There's One Other Thing Biden Could Do To Get People Vaccinated.....

[global1]

Have airline travelers be required to be vaccinated if they want to fly.

Let the TSA enforce that. We can't have guns, knifes, box cutters or any other device that can be a weapon. We can only have small amounts of liquid. Can't have bottled water. I'm sure that they have the power of the federal government to require all airline passengers be vaccinated.

Right now people are flying all around the country and spreading the 'delta variant'. Think of Floridians flying all over the country and spreading this virus.

I'm thinking that Biden has the power to order that.

[SYFROYH]

1. I think we just need to pay people $2500 to get vaxxed

They would line up.

[zuul]

12. Agreed.

[Igel]

17. What heavy load?

I'm fully vaccinated.

My "heavy" load is a very much reduced risk of infection and a vastly reduced risk of hospitalization if I do become infected.

I teach 170 kids a day, in person, and prowl the halls between classes with another 3500 kids and 250 staff. I have kids out quarantining with COVID.

Oddly, I'm not stressed out over my health. There's a risk I could be infected. There's a risk I'll trip going down the stairs in the morning. I'm in my 60s, my father had his first heart attack in his 50s, so there's a chance of heart attack. I could get hit by a loon in traffic on the way to school at 6 am tomorrow. Or, since it's 6 am, I could be the loon.

I try to minimize my risk, but don't freak over it. Last week walking to the car after school through a big old fairly empty open parking lot with the kid there was the first bolt of lightning from a thunder storm. Sound got to us far less than a second after we saw the flash.

If one thing doesn't kill you, another will. At least it's not Australia.

[SYFROYH]

20. I'm fine with that too, but if we want to move the needle on Vax money will help.

[Lettuce Be]

8. Bribes work on a few but not the crazed hold-outs

and what about the rest of us that did the right thing? Watching someone get paid that much to do something I did for free would not give me the feels.

[SYFROYH]

21. Bribes work on a lot of people.

With stimulus checks we gave away thousands to people just to buy stuff or pay bills.

Vax seem like a good investment to me.

[ck4829]

10. Can you get vaccinated again?

[Enter stage left]

15. Uh, no!

Why should we pay the stupid idiots that kind of money when the thinking majority had done it without compensation?

Let's do this instead:

You want to fly xyz airlines, it costs $x if you are fully vaccinated, $4x if you aren't.

You want to take a train across the state line, it costs $x dollars if you are fully vaccinated, $4x if you aren't.

My point is; DON'T GIVE THEM AN INCENTIVE TO GET VACCINATED, MAKE THEM PAY A HUGE PENALTY

[Treefrog]

2. I agree, and train passengers too.

Anything regulated by the feds.

I don’t know why they don’t do it.

[Ocelot II]

4. All the current rules prohibiting weapons, etc.

on airplanes are FAA regulations, which had to go through a rulemaking process according to the Administrative Procedure Act. A requirement for vaccination would have to go through the FAA.

[Treefrog]

5. Well, they should get on it.

Or the airlines could make it so. I know, never happen.

[Ocelot II]

9. The public can petition federal agencies for the enactment of a rule.

Have at it. https://www.foreffectivegov.org/node/4061

[Treefrog]

28. Thanks, but I did that back last winter!

I didn't use that website though, so thanks again!

[RainCaster]

6. Antimask putzes must be put on the no fly list

So tired of their bullshit. Let them get stuck and have to take a train home.

[zuul]

11. Yes! And not for a few months.

Minimum 5 years on the no-fly list.

[fescuerescue]

7. TSA can't even keep guns off planes

Unless the gun is sitting next to a bottle of water.

It will take 2 years before those morons can figure out how to enforce that.

[StarfishSaver]

14. They've done a pretty good job keeping guns off of planes

[fescuerescue]

23. They do detect alot of guns.

But they miss more than they catch.



https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-tests-latest-undercover-operation-us-airports/story?id=51022188


https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2017/11/09/tsa-misses-70-of-fake-weapons-but-thats-an-improvement/?sh=52a991532a38

https://onemileatatime.com/tsa-fails-tests-95-percent/

[Treefrog]

30. They miss a LOT.

A few years ago I even arrived at my destination to find I had a box cutter in my purse. Not something I usually carry, so I hadn't double checked my bag as I usually do.

I did have to throw out my bottle of water that I bought like an idiot before security. Still sealed and everything.

[BlueIdaho]

13. Airlines are already moving in that direction.

Some foreign airlines like Quantis are already there. I think our American Airlines are about to follow. All the anti-vaxxer/anti-maskers are not making friends as they fly the not so friendly skies.

[PortTack]

16. Delta has moved to raise insurance costs for those unvaccinated..

[madville]

19. They can only do that because they self administer their employee health plan

and have over a certain number of employees in said plan. They are exempt from the ACA requirements as far as premium pricing. For the vast majority of Americans that are under ACA plans, the only things that are allowed to affect premium prices among the group are age, geographic location and tobacco use.

[BannonsLiver]

22. Better than nothing.

[GregariousGroundhog]

24. 67% of U.S. workers are covered by self-insured employee health plans

When an employer self-insures their employee health plans, they are regulated by ERISA (the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974). Note that employers are allowed to contract out plan administration to the likes of United Healthcare, Anthem, or Humana as long as the ultimate responsibility for funding the claims is the employer itself.

Employee health plans are only covered by the ACA when the financial liability falls on the insurance company. As a rule of thumb, smaller employers generally purchase insurance whereas larger employers generally prefer to self-insure and contract out the day to day administration.

The 67% figure is from Statista.

[madville]

27. There's an additional carve out in there

That applies to employers with more than (I think) 12,000 employees, which brings the percentage that are exempt from that part of the ACA way down.

[LeftInTX]

25. Employees, not passengers

[lagomorph777]

26. Yup - COVID is a bioweapon and you shouldn't be allowed to travel without proving

you won't carry it on the plane.

[Whiskeytide]

29. A nice tax credit/refund for getting vaxxed would work better. n/t

[NotASurfer]

31. How about something similar for voting in person?

And if you refuse, there's a mail-in ballot so nobody is stopping your vote from being cast and counted