labeling as "moderate" misleading

If the "Moderate 9" are actually moderate, what are President Biden and Speaker Pelosi?

"Leftists"? Hardly.

At least the Progressives self-identify correctly.

Unlike the "Moderate 9", the vast majority of moderate Democrats in Congress are onboard with President Biden's proposals.

And you are correct, the Democratic Party is indeed a big tent. There are progressive, moderate and, gasp, conservative wings of the party.

But the thing is, President Biden and Speaker Pelosi are the quintessential moderates, and the so called "Moderate 9" have been out of step with their legislative goals.

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 06:12 PM

11. Progressives need to accept that us Blue Dogs exist and always have and

that the Democratic Party has always been a big tent party.

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Response to eTXwLA (Reply #11)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 06:32 PM

15. And without the more "moderate" members of the caucus we don't have chance of keeping the

House majority in the next election.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #15)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 06:47 PM

17. The VAST majority of moderate Democrats in Congress support Biden's plans

Unlike the "Moderate 9".

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Response to eTXwLA (Reply #11)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 07:08 PM

20. except that on this, the 10 (Stephanie Murphy has now joined the first 9) are outnumbered 210 to 10

96 of that 210 number are members of the Progressive Caucus, making it the biggest single group in the Dem House caucus.

The big tent of our Party overwhelmingly favours Pelosi's and Biden's stances and bills, the 10 who are trying to manoeuvre things so they effectively have unchecked veto power over the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill (or whatever figure it ends up that is too big for them) are in the vast minority.

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 06:51 PM

18. It is 10 now, Stephanie Murphy (FL-7) another Problem Solvers member, joined the 9 over the weekend.

She is one of the most moderately conservative Dems in the House Caucus (one of only 6 current Dems who had both substantial amounts of votes and who voted with Trump over 50% of the time in the 115th House, along with Henry Cuellar, Conor Lamb, (both of whom were close to 70% in terms of voting with Trump), Tom O'Halleran, and Josh Gottheimer, plus the 'now in the Senate' Sinema ).

Murphy is the chair of the Blue Dogs as well.

She is one of only 10 'trifecta' members, meaning she belongs to all 3 moderate/centrist/conservative Dem Caucuses:

Blue Dog Coalition
New Democrat Coalition
Problem Solvers Caucus

along with Carolyn Bourdeaux, Tom O'Halleran, Lou Correa, Jim Costa, Brad Schneider, Josh Gottheimer, Kurt Schrader, Vicente Gonzalez, and Abigail Spanberger.


Here the 10 moderates/centrists (Cuellar is a conservative on many things) in discussion about the 2 infrastructure bills, you can see the overlap with the above lists.

Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey
Carolyn Bourdeaux of Georgia
Filemon Vela of Texas
Jared Golden of Maine
Henry Cuellar of Texas
Vicente Gonzalez of Texas
Ed Case of Hawaii
Jim Costa of California
Kurt Schrader of Oregon
Stephanie Murphy of Florida

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Response to Celerity (Reply #18)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 06:58 PM

19. It's interesting that fiscally conservative Democrats choose to brand as "moderates"

Interesting and misleading.

The vast majority of moderate Democrats in Congress are onboard with President Biden's plans.

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Response to bluewater (Reply #19)

Tue Aug 24, 2021, 07:17 PM

21. well, other than Henry Cuellar, there are no truly cultural 'conservative' Dems left in the House

A few have some cultural conservative stances, but Cuellar, now with Lipinski and Collin Peterson being defeated in 2020, laps the rest. Safe Blue district too (never in its history has it elected a Rethug) but the challengers to him lately have been too far left to beat him in the primary.

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