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Advice to Attorney General Merrick Garland (Original Post) Mme. Defarge Sep 2021 OP
They are instruments of terror dalton99a Sep 2021 #1
That's excellent advice and here's some more PJMcK Sep 2021 #16
Yep! FM123 Sep 2021 #2
Tribe was Garland's professor. Grasswire2 Sep 2021 #28
Why not advise him privately instead of calling him out on Twitter? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #31
Maybe Tribe knows better than we do. Grasswire2 Sep 2021 #32
That's possible StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #34
That's what he's gonna do...go after them with the Ku Klux Klan Act LeftInTX Sep 2021 #3
Formidable! Mme. Defarge Sep 2021 #6
And yet, whenever Garland announces anything, some folks attack him for not DOING anything StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #4
Yup, I have no doubt he is. However, I do like Tribe. Joinfortmill Sep 2021 #10
I like Tribe, too StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #12
The defense that Garland is using is iffy, gab13by13 Sep 2021 #18
He's not using a "defense." StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #22
Problem is I can't recall any kacekwl Sep 2021 #19
Garland made an announcement today. StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #23
Some on DU think that unless we send the 101ST Airborne to invade Texas maxrandb Sep 2021 #26
Or maybe the people NEED to be heard. Grasswire2 Sep 2021 #29
There's a difference between "urging action" and accusing Biden's AG of being weak, feckless, coward StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #30
It's great advice bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #5
Thank you StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #13
There not suing the person getting an abortion. twin_ghost Sep 2021 #7
Which denies the women her civil rights. Jon King Sep 2021 #9
Or anyone who "aids or abets" her in getting the abortion. ShazzieB Sep 2021 #11
Exactly what I suggested earlier, annouce it would be civil rights violation. Jon King Sep 2021 #8
Sounds easy StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #15
And, of course, that won't happen. Goodheart Sep 2021 #14
It needs to be specified exactly what the "Rules of Engagement" are to Texans who are looking to Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #17
I agree he should try that. But if he does I think that the State of Texas would almost certainty totodeinhere Sep 2021 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #21
Why do you assume anyone's "spoon feeding" DOJ? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #24
Garland: Or, I could express my sincere disappointment in a letter. NullTuples Sep 2021 #25
Please share with us your wisdom: What do you think DOJ should do now that they're not doing? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #27
My humble suggestion is that you stop hammering rank and file Dems for expressing their opinions. Grasswire2 Sep 2021 #35
Absolutely. This is not a hard one, Garland. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #33

dalton99a

(81,441 posts)
1. They are instruments of terror
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 04:50 PM
Sep 2021

Republicans want people to terrorize anyone thinking about helping the woman

PJMcK

(22,027 posts)
16. That's excellent advice and here's some more
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 07:10 PM
Sep 2021

To AG Garland:

You have the powers to bring Trump and his enablers to Justice.

Use your powers quickly or you will lose your opportunity.

Use your powers quickly or we could lose our democracy.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
28. Tribe was Garland's professor.
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 01:21 PM
Sep 2021

No one is more qualified to provide advice.

And Tribe does so, publicly, to Garland.

Publicly.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
31. Why not advise him privately instead of calling him out on Twitter?
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 02:11 PM
Sep 2021

I'm sure Tribe knows how to reach him and surely Garland would take a call from former professor.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
32. Maybe Tribe knows better than we do.
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 02:20 PM
Sep 2021

Maybe Garland needs calling out, and Tribe knows it.

Maybe he did do that, and Garland ignored it but the consequences for the republic are just too much more important than any antiquated consideration of DoJ tradition.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
34. That's possible
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 02:29 PM
Sep 2021

It's also possible that Garland and his team of U.S. Attorneys, prosecutors and investigators know better than Tribe - who has spent his career as an academic who never prosecuted a case, conducted an investigation, or worked in the Justice Department - the details of the crimes and people they're investigating, what their legal authorities are, and how they should proceed with these investigations and prosecutions to ensure charges stick and criminals are convicted.

I respect Professor Tribe. But when it comes to determining how to conduct and investigation and prosecute the case, I'm going with the judgment of Attorney General Garland and his team.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
4. And yet, whenever Garland announces anything, some folks attack him for not DOING anything
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 06:16 PM
Sep 2021

"He's all talk ... Milquetoast ... He needs to do more ... I'll believe it when he starts locking people up," etc.

So, maybe Garland is ignoring the advice of outsiders lecturing him on social media about what be should say and do and is simply focusing on effectively doing the job he was appointed to do (while probably getting lots of great advice from people he's actually talking to and who aren't lobbing instructions to him on Twitter).

gab13by13

(21,299 posts)
18. The defense that Garland is using is iffy,
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 07:20 PM
Sep 2021

it was used for attacks on abortion centers, and attacks on abortion providers, the Texas law doesn't do that. What Tribe is saying that Garland should do isn't what Garland is doing. It's better than doing nothing.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
22. He's not using a "defense."
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 07:34 PM
Sep 2021

And, FYI, Tribe's tweet is two days old - he offered this advice before Garland's announcement today.

Tribe suggests that Garland announce that DOJ will take a certain action. Today, Garland announces DOJ is going to take an action different than the one Tribe suggested - and mass it clear that they will also take other actions.

Garland's not "doing nothing" - he's just not doing what some people want him to do, which isn't surprising since many of those people can't even articulate what they actually want him to do because they don't know.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
23. Garland made an announcement today.
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 07:37 PM
Sep 2021

If you're going to criticize Garland for "ignoring things," you should at least try to stay current with the news related to the "things" you're discussing

maxrandb

(15,318 posts)
26. Some on DU think that unless we send the 101ST Airborne to invade Texas
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 07:57 PM
Sep 2021

Biden is not doing enough.

I am not sure they are wrong

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
29. Or maybe the people NEED to be heard.
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 01:32 PM
Sep 2021

Maybe the strategy of the Biden administration's DoJ was to wait for irrepressible public demand to drive adjudication of Trump crimes. It is a brilliant strategy in this fraught and divided moment.

Maybe doing so -- (waiting for public demand to provide cover for actions of the DoJ that will infuriate MAGATS) is a strategy that we Biden supporters ought not tamper with. Let the demand for action rage! Criticizing rank and file Dems who urge action just might be counter productive.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
30. There's a difference between "urging action" and accusing Biden's AG of being weak, feckless, coward
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 02:09 PM
Sep 2021

and worse, because people falsely assume that not seeing indictments yet means that nothing is being done.

bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
5. It's great advice
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 06:24 PM
Sep 2021

However, this is a high stakes game of chess. Every move must be thought out, every sequence is important, and it's played, whether we like it or not, in a divided political landscape, so the other side could create barriers, problems, or even win if a move is out of sequence or improper. It's a lawyers' game, let things develop.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
9. Which denies the women her civil rights.
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 06:34 PM
Sep 2021

Same thing, they sue the provider which requires a release of medical records to prove their case. And it denies the women her legal right to an abortion up until fetal viability.

ShazzieB

(16,357 posts)
11. Or anyone who "aids or abets" her in getting the abortion.
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 06:52 PM
Sep 2021

Whatever the hell that even means!

The way that pathetic excuse for a law is written, multiple numbers of people could be sued for each individual abortion, starting with the entire abortion clinic staff and including anyone who gave the woman money, advice, money, a ride to the clinic. Maybe even someone who babysat for her kids while she wen to the clinic. It would be outrageous if only the person performing abortion was affected. As it is, this this thing is so far beyond outrageous that it can't even SEE outrageous from where it is.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
8. Exactly what I suggested earlier, annouce it would be civil rights violation.
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 06:32 PM
Sep 2021

This is easy. Abortion is legal until viability. The Texas law is unlawful.

Any 'private citizen' who sues a provider is denying a woman her civil rights. That private citizen should be prosecuted by DOJ. And the women should sue the 'private citizen' for mental anguish.

This law needs to be exposed as a sham.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
15. Sounds easy
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 07:07 PM
Sep 2021

but the fact that the law creates a private right of action makes it very difficult for the federal government to step in. The federal government has very limited ability to sue or prosecute individuals for interfering with other individual's exercise of their civil rights. There needs to be state action involved, a clearly symbiotic relationship between the actor and the state, or violation of specific civil rights statutes.

Not that it can't be done, but the fact that such acts violating a woman's rights would be taken pursuant to a law complicates things.

This may seem simple on its face, but it is much more legally complex than it appears.

Evolve Dammit

(16,723 posts)
17. It needs to be specified exactly what the "Rules of Engagement" are to Texans who are looking to
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 07:15 PM
Sep 2021

cash in on bounty huntin' and lawyerin'. DOJ needs to really step up here.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
20. I agree he should try that. But if he does I think that the State of Texas would almost certainty
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 07:22 PM
Sep 2021

sue and Garland's policy might be on shaky ground at this Supreme Court. But yes, try it. Try everything and anything we can think of to stop this ridiculous law.

Response to Mme. Defarge (Original post)

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
24. Why do you assume anyone's "spoon feeding" DOJ?
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 07:39 PM
Sep 2021

People tweeting at DOJ and DOJ not reporting out their every move to you on a regular basis does not mean the tweeters are spoon feeding them.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
27. Please share with us your wisdom: What do you think DOJ should do now that they're not doing?
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 08:21 PM
Sep 2021

Please be specific.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
35. My humble suggestion is that you stop hammering rank and file Dems for expressing their opinions.
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 02:49 PM
Sep 2021

Every Democrat has a legitimate opinion and a legitimate voice. I understand that you see your own voice here as protection for elected and appointed Dems. And that means intolerance for the voices of some others, evidently.

But, as I have suggested previously, you can't herd Democrats with sarcasm and bitter attacks. They (we) must be led.

Garland's own contemporaries in the law and the administration of justice are urging a different path from what we have seen to date. And yet you continually berate rank and file Dems who (informed by those contemporaries of Garland) raise their voices to echo these experts in law and administration of justice.

Just let the people speak. Let each Dem express his/her opinion.

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