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Sun Aug 29, 2021, 06:22 AM

COVID's Still Here Because "All Lives Matter" is a Lie

Sadly, I fear that we will avoid confronting the more profound meaning. Because to admit we were brought low by the prejudices of large segments of Americans will be too much for some to bear.

But it is inarguable, and I can prove it.

A combination of racism, classism, ageism, and ableism — all connected in that they all rely on a hierarchy of human value — and the indifference to the suffering of certain groups’ members is at the heart of our failures.
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From there, the horses were out of the barn, as the saying goes, and there was no bringing them back. Concern about COVID was associated with liberalism and Democrats, which means those perceived as the constituencies of the Democratic Party: Black folks and other peoples of color, and people who live in large metropolitan areas.

So a combination of racial indifference (and class indifference, as it was also disproportionately impacting low-wage workers), along with regional prejudices, tied in the minds of the right to political party cleavages, caused much of the nation to demand taking our collective foot off the brake.

Rolling the dice became easier for millions because the people who were, in their minds, at-risk were unlike them in critical ways.
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Because like racism and classism, ageism reflects a hierarchy of human value. And in the face of a deadly pandemic, the elderly are at the bottom of that hierarchy.

In addition to off-handed remarks about the dead being mostly old, those opposed to distancing and masking were quick to suggest that if you didn’t have some pre-existing condition, you had nothing to worry about.

But what was the message here? First, the implicit subtext was, they were already sick, and that was their own fault. They should have taken care of themselves. Sorry about the diabetes, but you should have eaten better. Sorry about the cancer, but I bet you were a smoker. Sorry about the high blood pressure — should have done yoga or CrossFit, lazy.
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And whereas the first months of the pandemic saw a clustering of deaths in large cities, by the end of 2020, the dying was disproportionately happening in whiter and rural areas.

So although age-adjusted mortality is still disproportionate for Black and brown folks, the overall death percentages for whites roughly mirror the white population now.

What all this means is that there are hundreds of thousands of white families who have buried their loved ones because large percentages of Americans — especially people like them — didn’t take COVID seriously when it was seen as a Black and big-city problem.


Sadly, because the political battle lines are hardened, even as white death spreads across the country, and younger death — the result of a variant wreaking havoc on people much healthier than last year’s victims — those who staked their claim to denial and “muh freedoms” are backed into a corner, too ideologically rigid to admit they were wrong.
But hopefully the rest of us can learn the lesson, even if the anti-vax fanatics refuse to do so.

And that lesson is this: Indifference is toxic, and it seeps into the soil upon which we all stand.

[link:https://timjwise.medium.com/covids-still-here-because-all-lives-matter-is-a-lie-c05210bfaa7d|]
Emphasis mine

More at the link and worth reading the whole thing IMO
They have backed themselves into a empathy free white lives matter corner from which is there is no way out without admitting they were wrong. But at least they have horse wormer, so there is that 👀

The soil right now according to the NYT hot spot map.



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Reply COVID's Still Here Because "All Lives Matter" is a Lie (Original post)
Soph0571 Aug 2021 OP
Maeve Aug 2021 #1
MyMission Aug 2021 #18
Maeve Aug 2021 #20
lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #33
Maeve Aug 2021 #36
3Hotdogs Aug 2021 #2
Hortensis Aug 2021 #3
Lonestarblue Aug 2021 #5
Hortensis Aug 2021 #10
Wounded Bear Aug 2021 #12
Hortensis Aug 2021 #16
Rabrrrrrr Aug 2021 #22
Hortensis Aug 2021 #23
Wounded Bear Aug 2021 #28
Hortensis Aug 2021 #30
Wounded Bear Aug 2021 #32
Hortensis Aug 2021 #35
ProfessorGAC Aug 2021 #25
Hortensis Aug 2021 #26
TheDemsshouldhireme Aug 2021 #4
cinematicdiversions Aug 2021 #21
Wounded Bear Aug 2021 #29
LymphocyteLover Aug 2021 #6
Wounded Bear Aug 2021 #13
LymphocyteLover Aug 2021 #24
Wounded Bear Aug 2021 #27
LymphocyteLover Aug 2021 #31
jaxexpat Aug 2021 #7
Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2021 #8
IronLionZion Aug 2021 #9
patphil Aug 2021 #11
c-rational Aug 2021 #14
MrModerate Aug 2021 #15
fescuerescue Aug 2021 #34
Name removed Aug 2021 #17
leighbythesea2 Aug 2021 #19

Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 06:59 AM

1. It's so easy to blame the victims because we believe we are in control

My neighbors got the vaccine and thought that they were safe. She went on a trip to Alaska and followed all the "mask on the plane, wipe things down" rules. The day she returned, she thought she was just tired from the trip. Within a couple of days, her husband (who hadn't gone) was sick, too. So were her traveling companions. I went over to talk to her and we stayed outside, six feet apart. When I heard her symptoms, I told her to get tested for covid. Sure enough, two days later her husband tested positive and so have the companions.

We were supposed to go on a business trip this weekend and the neighbors were supposed to watch our cats. But...had I really stayed far enough away? By CDC guidelines, I should be safe, but...well, we cancelled our trip at the last minute. (One of our cats got sick, which made the decision easier, but that is a side issue) We lost out on a chunk of money and we seem to be fine, but if either of us had gotten sick and been the cause of an outbreak (we were going to a lower-vaxed area),...

Even those of us who follow the rules can get sick (just like even those who never smoke can get lung cancer--illness only partially discriminates). So we still have to try to help the damned fools who stepped in the easily-avoided mess. Because if we become indifferent to their suffering, we become them.
Please understand that I am not disagreeing with the OP in any way shape of form--just adding a personal experience to point out how difficult being a good liberal is in this time of pandemic. Oh, and the neighbors and companions are recovering from the slighter symptoms (thank you. vaccine!)
And my cat is fine now, too.

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Response to Maeve (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 10:30 AM

18. "...if we become indifferent to their suffering, we become them."

Absolutely agree, and thanks for sharing. I was just thinking something along those lines.
Yet another challenge as we (collectively) are exhausted, and many are feeling the loss of compassion, empathy, patience and gratitude; a hardening of our hearts.

It's a pandemic, not a war. (It should be a war against the pandemic.) It won't just disappear, and can't be conquered in an instant. The world, and our country are full of many different "types" of people. Aside from getting everyone vaccinated and using precautions until then, we've got to be diligent to not become polarized, because that erodes our psyche and society, in my opinion.

I don't believe in the devil, per se, but there are dark forces that seize every opportunity to sow chaos and division to gain power and leverage. (Think GOP, for example) Good/bad, democrat/republican, blue/red, us/them, vaxed/unvaxed (which includes children under 12), black/white, and so on. I have to stop myself from thinking along those lines too much, falling prey to feelings of blame and anger. They do come, but I've got this community to vent and find others who are having those moments.

We've had 18 months with no end in sight, although many fell into the trap of believing it would be over once the vaccine was available. Vaccines always take time/years to circulate and become maximally effective against a pandemic, especially with mutations. We all need to "embrace" a new normal of precautions with consideration for others. Not all will, but eventually enough shall.
We the vaccinated have more protection against severe illness. That's a blessing, at least.
It's important to count our blessings.

I just turned 60, don't have kids or a spouse, or living parents so I don't have the worry or concerns many have, of their loved ones being exposed. I do have a friend with a young child who started homeschooling late 2019, pre-covid and they're doing great. A close cousin had covid twice; February 2020, and July 2021, hospitalized both times, mild COPD got worse and she was immunocompromised from first bought. She's making plans to get out of Florida, moving closer to me which I look forward to. Glad your neighbors and your cat are doing well.

I've worked part-time retail for 15 years in an old democratic family run store, and have continued to wear a mask as has one boss. The other boss and several coworkers stopped for a while but resumed when the CDC recommended it. We're all vaccinated, but our red NC county vax rate is just above 50%. The town is holding their annual labor day festival this year, 4 days of huge crowds, main street closed for 10 blocks. I work extra days for this. Folks exposed on Friday will be spreading it by Sunday, both vaxed and unvaxed. Not looking forward to it, because we know the bulk of the attendees are not of the cautious variety (to put it delicately).

I'm going to ask my bosses about putting the masks required sign back on the door, if it's not up on Tuesday when I'm back. They were talking about it, so they probably will.




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Response to MyMission (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 10:48 AM

20. Thank you

I saw both my 90-yr old mom and my under-2 grandson before the neighbor got tested, so I was a little scared of having passed the virus on (thankfully, not an issue). I probably shouldn't be binging on episodes of "Monk" right now (he's an extreme germophobe, for anyone not familiar with the show)

On the plus side, after two full days of doing nothing, I woke feeling better than I have in quite a while. Being forced to unplug seems to be what I needed.

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Response to Maeve (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 30, 2021, 08:51 AM

33. To me, the idea of air travel is literally insane.

I would not do it if my job depended on it. My life is more important to those who depend on me.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #33)

Mon Aug 30, 2021, 12:18 PM

36. Due to the onset timing, she probably got infected in Alaska, not on the plane

But I understand your point and the feeling that goes with it.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 07:08 AM

2. "Hundreds of thousands of white people .... didn't take Covid seriously when it was seen

as a Black and big city problem."

It was the same with Aids/HIV. Because it was a disease of perverts, well why bother worrying about it. It only became important when the virus crossed over into the suburbs.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 07:14 AM

3. Depraved indifference to life by some does NOT mean by all.

If it did, the human race would never have made it to the Stone Age.

All lives matter to many of us, and as long as that's the case, it's not a lie. How many here in 2021 aren't among the "we" for whom this below has only grown in strength, and scope and meaning over the past 245 years?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 07:51 AM

5. Holding those truths to be self-evident is what makes us human and humane.

But so many of our fellow citizens do not. Their definition of inalienable rights does not match mine because they place their white privilege above all else. I don’t know how to reach people like this, but we need better education to prevent creating more of them in the future.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 08:59 AM

10. Better education, yes, but our far-right crazies reject all education

past and present that contradicts what they want to believe. Fwiw, I've read that many will reject their own behaviors if they're somehow made aware of them. They want to be good (they believe they are!), but reportedly most tend to be low in ability for self awareness.

One thing we know, all societies will always have members who are prone to excessive hostility toward change and differences, and need authoritarian leaders to obey. Bad leaders will always be able use their fears to incite great hostility in them and direct it against people who eat potatoes instead of pasta or those who live on the other side of the river. Race differences not needed.

It's always the job of those capable of being responsible to keep them in check, and we really lost control. Maybe more education regarding moral issues -- for everyone? Can't make everyone believe all lives matter but can underline that it as a guiding, working principle for the majority who do.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 09:10 AM

12. I took that statement a bit differently...

in that saying "All Lives Matter was a lie" to me means that those who expoused that opinion were lying, to others and more importantly to themselves.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 09:28 AM

16. I can't see it. Then all lives don't matter? I'd guess if it was a lie

that'd have to be true. They don't, not to anyone, not at least in this world. Or any others anyone might go on to.



I think the statement can ONLY be true or false for each individual.

We're not ants. Never were, never will be.

And that any standard or principle that would require everyone to meet it to be true is no standard at all. Rather a denial of standard and denial of principle. This is the real world, after all.

I also don't think it has to be completely true for each of us all the time. We can fail our own beliefs sometimes without negating our own potential for goodness permanently.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 11:55 AM

22. No, the point being that those who respond "All lives matter" to "black lives matter"

are the same asshole not getting vaccinated, not taking this seriously - and thus THEY are shown to be liars, because clearly they don't actually believe "all lives matter". All they really meant was "black lives don't matter" but didn't have the courage to just say it.

The phrase "all lives matter" as espoused by the racist human garbage that says it is a lie. It is not a lie in the abstract; though it does have an obfuscatory component to it.

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Response to Rabrrrrrr (Reply #22)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 12:17 PM

23. Oh, a W-on-B racism take. Got it. Dumb me, took long enough.



But these days genuine depraved indifference to all lives, and vicious hatreds, are soaring. It's far, FAR worse on the right, but also growing shockingly prevalent on the left in response. And that's why I was thinking as I was.

Many of the trumpists really do hate everyone not with them, and we know from studies are one opportunistic mob away from violence. That almost everyone goes around encased in a car these days, not walking alone or traveling in packs, is a good thing.

Given that giant threat to everyone right now, I don't think we should allow them to distract our thinking only to the W-on-B racism of some rabid conservatives. We also can't spend all our time wrestling in racist swamps without soaking up some of their stink and forgetting our duty to all, even them.

I wouldn't put it on a placard and take it to a BLM march, but of course all lives really do matter, and for liberal Democrats, anyway, that principle underlies all others.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #23)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 06:18 PM

28. The real truth is that they hate themselves, and project that toward others...

acting like they hate everybody who is "not like them" when in truth we are all fundamentally the same.

There has been a growing problem on the left, which has been alluded to, in whice we are starting to lose empathy for the anti-vaxx crowd because of their stances that prolong the pandemic crisis longer than necessary through their childish attitudes.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #28)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 07:21 PM

30. And fear, lots of fear.

I think we've been far too tolerant of spreading deadly disease to others and not calling it out for what it is.

But there are ways to stand against that without a factional antipathy that denies them all respect and consideration, denies it's ever deserved. And that makes people incapable of empathy for what it is to be strongly conservative in a frightening world moving inexorably on without them. They matter too.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #30)

Mon Aug 30, 2021, 08:44 AM

32. They fear being exposed for the weak, selfish individuals they are...

Just like their hero, trump, they can't stand that the truth about them might get out.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #32)

Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:28 AM

35. No doubt. Barricaded behind mental walls, many must suspect

or be denying somewhere within that they've betrayed almost all they once claimed to be. We're seeing a lot of anger and defensiveness that others don't respect, and even despise, who they see themselves as now. At the same time, many are deservedly loved and respected by those they care about and give to.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 12:42 PM

25. I Think You Missed It, Hortensis

Last edited Sun Aug 29, 2021, 01:16 PM - Edit history (1)

The article is saying that the folks that SAY "all lives matter" as an unclever respond to BLM, are the same people whose actions during COVID prove they don't really believe all lives matter.
I think you're taking too broad a view. It's specific to the COVID deniers who claim all lives matter.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 01:15 PM

26. Right, and that's true. They are the same people. It's really worth

underlining, though, that anti-BLM racists and factional disease spreaders are the same people. They are and always have been broad-brush hostiles against everyone they see as against them. Which is basically everyone not them.

Now many have worked themselves up to lethal levels of fear and hate. Of course, they're even killing each other as a cost of using an opportunistic disease against everyone else. If those could, they'd elect national leaders who'd do a much better job of that. And the rest would go along.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 07:45 AM

4. Watch Bill Maher

he loves to go after obesity is the issue with them dying.

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Response to TheDemsshouldhireme (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 11:16 AM

21. Is he wrong?

 

Their are plenty of posts here showing people who died of covid and claiming they had no underlying conditions when it was clear that they from the picture that they were obese. There does seem to be a significant hesitancy to point out the obvious when it comes to people being overweight in the United States.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 06:21 PM

29. I consider my obesity as one of my co-morbitities...

I'm not "morbidly obese," only 30 lbs or so on a 5'10" frame. But I am overweight, and that's makes me more vulnerable.

Fully vaxxed, though, and waiting for my invitation for a booster.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 07:55 AM

6. I'm so old that I remember when the GOP considered themselves to be "pro-life"

Motherfuckers.

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Response to LymphocyteLover (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 09:11 AM

13. Don't kid yourself, they still do think of themselves as "pro life"...

the hypocrisy has not died.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 12:31 PM

24. It's getting harder and harder to maintain the pretense, I think

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Response to LymphocyteLover (Reply #24)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 06:12 PM

27. Religious nuts thrive on paradox...nt

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #27)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 08:29 PM

31. True-- they will cling on to the anti-abortion thing desperately, as twisted as

that stance is and ignore the deaths of fully-formed mature humans they cause.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 08:00 AM

7. Premise, title, is dead on right.

Dismissal of self awareness and a blasé attitude toward honest personal assessment are the hallmarks of these people. Outraged at the concept "black lives matter" one finds them spitting back the trite and ill-conceived rejoinder, "all lives matter", offhandedly, like swatting at gnats, revealing the cocoon of casual smugness they've nested. It's the "I've got mine" of white pandemicacy. Just as livestock de-wormer misses the mark for preventing or treating Covid-19, so does this mental social disease erroneously and fatally dismiss their candidacy for infection. For folks that shallow, lies pass for common knowledge.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 08:27 AM

8. Not even their own white lives matter. They are willing to kill their children to own libruhls. . nt

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 08:36 AM

9. It's raging harder in Trump counties than Biden counties

Because even in the South and West, Biden counties are more vaccinated.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 09:06 AM

11. Willful ignorance is also toxic, and goes hand in hand with indifference.

None are so blind as those who choose not to see.
None are so deaf as those who choose not to hear.

For them a new word has been coined: Freedumb.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 09:12 AM

14. "Indifference is toxic" - Interesting article Soph - Thanks for posting.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sun Aug 29, 2021, 09:19 AM

15. Excuse me, but "A combination of racism, classism, ageism, and ableism"...

 

Means that the only ones truly responsible for the problem are White people who think they're middle class, between the ages of 30–50.

I'm pretty sure it's much more complicated than that.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #15)

Mon Aug 30, 2021, 08:55 AM

34. Yea I think the writer missed the irony off that.

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Sun Aug 29, 2021, 10:33 AM

19. So well put

Your synopsis as well. I have copied and pasted it into my phone notes. Not that i would attempt this logic on any Republican I know. You know how admitting you were misguided is, nearly impossible. People just double down.

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