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Thu Aug 26, 2021, 07:46 PM

Honest question. Did those US people in Afghanistan not realize that they needed to get out earlier?

Were people even able to get out of Afghanistan earlier? Did State ever advise to get out earlier?

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Reply Honest question. Did those US people in Afghanistan not realize that they needed to get out earlier? (Original post)
Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2021 OP
Historic NY Aug 2021 #1
left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #2
Niagara Aug 2021 #7
SMC22307 Aug 2021 #3
Make7 Aug 2021 #4
DenaliDemocrat Aug 2021 #5
Phoenix61 Aug 2021 #11
El Supremo Aug 2021 #6
Enter stage left Aug 2021 #8
sop Aug 2021 #9
KentuckyWoman Aug 2021 #10
JCMach1 Aug 2021 #12

Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Aug 26, 2021, 07:49 PM

1. Alams and Advisorys were issued by the Embassey from March to July

Warning, they should leave now while commercial flights were arriving at the airport.

I just the Sec of State should have sent invitations

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Aug 26, 2021, 07:56 PM

2. According to a thread I posted earlier ...

The state department was telling Americans every three weeks to get out since around March.
I'm posting this from my phone so can't make the connection to that thread right now.

They said their warnings became stronger and stronger but people just ignored them.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Aug 26, 2021, 08:00 PM

3. I read that State issued warnings starting mid-April and even offered...

to pay airfare. Think it was from a WaPo article...

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Aug 26, 2021, 08:09 PM

4. Security Alert: U.S. Embassy Kabul - May 15, 2021

...

The Embassy reminds U.S. citizens that on April 27, 2021, the Department of State ordered the departure from U.S. Embassy Kabul of U.S. government employees whose functions can be performed elsewhere due to increasing violence and threat reports in Kabul. The Travel Advisory for Afghanistan remains Level 4-Do Not Travel due to crime, terrorism, civil unrest, kidnapping, armed conflict, and COVID-19. Commercial flight options from Hamid Karzai International Airport (HKIA) remain available and the U.S. Embassy strongly suggests that U.S. citizens make plans to leave Afghanistan as soon as possible. Given the security conditions and reduced staffing, the Embassy’s ability to assist U.S. citizens in Afghanistan is extremely limited.

...

https://af.usembassy.gov/security-alert-may-15-2021/

It was announced in mid-April that all U.S. troops would be withdrawn by September 11th. There were plenty of signs for months that it was probably time to leave - sooner rather than later.

I think pretty much everyone was expecting the Afghan government to stay in place in Kabul at least until the last of the U.S. troops finally left.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Aug 26, 2021, 08:13 PM

5. You are witnessing Phase 3 of a deadly pandemic

When 3 FREE vaccines exist, and you wonder if people did not leave because they were not warned ahead of time?

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Response to DenaliDemocrat (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 26, 2021, 08:54 PM

11. Good point. Never underestimate how stupid people can be. nt

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Aug 26, 2021, 08:21 PM

6. A lot of those "US people" have strong Afghan ties.

Notably family and dedication. Many won't leave.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Aug 26, 2021, 08:39 PM

8. Engineers have a saying...

"As time goes towards zero, effort goes to infinity".

Just so the repuq lurkers can understand; if it wasn't for the last minute, nothing would get done.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Aug 26, 2021, 08:46 PM

9. After twenty years of the US kicking the can down the road, most people thought we'd never leave.


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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Aug 26, 2021, 08:49 PM

10. Some will stay by choice. Some are scrambling

To get papers for family they want to get out and some will stay with intent to leave later.

If I am an Aghan American with sick, elderly or otherwise vulnerable family who is there, the choice to wait as long as possible, or even stay is not unreasonable.

Reporting is about 1500 registered Americans still have not left. I would expect their reasons to be varied and thoughtful. I doubt any of them are taking this lightly.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Aug 26, 2021, 11:02 PM

12. It is regular policy by Middle East expats to ignore most Warnings...

They are always hair on fire typically all the time...

Having said that... If you were paying attention at all to what's going on around you should have been making plans months ago.

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