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Pirate Smile

(27,617 posts)
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 10:46 AM Jan 2012

"The Pentagon: Barack is taking it over."

"when President Obama crossed the Potomac last Thursday, he was on a mission to reclaim enemy territory."


Obama’s power grab at the Pentagon
By Michael Hastings
January 10, 2012



Barack Obama’s decision last week to cut the defense budget by $487 billion over the next 10 years was met with cries of derision from his critics (“inexcusable,” said GOP front-runner Mitt Romney) and shrugs of acceptance from his supporters. The reduction’s two headlines: 1. One hundred thousand troops are being chopped from the Marine Corps and Army; 2. The entire U.S. foreign policy focus will begin to shift from the Near East to the Far East (anxieties about China having replaced—or at least settled alongside—our permanently ingrained fears of Middle Eastern terror). The cuts themselves, though, are less significant as fiscal policy than as a statement about President Obama’s relationship with the Pentagon: Barack is taking it over.

-snip-
The tension between the president and his generals reached its climax in June 2010 in the weeks after I published a Rolling Stone story exposing the contempt the military leadership had for their civilian counterparts. The president fired McChrystal and replaced him with General David Petraeus (tying Petraeus to the fate of the doomed mission, an association that Petraeus had wanted to avoid, according to McChrystal). Within the next year, Defense Secretary Robert Gates would retire as well (but not before Obama twice overruled his advice—on Libya and the Bin Laden raid) and was replaced by Democratic ally Leon Panetta. Petraeus came home from Kabul in June 2011, and was quickly defrocked and installed at the CIA (preventing the popular general’s potential and oft-rumored run for the presidency, another outcome the White House wanted to avoid). When Petraeus pushed to move troops to eastern Afghanistan, rather than bringing them home, Obama overruled him, prompting General John Allen (the man there now) to admit the president was no longer following the military’s advice. Either by accident or by design, the young president had neutered his formidable opposition. The celebrity generals were gone, a friendly Defense Secretary was in and a string of what were perceived as foreign policy successes had been accomplished.

There were other signs of the president’s new confidence. Tucked into Obama’s defense strategy—which he unveiled the same day as the cuts–was another not-so-subtle rebuke of the military’s much beloved counterinsurgency doctrine, which accounted for much of the $1.2 trillion poured into Iraq and Afghanistan. The new defense strategy called for “limited counterinsurgency”—a concept akin to being “slightly pregnant,” as Wired’s Spencer Ackerman observed. Keeping a reduced counterinsurgency initiative was a sop to the brass who had built their careers on the past decade of war, but not a convincing one. It was a stronger signal that the true lesson of the past decade was to not get involved in nation building debacles. “For the Army’s four stars to suggest Americans should treat the interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan as a rich source of lessons for future war is tantamount to insisting the 1915 Gallipoli Campaign or the 1920 Sunday shoot-up of Irish civilians by British Soldiers at Croke Park in Dublin were successes,” retired Colonel Douglas Macgregor told me in an email. “A smaller defense budget is not only inevitable; it’s a national economic necessity.” There’s even a possibility that President Obama might double the size of the cuts, taking out a total of $1 trillion. It seems he’s no longer intimidated by the crowd.

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Which, come to think of it, is perhaps the biggest threat to Obama’s newly restrained military. The overblown Iran rhetoric could easily hamstring a president from either party, narrowing the debate to solely military solutions. And a front-running Mitt Romney has already said he wants to increase the size of the military—the kind of insane, fiscally irresponsible promise that will fill the airwaves over the next 11 months should he get the nomination. All of that threatens what’s under way—reducing the 51st state to the size of Guam, or maybe the Virgin Islands. If we did that by 2020, we’d save a bunch of money. And we’d likely save a bunch of lives.

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/01/10/obamas-power-grab-at-the-pentagon/
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"The Pentagon: Barack is taking it over." (Original Post) Pirate Smile Jan 2012 OP
I seem to recall that the Pentagon answers to some guy called the Commander in Chief... rfranklin Jan 2012 #1
true plus Obama had to first get the brass from standing on his throat ensho Jan 2012 #2
But all those fucks that Bush had had in place, think about it... snooper2 Jan 2012 #3
Probably why Hillary wants out tularetom Jan 2012 #4
I doubt very much if SOS Clinton is intimidated by anyone....much less Pentagon brass. PragmaticLiberal Jan 2012 #6
agree ensho Jan 2012 #7
Well, I'm not so sure about that tularetom Jan 2012 #9
have you forgotten that the neo cons murdered americans back then ensho Jan 2012 #11
No I haven't forgotten any of that tularetom Jan 2012 #12
"There’s even a possibility that President Obama might double the size of the cuts" think Jan 2012 #5
I have to wonder how it is a power grab? hootinholler Jan 2012 #8
Another reason why Obama must win re-election cally Jan 2012 #10
+1,000,000 mopinko Jan 2012 #19
Kick Pirate Smile Jan 2012 #13
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2012 #14
kick Pirate Smile Jan 2012 #15
Deftly handled Canuckistanian Jan 2012 #16
So Obama really DID kill Osama. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #17
someone should tell them that he took over in january of 2009. pepperbear Jan 2012 #18
 

rfranklin

(13,200 posts)
1. I seem to recall that the Pentagon answers to some guy called the Commander in Chief...
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 10:49 AM
Jan 2012

and that would be?

President Barack Obama!

Thank you class!

 

ensho

(11,957 posts)
2. true plus Obama had to first get the brass from standing on his throat
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 10:54 AM
Jan 2012


not easy

but he is getting there
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
3. But all those fucks that Bush had had in place, think about it...
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 10:54 AM
Jan 2012

I can imagine they were trying to undermine him at every turn.

This is one of the reasons it makes me laugh when the day he took office people starting their instant whining. Pull All troops out now!

He had to do things his way for a reason. Now we all see the payoffs...

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
4. Probably why Hillary wants out
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 10:56 AM
Jan 2012

She's definitely intimidated by all the brass at the Pentagon and she wouldn't be comfortable in an environment where the military was actually under the control of the commander in chief.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
9. Well, I'm not so sure about that
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 11:25 AM
Jan 2012

She sure as hell was intimidated by somebody when she voted for the Iraq invasion when she knew goddamn well that Cheney and Bush were lying about WMD's.

And don't tell me that was a decision made with her constituents in mind. She represented one of the most Democratic states in the country.

The Clintons are both scared shitless of republicans and generals.

 

ensho

(11,957 posts)
11. have you forgotten that the neo cons murdered americans back then
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 11:32 AM
Jan 2012

who disagreed with them or caused them problems?

remember all the scientists that suddenly killed themselves, disappeared or had unexplained lethal accidents?

remember the small plane crash?

remember the pc site listing the murdered?

remember the pre placed bombs in the towers/bldgs.?

remember?

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
12. No I haven't forgotten any of that
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:15 PM
Jan 2012

And I also haven't forgotten the 21 Democratic Senators who voted against the Iraq war resolution, many of them from far redder states than NY.

Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)

I had pretty much given up on Bill Clinton by that time but I had higher hopes that Hillary actually had a spine. Sadly I was wrong.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
5. "There’s even a possibility that President Obama might double the size of the cuts"
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 10:58 AM
Jan 2012

as quoted in the article to be by retired Colonel Douglas Macgregor.

It's either a glimmer of hope or a slice of propaganda but I still like the sound of it after 10 years of the current wars and the constant beating of the drums of war.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
8. I have to wonder how it is a power grab?
Thu Jan 12, 2012, 11:22 AM
Jan 2012

Is he not the President? Is not the Prez the HMFIC of the pentagon?

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