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Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:41 PM

Is DOJ hamstrung? I'm not sure under Garland's leadership that accountability and prosecution

are priorities. I'm contrasting to the arrests ironically under the previous administration (Manafort, Stone, etc.) for crimes committed. And can we ever have an un-redacted Mueller report?? Perhaps DOJ is as divided as America.

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Reply Is DOJ hamstrung? I'm not sure under Garland's leadership that accountability and prosecution (Original post)
Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 OP
budkin Sep 2021 #1
jimfields33 Sep 2021 #2
luv2fly Sep 2021 #3
PortTack Sep 2021 #6
Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #15
Retrograde Sep 2021 #20
ecstatic Sep 2021 #26
luv2fly Sep 2021 #29
JohnSJ Sep 2021 #5
smirkymonkey Sep 2021 #14
JohnSJ Sep 2021 #25
lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #4
Mad_Machine76 Sep 2021 #7
Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #10
Corgigal Sep 2021 #8
Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #13
former9thward Sep 2021 #28
DetroitLegalBeagle Sep 2021 #32
Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #35
stillcool Sep 2021 #9
fescuerescue Sep 2021 #11
BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #12
smirkymonkey Sep 2021 #16
Bettie Sep 2021 #17
BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #19
Retrograde Sep 2021 #22
BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #23
Bettie Sep 2021 #27
BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #30
Bettie Sep 2021 #31
BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #34
Mary in S. Carolina Sep 2021 #18
BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #21
Poiuyt Sep 2021 #24
Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #36
NBachers Sep 2021 #33
Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #37
LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #38
Hekate Sep 2021 #39
Hekate Sep 2021 #40
Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #41
Hekate Sep 2021 #44
Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #45
Wounded Bear Sep 2021 #42
Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #43
StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #46

Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:42 PM

1. Seriously. It seems like they are completely inert

We only get statements saying how they are going to do this and that but never do anything.

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Response to budkin (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:49 PM

2. It's been six months basically.

I know he was not appointed until a few months after president Biden was inaugurated. It really hasnít been that long. If a year from now, nothing, then itís time for concern.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:52 PM

3. Even just an update with what they're doing...

... and how things are going would give hope to the masses that put these people in power.

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Response to luv2fly (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:03 PM

6. They are not required to give us updates. They are there doing their job! And it takes time

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Response to PortTack (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:27 PM

15. Maybe DOJ needs a point person then, because we're running out of justice and perhaps democracy.

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Response to PortTack (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:34 PM

20. They need to market what they're doing

or as another poster said, a pointperson to regularly tell the public what's been accomplished. The GOP and their base understand it's all about getting the message out, and that's what they're good at.

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Response to PortTack (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:53 PM

26. Are we really going to do the blind faith thing again?

That's what happened with Mueller. I'm just going to assume nothing will be done until they show me different.

Also, even though they're not required to give updates, they should respect us enough to do so. They don't have to give their strategy away, just let us know that they're at least working towards prosecuting the planners of the attack.

Keeping the public informed has been standard practice for every other attack! What other attack can you think of where the authorities disappeared into a backroom and never updated the public again? And I'm not referring to the minions who carried out the attack--I want to be updated on the big fish. They need to be held accountable but instead they're still in Congress and/or threatening to run for president again in 2024.

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Response to PortTack (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:56 PM

29. You're right, nobody has to tell us anything ever

What a fucked up democracy that would be. Accountability matters.

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Response to budkin (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:00 PM

5. They have been writing serious letters

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:27 PM

14. I hope they are sternly worded.

 

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:45 PM

25. Exactly, that will do it

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:54 PM

4. It's not looking good.

Full-term babies have been conceived and delivered since the coup attempt.

None of the leaders are in jail yet. We know who they are.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:04 PM

7. From the outside in

It's hard to tell TBH. I have a hard time believing that they are sitting on their hands but I imagine they have a lot of messes to clean up and sort out and 1/6 is a huge mess in and of itself. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt for awhile. I don't subscribe to the idea that they are incompetent, negligent, etc.

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Response to Mad_Machine76 (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:19 PM

10. I agree. They are competent career people. But there has been limited action.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:07 PM

8. I read in the Washington Post magazine

that Garland doesnít want to deal with things in the past. When I mentioned this to my husband he said, arenít most crimes in the past?

Thought, damn. Got a glass of wine.

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Response to Corgigal (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:25 PM

13. Yeah and we were going to close Guantanamo too. Nobody is above the law seems a joke.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:55 PM

28. Everyone says they are going to close Guantanamo.

Then when they get in power someone whispers to them "Yes, it would be nice to close it but we need someplace we can take non citizens where U.S. Constitutional rights do not apply" And it never gets closed.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #28)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 05:45 PM

32. This 100%

And if by some miracle it actually is shut down, I guarantee it's because we've got a replacement up and running elsewhere.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #28)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 08:03 PM

35. We need to name names. Who the hell is calling these shots? It ain't We the people.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:08 PM

9. Lawrence Tribe is good with Garland

that was nice of him to say to Rachel. The way of things in this country does not bode well for accountability. It's never been done before.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:20 PM

11. Might be hamstrung by rules that Trump put into place

That can't be removed.

But there is no way to know.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:25 PM

12. I have zero confidence in Garland.

So far he sounds like TrumpÖ ďin two weeks I will revealÖĒ Some day I hope I can say Iím wrong - but so far heís underwhelming. He may be a good judge but as ďAmericaís ProsecutorĒ heís toothless.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:28 PM

16. +1000

 

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:30 PM

17. People keep saying he puts "The Institution" first

well, the institution means nothing if it stands for nothing but "normalcy", whatever that even is.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:34 PM

19. Amen.

If there was ever a time for the DOJ to act boldly and decisively - itís now!

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:38 PM

22. Back in 2016 McConnel proposed Garland

to Obama as "a judge he could work with", which to me is telling. He's a moderate, which these days is about what the right was 50 years ago. I'd like to see more motion on the Jan. 6 rioters for a start - why does it seem like the courts are going so slowly? They committed federal crimes, surely a federal law enforcement agency has an interest in seeing these cases prosecuted.

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Response to Retrograde (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:43 PM

23. I'm old enough to remember when the DOJ acted first

And held press conferences second. Today it seems like they are so busy holding press conferences they never get around to using the law to protect the people. Civil rights? Voting rights? Womenís rights? Protecting the constitution from those that would shit on it? There is much to be done but the DOJ under Garland doesnít seem too interested in doing any of it.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #23)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:53 PM

27. Well, he doesn't want to be too hard on people

or it will "seem political".

Honestly, I don't expect to see any action from them beyond a few 'slap on the wrist' type sentences for lower level insurrectionists and then, they'll just let the rest of it go.

I wish I believed that there was even a slight possibility of justice or even accountability, but I don't.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #27)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 05:02 PM

30. It's a damn good thing the DOJ didn't feel that way

When they were trying to enforce civil rights laws against George Wallace.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #30)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 05:10 PM

31. Yeah, it is

it's a really good thing.

Now imagine this DOJ in that situation.

Who knows? Maybe there are things happening...I wish I believed that was the case. I really do.

I really hope I'm wrong.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #31)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 06:54 PM

34. Me too Bettie, me too. nt.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:33 PM

18. How about Separation of Church and State

 

Why is Garland not going after the Churches??

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Response to Mary in S. Carolina (Reply #18)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:35 PM

21. Easy...

Garland isnít going after anyone for anything.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:44 PM

24. I think Biden appointed Garland specifically because he wouldn't do anything that might look

"political." That's fine, except when there have been crimes committed that impact our democracy.

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Response to Poiuyt (Reply #24)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 08:12 PM

36. If that's true, and it well might be, it is potentially democracy-breaking. If DOJ is reduced to

window dressing, we are cooked.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 06:23 PM

33. They're busy printing up parking and jaywalking tickets for the traitors to plead to.

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Response to NBachers (Reply #33)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 08:14 PM

37. So far it sure feels that way. Most of the country has moved on, and the hearings aren't even news.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Thu Sep 9, 2021, 01:07 AM

38. Justice Department planning to sue Texas over abortion law




The Department of Justice is planning to sue Texas as soon as this week, POLITICO has confirmed, a move that comes just days after Attorney General Merrick Garland said his department is exploring options to challenge the stateís strict abortion law.

While the lawsuit could come as soon as Thursday, itís possible the timeline will be pushed back, according to The Wall Street Journal, which first reported the Justice Departmentís preparations. The Biden administration has faced building pressure to act after the Supreme Court allowed the law to take effect in a 5-4 decision.

The Justice Departmentís lawsuit is expected to argue that the Texas law illegally interferes with federal interests.

The new Texas law, SB 8, bans abortions once medical professionals can detect cardiac activity, usually around six weeks, before some women even know they are pregnant. The law places enforcement responsibilities on private parties, by incentivizing individuals who can recover $10,000 or more if they win a case against a party they accuse of performing or aiding in an abortion. By putting enforcement powers in the hands of private citizens, instead of state or local government officials, it leaves opponents of the bill without an obvious party to sue.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Thu Sep 9, 2021, 02:27 AM

40. Oh woe is me, oh gloom and doom, the world is ending. Well done you: there's like twodozen people...

Ö wallowing in this despair. That takes talent!

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Response to Hekate (Reply #40)

Thu Sep 9, 2021, 10:03 AM

41. No need to be insulting.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #41)

Thu Sep 9, 2021, 12:55 PM

44. Never

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Response to Hekate (Reply #44)

Thu Sep 9, 2021, 03:34 PM

45. pretty darn close; read the Rules. I don't think Buddha or DU would like that

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Original post)

Thu Sep 9, 2021, 10:10 AM

42. When operating properly, DoJ doesn't "announce" who or what it is investigating...

so I'm not that worried.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #42)

Thu Sep 9, 2021, 10:14 AM

43. Hope you're right

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #42)

Thu Sep 9, 2021, 04:55 PM

46. Say it again

 

Please.

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