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Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:52 AM

Pelosi told Milley Trump should have been 'arrested on the spot' for inciting Jan. 6 insurrection.



Pelosi told top general Trump should have been ‘arrested on the spot’ for inciting Capitol insurrection, new book says

by Dan Mangan
CNBC, September 14, 2021

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told the top U.S. Army general that then-President Donald Trump was a “dictator” who “should have been arrested on the spot” after what she called his coup attempt to remain in the White House by inciting the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection, a new book reveals.

Pelosi also said during a phone call in January with Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Mike Milley that “the Republicans have blood on their hands” for enabling Trump’s delusions about his ability to retain the presidency, the book says.

“But it is a sad state of affairs for our country that we’ve been taken over by a dictator who used force against another branch of government,” Pelosi, a California Democrat, told Milley during the call several days after the riot, according to “Peril,” a new book by Washington Post journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/14/trump-should-have-been-arrested-for-capitol-riot-pelosi-told-milley.html

FTR: I agree with Madame Speaker.

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Reply Pelosi told Milley Trump should have been 'arrested on the spot' for inciting Jan. 6 insurrection. (Original post)
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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:56 AM

1. Pelosi and Milley knew what they're dealing with

I'm watching msnbc and cnn and it's all negative about Biden's Afghanistan so-called disaster.

Trump gets a pass no matter what.

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:02 AM

8. Absolutely. A photo from Oct. 16, 2019...



Milley — and the people who support the Constitution— knew Trump was a traitor for screwing with Ukraine policy. It’s on their faces.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:08 AM

13. In the picture, Milley is seated right next to Trump.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:18 AM

26. And He Looks Like He'd Rather Be Anywhere Else At That Moment

Maybe having a colonoscopy, a root canal and a prostate exam all at the same time, with no anasthesia.

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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #26)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:58 AM

43. Oh yes

That photo is so revealing in so many ways. Every time I see it, I notice something else.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:44 PM

93. Who are the 2 men on Milley's right?

They're the only ones (as far as I can tell anyway) who look almost as miserable as Milley.

The more I study this photo, the more interesting things I notice.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:13 AM

19. Outside of Mnuchin nobody on Trump's can look the Speaker in the face. Their shame can't ....

Last edited Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:35 PM - Edit history (4)

.. be hidden. Nancy asked Trump something like, "How come all roads lead to Putin with you?"

McCarthy looks in pain and the person to TFG's left looksclike he is in shock.

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Response to Botany (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:26 AM

33. He sent his army to kill her to claim her seat of Power as Speaker of the House.

Oh ya, & F You & your self serving bullshit, Nina & Susan

America was warned in 2016.

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Response to Budi (Reply #33)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:48 PM

94. Who are Nina and Susan?

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Response to ShazzieB (Reply #94)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:00 PM

105. Turner & Sarandon.

Certain people here like to blame them for everything, deserved or not.

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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #105)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:03 PM

108. How can one hear their words & not hold them accountable for their part.

They used their celebrity & flat out lied.

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Response to Budi (Reply #108)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:06 PM

110. I said "deserved and not"

Some criticism is deserved, some is not. They're certainly not alone in sharing blame, but apparently just convenient scapegoats to be trotted out for the rest of eternity

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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #110)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:18 PM

115. Nope. They deserve what they get blamed for.

And it was & still is plenty.

I have never heard either support our Dem Leaders, not President Biden nor VP Harris.

Their words hold power & they know it.
To run a 5 yr verbal assault on the Dem Party & its leaders & expect not to be called to account is asking too much, when the damage from their words helped bring us where we are today.

I will lay that blame on them when I see fit.

Done here.


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Response to Budi (Reply #115)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:07 PM

116. Well, they don't live in my head

So I'll only blame them for what they deserve, when they deserve it.

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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #116)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:11 PM

117. As do I.

This American hellhole we're living in didn't happen by itself.

They own their words

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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #116)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:20 AM

125. That explains why I drew a blank! 😂

They don't live in my head, either!

The above is a reply to FoxNewsSucks. It keeps showing up in the wrong place. This will be my last try!

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Response to Budi (Reply #115)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:53 PM

118. Bringing up an old battle from nearly six years ago

Just takes a chance of splitting us

While it seems to make you fee better, it hurts the party

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Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:01 AM

119. Thanks.

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Response to Botany (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:32 PM

58. "With him, all roads lead to Putin."

Pelosi on Trump: ‘With him, all roads lead to Putin’

Members of Congress seek answers on reports about Russian bounties on U.S. soldiers


By RISHIKA DUGYALA
06/28/2020 10:50 AM EDT
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday blasted the president for being beholden to the Russian government, following a startling New York Times report that Russia secretly offered bounties to Taliban fighters to kill U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

“Just as I have said to the president: With him, all roads lead to Putin,” Pelosi said, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin. “I don't know what the Russians have on the president, politically, personally, or financially.”

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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/28/pelosi-putin-trump-russia-afghanistan-342926



Mr. and Mrs. Mnuchin.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #58)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 03:41 PM

85. Is It Just Me, Or Does Mrs. Mnuchin Look Just A Little Like Cruella DeVil?

I mean really, she just needs a Dalmatian stole or something.

Yeesh,

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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #85)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 03:54 PM

89. They really are something.

Steven Mnuchin’s Mysterious Link to Creepy Epstein Model Scout

The Treasury secretary’s name shows up on official records for a company formed in the 1980s by Jeffrey Epstein’s close friend, the model scout Jean-Luc Brunel.

Emily Shugerman
Daily Beast, Gender Reporter, Updated 09.16.19 7:57AM ET, Published 09.15.19

In the late 1980s—before he was a member of Donald Trump’s Cabinet, or even a high-rolling hedge-fund manager—Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin served in an official capacity for a business run by one of Jeffrey Epstein’s most infamous associates.

In official records, Mnuchin is listed as the official state point of contact for Next Management Corporation, a company formed in 1988 by modeling-industry insiders Jean-Luc Brunel and Arnaud Brunel. At the time, Jean-Luc Brunel had just been the subject of a 60 Minutes documentary accusing him of drugging and raping at least three models. Later, he would be accused by two women of supplying girls to Epstein to be sexually abused. (Brunel has denied the allegations.)

Records accessed by The Daily Beast list Mnuchin as the New York Department of State process for Next Management Corporation. According to department officials, the DOS process is the person who files a company’s registration papers and receives lawsuits and other official documents on their behalf—usually a lawyer or some other legal representative.

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Mnuchin’s office did confirm that he was longtime friends with Faith Kates, the owner of the Next modeling agency. The Brunel brothers co-founded the Next agency with Kates in 1989, and their company, Next Management Corp., owned a 25 percent stake in the agency for several years. The address listed under Mnuchin’s name in the state department records is the first address for Kates’ company, Next Management Company.

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/steven-mnuchins-mysterious-link-to-creepy-epstein-model-scout-jean-luc-brunel?ref=scroll




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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #85)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:50 PM

102. Yep. Ages ago (months? years? decades?) I made

a meme illustrating the resemblance. Not sure where that got to, but yeah, they could be sisters.

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Response to Botany (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:02 PM

107. I'm not surprised.

Mnuchkin epitomizes the words "smarmy" and "self-entitled prick".

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:49 AM

41. That pic's on my fridge. n/t

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 07:15 PM

101. my second favorite photo of T***p getting scolded

Right after this one. Body language speaks volumes. He's SO intimidated by strong women who push back at him.
Then ALWAYS played the victim that he was being bullied by "nasty" women.

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Response to Dukkha (Reply #101)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 01:44 AM

126. I never noticed the other faces there.

Bolton. Hahahaha.

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:00 PM

45. The MIC is furious with Biden. They will never

let up on him over this. Corporate media are their mouthpieces.

They will only stop if enough viewers are turned off and tune out. We really need media alternatives that present support for liberal views. Even neutral media would be welcome.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #45)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:29 PM

73. NPR used to be a neutral voice, but when Bush cut their budget they turned to corporate money.

And it shows. They’re still generally better than mainstream media, but just today I heard an NOR host describe the January 6 crowd as protesters who rioted, as if they were intent only on a peaceful protest that got a bit out of control. Peaceful protesters don’t come equipped with zip ties, bear spray, bulletproof vests, a noose to hang the Vice President, and other paraphernalia to use as weapons!

We need to get the corporate money and influence out of NPR by providing government funding so they can go back to being a neutral news source. Most of the other broadcast media is just leading us down the road to totalitarianism.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #73)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:53 PM

76. You are so right

Newt Gingrich and his "Contract on America" was the turning point. He threatened NPR to pull the Gov't money if they didn't come around immediately. Every thing after that was the "He Said / She Said" with no commentary what-so-ever.............

It was like it took place overnight. I quit watching/listening to NPR at that point......
Even more revealing was the Pseudo "Sponsoring" which was actually advertising being allowed......

The biggest "sponsor" was Arthur Daniels Midland? A huge world wide agri business corporation which was/is? one of the most corrupt U.S. Corporations ever IMO......

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #73)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 02:07 PM

78. Yes, NPR has taken a right turn in its coverage.

I am listening to them less because I can't stomach some of their coverage. They have gone overboard in depicting Biden as incompetent and bungling over Afghanistan. I have not heard any in depth coverage from NPR on the background of Biden's decision or how TFG created the problem of getting people out by refusing to process applications. I have not heard NPR give attention to TFG's deal with the Taliban to let them take over the country. They have not covered the corruption of warlords who took US money as bribes and then dealt on the side with Taliban leaders and had no commitment to the Afghan government.

They consistently portray the airlift as a failed and chaotic operation. They hype up "expert" opinions that Biden has put national security in jeopardy by pulling out of Afghanistan and emphasize fear that Al Qaida will launch more terrorist attacks on the US.

I have not heard them excuse the 1/6 terrorists as protesters. They have usually been emphatic about TFG's lies about election fraud. I have usually heard the attackers refered to as insurrectionists on NPR. But it does not surprise me to hear that they would soft pedal it now. Generally, though, NPR supports the Republican establishment wing of the party (Bush, Cheney) over the Trumpist wing.

I will never donate to NPR again. There is a small, independent, liberal radio station in my region, within my listening range. They occasionally carry liberal leaning NPR programs. They also carry Amy Goodwin and a lot of independent news and commentators. They get my donations now.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #45)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:04 PM

109. A lot of the "contributors"

are connected to defense contractors. They go on TV pushing war, and never disclose that they're actually paid more by the war profiteers than they are by the network.

It's disgusting.

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:54 PM

65. They Want Foxnews Viewers

And the only way they can weaken the foxnews audience share is by hammering on joe biden. Trump lovers eat it up. to find a non conservative, non democratic, non sycophantic news source other then foxnews or OANN or NEWSMAX speaking to their hatred is refreshing to them.

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 02:54 PM

82. They're STILL going at it?

Did something just happen that I'm not aware of, or is it just a continuation?

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:00 PM

106. Absolutely this!

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:57 AM

2. I'm In Love All Over Again, Sir




Huzzah for Madame Speaker!




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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:07 AM

10. Me, too, Sir.

Huzzah for Madame Speaker! Huzzah!



She stands for the Constitution.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:57 AM

3. How exactly is Donald tRump so fucking special that rules and laws don't apply to him?

Because I'd like to know....

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:02 AM

7. Because there are enough people still in the judicial system covering his ass

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:05 AM

9. Garland and Wray are scaring me.

This situation does not look encouraging.

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Response to Chin music (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 03:49 PM

87. Agreed. I am continuously bewildered by this. Who are these naysayers anyway? What is their

agenda?

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:10 AM

17. I wasn't referring to Garland, but others that trump appointed

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #17)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:30 AM

35. Wray is a Trump appointee.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #35)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:33 AM

38. Wray has overseen some very questionable things, and replacing him neds to be seriously

considered I think


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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:08 PM

112. And all over the government

who have dirt that was uncovered by Putin's hacker minions.

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:17 AM

24. Some say the DoJ needs to make an airtight case.

I say arrest him on the spot. Squeeze Donny and he’ll not only confess, he’ll flip on his boss.



Photo courtesy of TASS

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:31 AM

36. +1000

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:29 AM

34. I could never figure it out either

wtf?

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:05 PM

48. Big money, MSM is protecting him included foreign interests like russia & Saudi Arabia. nt

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Response to Blue Owl (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 05:04 PM

95. Because his daddy told him so.

That's where his narcissism originally stemmed from. When Fred saw that his oldest son wasn't going to follow in his footsteps, he began grooming his next oldest son to do so. From that time on, little Donnie was the Golden Child who could do no wrong in his father's eyes. He could and did get away with anything and everything, and his 2 sisters and younger brother went along with it, because to do otherwise would have meant defying Fred Almighty.

I'm very clear on that part of the story, thanks to Mary Trump’s book. How he managed to continue getting away with so much after Fred was gone, all the way up to becoming president and using the powers of the office in all sorts of nefarious ways -- well, that part escapes me!

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:59 AM

4. The Speaker is absolutely correct

I felt and still feel the pain and sting from watching that insurrection. 1000x worse than 9/11 the enemy has turned about 25% of the country into basically virus kamikaze pilots and treason patriots.

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Response to WA-03 Democrat (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:15 AM

23. This: 1000x worse than 9/11

They paraded a Confederate flag through The People's Capitol Building. Never forget.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #23)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:34 AM

39. Totally agree

Our government is an idea and a social pact. Never did the Confederacy reach the House Of Democracy until January 6, 2021. Our Civil War is not over. I’d argue it’ started again with the “Russia, if you are listening” code clue in 2016 but earlier dates work too

They are small and we are strong.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #23)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:12 PM

113. And that's why they want us to

only worry about terrorists on the other side of the planet.

Because the real threat to us is the terrorism they are guilty of right here.

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Response to WA-03 Democrat (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:50 AM

42. Barbarians at the Gates of Democracy

A mob of domestic terrorists were directed by the President of the United States to Congress in order to stop the counting of the vote by the People. In effect, the executive branch attacked the legislative branch. Donald J Trump is a traitor.



Trump Told Crowd ‘You Will Never Take Back Our Country With Weakness’

As Congress prepared to certify the victory of his successor, President Trump railed against the election and helped set in motion hours of violence.


Maggie Haberman
The New York Times, Jan. 6, 2021

Excerpt...

“We want to be so respectful of everybody,” Mr. Trump said, before calling his political opponents bad people. “And we are going to have to fight much harder. And Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country. Because you’re sworn to uphold our Constitution.”

Calling the outcome of the election “this egregious assault on our democracy,” he said his supporters should “walk down to the Capitol. And we are going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we are probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. Because you will never take back our country with weakness.”

Mr. Trump did not in fact travel with the supporters he urged to go fight for him; he returned to the White House, and berated aides about how the scene had appeared, before taking to Twitter to attack Mr. Pence for his stand.

Before Mr. Trump took the stage, his personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, addressed the crowd and called for “trial by combat” against the Democrats to win the election.

Continue...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/trump-speech-incite.html

“THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.” — Thomas Paine, Dec. 23, 1776

https://www.ushistory.org/paine/crisis/c-01.htm

Thanks, Putin!

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #42)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:26 PM

72. OMG--I thought that was Matthew McConaughey at first glance

I saw that picture and my first thought was "what movie did McConaughey play some crazed shirtless guy?". Then I took a closer look...

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:00 AM

5. Nancy really is one of us.

She totally gets it. I love her and respect her so much. I want to see a statue of Nancy on the capitol rotunda.

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Response to FalloutShelter (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:25 PM

55. Absolutely.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:00 AM

6. Wonder if Vindman is going to call for the Speaker's resignation now?

We have an insurrection incited by the civilian authority, trump, and some are accusing General Milley of treason?

It is unbelievable that some cannot grasp just how close we came to a Constitutional Crisis, and casualties among members of Congress

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:10 AM

18. Vindman's quote was made when story was incomplete.

FWIU: Vindman called for Miley’s resignation in an interview when it had been reported that Milley called China on his own authority. In the days since, we’ve learned he did so with SecDef Esper’s authority. I imagine the people in on the call will so testify.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:19 AM

27. Then he should have done due diligence before making that public statement.

"WASHINGTON — Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley placed two phone calls to his Chinese counterpart in the waning months of Donald Trump’s presidency to secretly reassure Beijing that the United States would not attack the country, a spokesman for Milley confirmed Wednesday.

The calls were first reported in the forthcoming book “Peril” by Washington Post journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.

“His calls with the Chinese and others in October and January were in keeping with these duties and responsibilities conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability,” said the spokesman, Col. Dave Butler.

All of Milley’s calls were coordinated with the rest of the Department of Defense and other relevant agencies, Butler added.

Milley did not tell Trump about the calls."

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/15/milley-held-secret-calls-with-china-others-as-trump-pushed-election-lies.html

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #27)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:12 PM

51. Vindman went with what he knew at the time. Sorry I couldn't advise him to be patient.

From Just Security.org:

Retired Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, who testified against Trump during Trump’s first impeachment trial, is calling for Milley’s resignation. Vindman tweeted on Tuesday that if the revelations in the new book “Peril” are true that Miley must resign. “He usurped civilian authority, broke Chain of Command, and violated the sacrosanct principle of civilian control over the military,” Vindman tweeted. “It’s an extremely dangerous precedent. You can’t simply walk away from that,” he added. Dominick Mastrangelo reports for The Hill.

Links to details: https://www.justsecurity.org/78269/early-edition-september-16-2021/

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:19 AM

28. I heard a General say yesterday," A guy who was part of that Administration

Is lecturing Milley?” And lost his job when he did not suck up.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:34 PM

59. That has been denied.

Chris Miller who was SecDef between the election and Jan 20th said he never authorized or knew of any call to China.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #59)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 02:07 PM

77. So? Esper was Sec Def when October call was made.

Esper authorized Miller’s call.



Milley defends calls to Chinese as effort to avoid conflict

by Jonathan Lemire
Washington Post, September 15, 2021

WASHINGTON (AP) — The top U.S. military officer on Wednesday defended the phone calls he made to his Chinese counterpart in the turbulent final months of Donald Trump’s presidency, saying the conversations were intended to convey “reassurance” to the Chinese military and were in line with his responsibilities as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Snip…

In a written statement, Milley’s spokesman, Col. Dave Butler, said Milley acted within his authority as the most senior uniformed adviser to the president and to the secretary of defense.

Snip…

“His calls with the Chinese and others in October and January were in keeping with these duties and responsibilities conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability,” Butler said. “All calls from the chairman to his counterparts, including those reported, are staffed, coordinated and communicated with the Department of Defense and the interagency.”

The Milley phone calls were described in excerpts from the forthcoming book “Peril” by Washington Post journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa. The book says Milley told Gen. Li Zuocheng of the People’s Liberation Army that he would warn his counterpart in the event of a U.S. attack.

Source: https://www.wsfa.com/2021/09/15/milley-defends-interactions-with-china-after-revelations-new-bob-woodward-book/



BTW: Chris Miller was an appointed, temporary SecDef, on Nov. 9, 2021. He never was approved by the Senate. A combat special forces vet, he worked on Trump’s NSC and in other offices.


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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #77)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 03:10 PM

83. Nothing in that story says Esper was notified.

In fact it stands out given there is a lack of mention of that. Miller was SecDef during the second phone call and he also said Esper was not notified about the first one. I believe Milley is testifying on the 28th. We may learn something then.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #83)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 03:42 PM

86. Big deal. It quotes Milley's spokesman, who explained the procedure.

From the article:

In a written statement, Milley’s spokesman, Col. Dave Butler, said Milley acted within his authority as the most senior uniformed adviser to the president and to the secretary of defense.

Snip…

“His calls with the Chinese and others in October and January were in keeping with these duties and responsibilities conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability,” Butler said. “All calls from the chairman to his counterparts, including those reported, are staffed, coordinated and communicated with the Department of Defense and the interagency.”

https://www.wsfa.com/2021/09/15/milley-defends-interactions-with-china-after-revelations-new-bob-woodward-book/

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #86)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:01 AM

120. Way to keep them honest kid

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:17 AM

25. .."a dictator who used force against another branch of government,"

"a dictator who used force against another branch of government,” Pelosi, a California Democrat, told Milley

The truth was evident on Jan 6.

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Response to Budi (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:20 AM

30. yes it was

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Response to Budi (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:21 PM

52. Trump tried to overthrow the government

Posted so on DU Jan. 10:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214879345

Now comes the reckoning.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #52)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:29 PM

57. Yup. And it better be as severe as our laws require.

Never again.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:07 AM

11. I'm going there. Watching the news live during the insurrection reminded me of the horror I felt

when I was glued to my tv on 9/11. I remember standing in front of the tv in shock both times.

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Response to Comfortably_Numb (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:51 PM

63. I felt worse, in that the enemy was from within. Relatives, neighbors. And trying to kill Congress

members and Democracy. Domestic terrorists that should not see the light of day, like their orange dictator.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #63)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:59 PM

67. Totally get that...sickened knowing these were home grown, hateful American domestic terrorists...

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Response to Comfortably_Numb (Reply #67)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 02:27 PM

81. and so many that either attended or are members of the increasing number of hate groups.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #81)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 03:20 PM

84. Groups like the military and law enforcement.... How's that for sickening????

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Response to Comfortably_Numb (Reply #84)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 05:56 PM

99. Scary times ahead. Watching the news, it's still largely about TFG and Biden's miscues.

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Response to Comfortably_Numb (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:04 PM

90. My neighbor texted me to turn on the TV...

The reports looked like complete chaos at the Capitol. They delayed the certification of the Electoral College. If things had continued as Trump seems to have wanted, Pence, Pelosi and a number of other elected leaders would be held hostage or worse. Despite the evidence to the contrary, Trump supporters blamed “Antifa” and BLM.

The insurrectionist mob and resultant TV coverage almost served to give the Drumpf Administration the needed pretext for calling out the Army and declaring martial law under the Insurrection Act. If that had happened, who knows where we’d be today?

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:08 AM

12. "what she called his coup attempt"

I always love the language used in articles. Interesting way to frame it.


Peace

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:08 AM

14. ...and now it's over eight months later and the asshole is still selling his big fucking lie.

free as a bird

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Response to spanone (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:09 PM

69. That is the saddest & truest thing I've heard all day! nt

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #69)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:19 PM

70. 👍🏼 😢

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Response to spanone (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 03:51 PM

88. And WTF has Garland done about it? Appears nada.

Chris Wray needs to go. WTF Biden?

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Response to spanone (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 05:18 PM

96. Have you seen the New York times compilation of 1-6

It's only 40 minutes long I found it on YouTube. It really really is depressing.

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Response to spanone (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 08:39 AM

127. To Destroy Democracy: MAGAphones

The right-wing media is helping Trump destroy democracy. A new poll shows how.

by Greg Sargent
Washington Post opinion, 16 September 2021

When future historians seek to explain the United States’ perilous slide toward authoritarianism in the 21st century, they will grapple with the role played in all these events by Fox News and the right-wing media. Simply put, those actors are helping Donald Trump and his movement threaten democracy, in a way that will likely continue getting worse.

A new poll from the Public Religion Research Institute demonstrates in a fresh way just how responsible those bad-faith media actors are for what we’re seeing right now. And this raises anew the question of how much damage they will do over the long haul.

The poll’s big finding is that people who rely heavily on Fox News and other right-wing media are overwhelmingly more likely to believe the election was stolen from Trump — and are overwhelmingly less likely to blame Trump for the insurrection — than those who do not.

Snip…

At my request, PRRI cut the data and provided me with these findings:

* Among Americans who most trust Fox News or those far-right news sources, a stunning 76 percent believe the election was stolen. By contrast, of those who most trust those other sources, only 21 percent believe this.

* Among Americans who most trust Fox News or those far-right news sources, only 12 percent say Trump gets a lot of blame for the Jan. 6 riot. And 64 percent blame liberal or left-wing activists, such as antifa.


Continues…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/16/prri-poll-fox-news-jan-6-trump/

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:14 AM

20. K & R Thank You! Speaker Pelosi for Publicly Saying what we all were asking

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told the top U.S. Army general that then-President Donald Trump was a “dictator” who “should have been arrested on the spot” after what she called his coup attempt to remain in the White House by inciting the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection

,,"a dictator who used force against another branch of government, Pelosi, a California Democrat, told Milley

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:14 AM

21. ..... AND Domestic....

Milley was well within his oath of office, to "protect and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, both foreign AND DOMESTIC.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:15 AM

22. If he had a real government he would have been....

30-40% of the people live in the matrix and follow this dolt and everything he did was awesome.

The wake up call would have been his arrest ? Too bad we missed a chance.

Mike pence is a liar, he knew Trump was threat to this country and he did nothing to protect it.

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Response to RANDYWILDMAN (Reply #22)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:22 AM

31. This. ". If he had a real government he would have been...."

. If he had a real government he would have been....

After 4 years he had insulated himself from what he KNEW was a serious corrupt plot against the American Govt.

He protected himself only, & before he ever protected the the USA.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:20 AM

29. Got no argument with that here, Madam Speaker. nt

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:22 AM

32. The White House lawyer thought so too...

Trump probably thought so for a short while...until he saw he was immune.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:31 AM

37. If we don't contain this cancer NOW

There won't be a country left to save by 2030.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:46 AM

40. Amazing

Amazing to me how the media has reframed the story within hours to 'should Milley be fired', giving a pass to the derangement of Trump.

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Response to justie18 (Reply #40)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:05 PM

47. Even more amazing

was seeing how many people at DU seemed to believe he should be fired as well. My thought was, "What did they want him to do? Let the monster start World War III?" Extraordinary circumstances sometimes allow for exceptions to protocol. Everything about the Trump administration was outside the norm.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:58 AM

44. Did she say this publicly at the time?

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:04 PM

46. I've been wondering if the military should intervene in a case

Where the CIC is giving them clear probable cause.

Oh well. Nothing to be done about it now. Right? Right?

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:06 PM

49. I wish

We had another Nancy Pelosi in the senate , she would chew manchin and sinema and spit them out.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:07 PM

50. It's gonna be ugly and violent but needed.

The legal shoe will drop on #TFG one of these days. How hard and deep is yet to be seen. There will be the call to arms by him and his Cult and there will be pockets of violence across our country. When, if, any of his kids are arrested expect more violence in more places.

Horrible as this all will be for America and Democracy it will be the lancing of the festering boil which is that man and family. And, with luck many of those who create the violence will be arrested or worse.

Just sayin...

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:22 PM

53. It is sad the Repug senators didn't do their job during impeachment

If they had, the Jan 6 riot wouldn't have happened.

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Response to SouthernDem4ever (Reply #53)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:27 PM

56. Same Senators exonerated Traitor Trump in 2019 impeachment.

Be a different world today. Just the COVID…

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:24 PM

54. I agree



With Pelosi. I’ve been saying for years now he’s a would-be Hitler who wants total control and then he would act like Hitler if he got it. He sure made every attempt to do it, it just didn’t work out for him.Make no mistake, if he can he’ll be back for another try.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:36 PM

60. Well yeah, he should've

but who was gonna do it? Riddle me that one.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:39 PM

61. So do I. I stand with our Speaker.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:48 PM

62. Of course he should have been

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:51 PM

64. I wish we had an AG

With the fire for the law and consequences as the Speaker. We ALL should be as outraged as her.
We are under attack, every day. Each day worse than the last. Bipartisanship. Don not negotiate with terrorists. Especially ones that have shown lies is their oxygen.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:56 PM

66. For most of recorded human history,

Last edited Thu Sep 16, 2021, 02:27 PM - Edit history (1)

Trump would've no longer been in possession of his head after the 6th. That he's not even been charged with anything is mind boggling.

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Response to temporary311 (Reply #66)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:44 PM

74. All we sane viewers get is news that he's in big trouble and more bombshells

BUT NO action!!! No solid arrest. Not even a hint. Not even the beginnings of a hint, just more constant news that he's really stepped in it this time.

Fuck. There are no consequences. He is immune to justice or nobody has the balls to put cuffs on him.

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Response to ffr (Reply #74)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:07 PM

111. No balls I think.

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Response to triron (Reply #111)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:02 AM

121. They are terrified of setting precedent.

They look at it as though the minute they went (back then), or now go after Trump (and it would be done in completely by the book way) they are guaranteeing the Rethugs will go after Biden or the next Dem POTUS, and likely not in a by the book way.

If (odds are pretty good they do) the Rethugs take back the House in 2022, Biden will be impeached within months. Of course, he will not be convicted in the Senate, even if the Rethugs win control back there (odds are 50/50 atm), but it is likely the House Rethugs may just impeach him again, say summer 2024, trying to fuck up the 2024 general.

I think it may well be that as long as there is a Dem POTUS and a Rethug controlled House, you will see impeachment after impeachment. They want to render it meaningless as much as they can, so that when a Rethug POTUS once again actually does something worthy of impeachment and removal, the very process is looked up as a toothless joke.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:02 PM

68. FTR me too.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:22 PM

71. Pelosi was correct. Trump should have been immediately arrested. nt

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:46 PM

75. I agree he should have been arrested on the spot

Some seem to be arguing though that prosecutors don’t have enough evidence to charge him or he may even be innocent but I’m not sure the arguments they are making.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 02:22 PM

79. arrested, tried

and the appropriate punishment, as ascribed to him by a jury of his 'peers', carried out.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 02:27 PM

80. There is no solution to this problem of steering the ship of State

Throughout history, supremely privileged or sometimes only power hungry yet insane rulers have ascended to head of state. Everybody knows it at the time, but no one can do anything about it. I doubt we can strengthen our 25th Amendment without injecting partisanship into the process, which sets up the process for abuse by the dominant party. Our system however limited and flawed worked well enough, quietly behind the scenes to balance the interests of the State with the ruler, with the help of those high in power performing high level functions. This type of stuff happens in corporations too. Sometimes the BOD has to oust the CEO. Usually it's related to unsound business practices that threaten the financial stability of the company, but there have been crooks, scoundrels, and criminals too.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 05:25 PM

97. I also couldn't agree more with the Speaker!

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 05:45 PM

98. Welcome back to DU, Kid

You still don't miss a thing. I missed you in your absence, and I welcome your return. Your posts are always interesting and on point.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 06:22 PM

100. Damn straight he should have been arrested on the spot.

The man is a budding despot.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:06 PM

103. KnR

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:09 PM

104. Yes, he should have

Why hasn't he been? And if he doesn't get arrested for that, what crime can he commit to get arrested? Should have been jailed after the Mueller report came out.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:14 PM

114. I totally agree

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 10:07 AM

128. Who's Milley Trump?


And who told Pelosi about Milley Trump?

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 10:38 AM

129. But... but... but... Russian orange-terrorist mob boss said "peacefully" ...

and then Russian orange-terrorist mob boss lied saying he "will march with" the mob...

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