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nvme

(860 posts)
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 01:58 PM Sep 2021

Damn stop being chickenshits!

We have had the The Rethuglicans Jam everything up our collective asses. Tax cuts for the wealthy. Gorsuch and Barret. Now abortion. Pack the F--king courts be done with it. Eliminate the Filibuster already. Its time for scorched earth. If we don't show them we are willing to stand for something worthwhile, then how will we ever get shit done?

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CrispyQ

(36,421 posts)
1. We don't have the votes to get rid of the filibuster.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 02:02 PM
Sep 2021

Manchin & Sinema aren't the only senators who want to keep it. There are several others, happy to let those two take the heat. Even Biden has expressed reluctance to get rid of it.

Kaleva

(36,248 posts)
2. Hunger strikes have proven to be effective.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 02:07 PM
Sep 2021

But one would have to be really serious about what they are struggling for before using that tactic.

"Gandhi used hunger strikes for many reasons to protest against the British in a non-violent way. In January 1932, Gandhi was in jail near Bombay. There he started a hunger strike to protest British's government decision on separating Indian's electoral system by caste. Meaning that the richer had more say than the poor. In September 1932 Gandhi himself started a "fast unto death" to protest against British supporting a new Indian constitution. It gave the countries "Untouchables", they were the lowest class and mostly done the unwanted jobs like dealing with the dead and cleaning bathrooms. There own separate political representation for 70 years. Gandhi believed that it would divides India's social class. He fast ended in 6 days because the British government accepted the principal terms of settlement between the higher and the lower caste. On January 12, 1948, Gandhi undertook his last fast in New Delhi, to persuade Hindus and Muslims in that city to work toward peace and he was successful."

https://mahatmagandhiworld.weebly.com/hunger-strikes.html

TheRealNorth

(9,470 posts)
4. I don't think tactics like hunger strikes have much effect in a world with a single Super Power
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 07:03 PM
Sep 2021

Non-violent tactics were more effective in the Cold War because there was diplomatic value in having moral authority. Without an external counter-balance, there is not anything really restraining the hegemonic power from doing what it will internally.

Plus, I think conservatives wouldn't give a wet fart about liberals starving themselves, other than to think it was a good start.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
3. don't know what state you live in
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 02:14 PM
Sep 2021

but if you are represented by Republicans, there is your problem. There are more than 300 million of us, a minority of which choose to elect Republicans, and they are not interested in changing. You can point fingers and yell at the 48 elected officials in the Senate and 220 in the House to your hearts content, but it won't change a damn thing. The math is your problem, at least one of them.

iemanja

(53,012 posts)
5. Send your message to Manchin and Sinema
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 07:08 PM
Sep 2021

They are the hold outs, not the rest of the Democratic congress.

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