Mon Aug 30, 2021, 08:31 AM
MisterNiceKitty (422 posts)
New Zealand Reports First Death Linked to Pfizer Vaccine
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-30/new-zealand-reports-first-death-linked-to-pfizer-covid-vaccine
By Matthew Brockett August 29, 2021 New Zealand health authorities reported what they believe to be the country’s first death linked to the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine. A woman died from myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle wall, following her Pfizer vaccination, New Zealand’s Covid-19 Vaccine Independent Safety Monitoring Board said in an emailed statement on Monday. It said myocarditis is known to be a rare side effect of the Pfizer vaccine. related: https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/clinicians-reminded-be-aware-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-symptoms "Clinicians reminded to be aware of myocarditis and pericarditis symptoms Media release 30 August 2021 The COVID-19 Vaccine Independent Safety Monitoring Board (CV-ISMB) has advised the Ministry of Health to ensure that healthcare professionals and consumers remain vigilant and are aware of the signs of myocarditis and pericarditis. This advice follows the CV-ISMB's review of the death of a woman following her Comirnaty Pfizer COVID-19 vaccination. The CV-ISMB extends their sympathies to the woman’s family and friends during this difficult time and thanks the family for their assistance with this investigation. The CV-ISMB has considered that the woman’s death was due to myocarditis, which is known to be a rare side effect of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine. The case has been referred to the Coroner and the cause of death has not yet been determined. The CV-ISMB considered that the myocarditis was probably due to vaccination. The CV-ISMB noted that there were other medical issues occurring at the same time which may have influenced the outcome following vaccination. Further details cannot be released while the Coroner investigates. In New Zealand, adverse events following vaccinations are reported to the Centre for Adverse Reactions Monitoring (CARM). All cases with a fatal outcome are referred to the CV-ISMB for review. CARM provides as much information on the case as possible for the clinical experts on the CV-ISMB to help them in their consideration of whether there was a link to vaccination."
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MisterNiceKitty | Aug 2021 | OP |
marybourg | Aug 2021 | #1 | |
obamanut2012 | Aug 2021 | #2 | |
PA Democrat | Aug 2021 | #3 | |
Ohio Joe | Aug 2021 | #7 | |
uponit7771 | Aug 2021 | #4 | |
MisterNiceKitty | Aug 2021 | #10 | |
ornotna | Aug 2021 | #11 | |
Demsrule86 | Aug 2021 | #18 | |
obamanut2012 | Aug 2021 | #20 | |
Demsrule86 | Aug 2021 | #36 | |
obamanut2012 | Aug 2021 | #13 | |
Demsrule86 | Aug 2021 | #16 | |
Blues Heron | Aug 2021 | #5 | |
MisterNiceKitty | Aug 2021 | #8 | |
Mariana | Aug 2021 | #38 | |
Treefrog | Aug 2021 | #6 | |
MisterNiceKitty | Aug 2021 | #9 | |
Demsrule86 | Aug 2021 | #17 | |
NickB79 | Aug 2021 | #12 | |
MisterNiceKitty | Aug 2021 | #14 | |
kentuck | Aug 2021 | #19 | |
obamanut2012 | Aug 2021 | #21 | |
NickB79 | Aug 2021 | #23 | |
MisterNiceKitty | Aug 2021 | #24 | |
NickB79 | Aug 2021 | #25 | |
MisterNiceKitty | Aug 2021 | #26 | |
NickB79 | Aug 2021 | #28 | |
retread | Aug 2021 | #31 | |
radicalleft | Aug 2021 | #15 | |
FrankBooth | Aug 2021 | #22 | |
blogslug | Aug 2021 | #27 | |
MisterNiceKitty | Aug 2021 | #29 | |
LanternWaste | Aug 2021 | #30 | |
BradAllison | Aug 2021 | #37 | |
Celerity | Aug 2021 | #32 | |
Elessar Zappa | Aug 2021 | #33 | |
MisterNiceKitty | Aug 2021 | #34 | |
edhopper | Aug 2021 | #35 | |
dilby | Aug 2021 | #39 |
Response to MisterNiceKitty (Original post)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 08:46 AM
marybourg (11,094 posts)
1. The headline writer seems to have already
determined that there IS a link.
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Response to MisterNiceKitty (Original post)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 08:59 AM
obamanut2012 (22,743 posts)
2. I saw the header and guessed it would be you!
Happy Monday!
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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #2)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 09:59 AM
Ohio Joe (18,461 posts)
7. +1
I really hate anti-vax stupidity.
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Response to MisterNiceKitty (Original post)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 09:26 AM
uponit7771 (85,108 posts)
4. 1 death ...MAYBE .... attributed to vaccine
Response to uponit7771 (Reply #4)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:31 AM
MisterNiceKitty (422 posts)
10. yes one death which I'm sure matters a whole lot to the late woman's family
Response to MisterNiceKitty (Reply #10)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:34 AM
ornotna (9,722 posts)
11. And you
And your agenda.
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Response to ornotna (Reply #11)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:39 AM
Demsrule86 (59,162 posts)
18. And let's not forget this one...Pfizer should not be approved?
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #18)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:43 AM
obamanut2012 (22,743 posts)
20. ooooo i missed that one
Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #20)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 09:36 PM
Demsrule86 (59,162 posts)
36. It is so obvious.
Response to MisterNiceKitty (Reply #10)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:58 AM
obamanut2012 (22,743 posts)
13. lolz
Response to MisterNiceKitty (Reply #10)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:29 AM
Demsrule86 (59,162 posts)
16. Seriously, Anti-Vax are you?
Response to MisterNiceKitty (Original post)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 09:41 AM
Blues Heron (4,252 posts)
5. maybe read your own article?
"The case has been referred to the Coroner and the cause of death has not yet been determined."
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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #5)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:23 AM
MisterNiceKitty (422 posts)
8. meaning they are seeing a link preliminarily
Response to MisterNiceKitty (Reply #8)
Mariana This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to MisterNiceKitty (Original post)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 09:53 AM
Treefrog (3,620 posts)
6. I'd really like more details.
Had she had both jabs? How long ago? How old was she? Was she in good health otherwise?
So many questions. |
Response to Treefrog (Reply #6)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:23 AM
MisterNiceKitty (422 posts)
9. I hope full details should be coming soon considering the high degree
of public interest in this issue.
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Response to MisterNiceKitty (Reply #9)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:30 AM
Demsrule86 (59,162 posts)
17. I don't give a damn...just more nonsense.
Response to MisterNiceKitty (Original post)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:42 AM
NickB79 (16,827 posts)
12. Getting the vaccine is FAR safer than getting Covid
And given how transmissible Delta is, everyone will be exposed eventually.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-increases-risk-of-heart-inflammation-and-blood-clots-more-than-the-vaccines-studies-find/ The study found the mRNA vaccines did increase risk of myocarditis, with about 1 to 5 events per 100,000 persons. However, the presence of COVID-19 increased that risk even more, with 11 events per 100,000 persons.
Unfortunately, most people suck at gauging relative risk in daily life. Vaccines are no different. |
Response to NickB79 (Reply #12)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:06 AM
MisterNiceKitty (422 posts)
14. This is the first paragraph of the press release issued today by a NZ Health authority
The COVID-19 Vaccine Independent Safety Monitoring Board (CV-ISMB) has advised the Ministry of Health to ensure that healthcare professionals and consumers remain vigilant and are aware of the signs of myocarditis and pericarditis. This advice follows the CV-ISMB's review of the death of a woman following her Comirnaty Pfizer COVID-19 vaccination.
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Response to MisterNiceKitty (Reply #14)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:42 AM
kentuck (105,159 posts)
19. She died after the booster shot?
Is that the "Comirnaty"?
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Response to kentuck (Reply #19)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:44 AM
obamanut2012 (22,743 posts)
21. No, that is the name of the Pfizer CV19 vax
Moderna's is technically Spikevax.
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Response to MisterNiceKitty (Reply #14)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 12:21 PM
NickB79 (16,827 posts)
23. And? Your response didn't add anything to the conversation
No one has ever said the risk of death from vaccines was 0.00%
If her death was from a vaccine reaction, it literally changes nothing. Your risk of death is still twice as high without the vaccine. Everyone should still get their vaccine. Because Delta will find you eventually. Like I said, people really suck at gauging risk. |
Response to NickB79 (Reply #23)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 12:57 PM
MisterNiceKitty (422 posts)
24. Now you know it's not theoretical - it's a practical risk
I would follow the instructions in the NZ press release and contact my health care provider.
They can take it from there. |
Response to MisterNiceKitty (Reply #24)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 01:02 PM
NickB79 (16,827 posts)
25. It's always been a practical risk. People died from the Astra Zenica vaccine too
Months ago. And yet doctors still recommend to get your shot.
Hell, kids died from the polio vaccine 70 yr ago. We still recommend that as well. Like I said, nothing changes. Vaccines save millions of lives. |
Response to NickB79 (Reply #25)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 01:05 PM
MisterNiceKitty (422 posts)
26. I have taken many vaccines in my life and never gotten sick
much less ill enough to be hospitalized.
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Response to MisterNiceKitty (Reply #26)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 01:12 PM
NickB79 (16,827 posts)
28. Exactly! The risk is THAT LOW!
And as I posted earlier, the risk of myocardia with mRNA vaccines is around 5 cases per 100,000. And that's not ever deaths, just inflammation. Deaths are around 1 in 500,000 to 1 in a million. This is consistent with many other vaccines we've been using for decades, which is why you've never had an adverse vaccination reaction. And that's why everyone should get their COVID vaccine.
People suck at gauging risk. |
Response to MisterNiceKitty (Reply #26)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 03:04 PM
retread (3,619 posts)
31. Care to provide a list?
Response to MisterNiceKitty (Original post)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 11:26 AM
radicalleft (217 posts)
15. Boner pills can cause death too...
What's your point?
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Response to MisterNiceKitty (Original post)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 12:01 PM
FrankBooth (1,354 posts)
22. There are no guarantees with any medicine
But one guaranteed truth: Anti-vaxxers are ignorant fools.
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Response to MisterNiceKitty (Original post)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 01:09 PM
blogslug (36,006 posts)
27. Fine, don't get the vaccine.
I hope the people around you remain safe.
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Response to blogslug (Reply #27)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 01:45 PM
MisterNiceKitty (422 posts)
29. I hope the same for you too
And if this post is too much for you just ignore it.
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Response to MisterNiceKitty (Reply #29)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 01:49 PM
LanternWaste (37,748 posts)
30. What leads you to think your post is "too much" for anyone?
Criticism of your methods and narrative certainly doesn't imply as much, so what leads you assert as much?
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Response to MisterNiceKitty (Reply #29)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 09:55 PM
BradAllison (1,519 posts)
37. Have you gotten the vaccine? n/m
Response to MisterNiceKitty (Original post)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 03:27 PM
Celerity (28,893 posts)
32. and today's special is............FUD ala Kitty
Response to MisterNiceKitty (Original post)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 03:28 PM
Elessar Zappa (8,318 posts)
33. We see you.
Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #33)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 03:30 PM
MisterNiceKitty (422 posts)
34. I see you too
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Response to MisterNiceKitty (Original post)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 03:40 PM
edhopper (28,967 posts)
35. One possible death out of
3 million vaccinations.
Too much of a risk for you? Do you think there is less risk with COVID? Incase you were wondering, the death rate in the US for people with COVID is almost 2%. So is two out of hundred deaths better than 1 out of 3 million? Such a quandary. |
Response to MisterNiceKitty (Original post)
Mon Aug 30, 2021, 10:40 PM
dilby (2,273 posts)
39. When Hospitals begin denying healthcare to COVID19 patients because they are full of....
People suffering from the Pfizer vaccine I will start to worry about their effects. Till then, not so much.
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