The man behind the Texas abortion law tells women to 'control their reproductive lives by refraining

[Soph0571]

from sex'

The man described as the legal architect of Texas's new anti-abortion law has argued in past briefs that women can effectively "control their reproductive lives" by committing themselves to abstinence before marriage.
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"Women can 'control their reproductive lives' without access to abortion; they can do so by refraining from sexual intercourse," he wrote in a brief earlier this year. "One can imagine a scenario in which a woman has chosen to engage in unprotected (or insufficiently protected) sexual intercourse on the assumption that an abortion will be available to her later. But when this court announces the overruling of Roe, that individual can simply change their behavior in response to the court's decision if she no longer wants to take the risk of an unwanted pregnancy."

[link:https://www.rawstory.com/texas-abortion-law/|]
Emphasis mine

And there it is. Power, control, punishment and Patriarchy. Nothing to do with the foetus, never has been. Theocratic control freaks wanting women uneducated, bare footed, pregnant and in the kitchen.

[Ocelot II]

1. So won't that mean that men won't be getting laid either?

[Towlie]

4. No, but it means that former Texas solicitor general Jonathan Mitchell doesn't.

 
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Texas women: "Sorry, you're not allowed to rape me because Jonathan Mitchell says I must refraining from sexual intercourse."

[Grokenstein]

47. Mitchell's follow-up will be: "If you didn't WANT to be raped..."

"...you should have exercised better control of your vagina."

[TreasonousBastard]

22. Possibly, but his type sees that as a possible side benefit...

The natural order of things is that men are always blindly searching for sex and it is the job of women to fend off their urges while choosing the one man worthy of her affections.

Or something like that. Some Muslims have women cover themselves because men can't control themselves. Some ultra orthodox Jews require women to wear wigs for similar reasons. And so it goes.

But, never any sex until marriage! They ignore the idea that marriage only exists to have a means of making some guy responsible for fatherhood. Way back when, they had no idea how to figure out who the biological father was, so inventing the family unit solved a lot of problems. Caused a lot, too.

Throughout it all, though, anything bad that happened had to be the woman's fault. Men simply had no control over their urges, so they could never be at fault.

Any wonder that God gave up and just walked away...

[hlthe2b]

2. I'd bet this little incel would melt if surrounded by even a small crowd of women protesters...

I seriously hope to live to see karma come his way.

[BlueIdaho]

3. He does realize this street goes both ways - right?

And that married women make up a portion of those women needing abortions? Shit oh dear, these old rascals are completely clueless.

[Walleye]

5. There used to be plenty of unwanted pregnancies before a Roe versus Wade. What a dumb thing to say

[sarge43]

39. It's estimated that the abortion rate in this country ... contin'

was at its highest during the Great Depression.

Quell surprise.

[niyad]

6. Part from all the other hatred and stupidity in that statement, this woman-hating,

gestational slaving piece of human filth seems unaware of the fact that married women have abortions too.

[ShazzieB]

48. That's what I came here to say!

Idiot seems to assume that all married women are happy to have any number of kids that happen to come a,ong. Why not? After all, they're married! Aren't all married women supposed to just shoot out kids like two legged Pez dispensers? Isn't that what women are FOR?

People like this cretin assume that ALL abortions happen because of unmarried women having unprotected (or "insufficiently protected," whatever the hell that means, because ANY birth control method csn fail) sex. They think it's all just SO simple!

[wackadoo wabbit]

64. "two legged Pez dispensers" -- That had me as close to spitting out my coffee as I've ever been

Thanks for the laugh in an otherwise depressing thread.

[crickets]

68. 👆👆

[UTUSN]

7. Getting the name out there: former Texas solicitor general Jonathan Mitchell

Prolly no luck with women to start with

[Jerry2144]

8. This is where English is lacking

There is no word in English that fits that level of assholishness. Since our language is lacking, I nominate using the word conservative or Republican to mean “ level of assholishness greater than or equal to 11 on a scale of one to ten,”

[MLAA]

18. I second your nomination. Well done.

[vanlassie]

62. Pitiful little wanker.

[MontanaMama]

9. Married women sometimes choose abortion...

If they're poor, if they're in an abusive relationship, if they do not want to raise another child. I'm so sick of these ignorant assholes.

[Demsrule86]

46. I left Georgia after almost been murdered by a right to life doctor during a

miscarriage...he completely ignored my medical needs focusing on the baby I lost...there was no heartbeat and the pregnancy was over. I almost died. Now women whose babies die in utero are forced to carry to term because I kid you not...God might bring said baby back to life. It is a disgrace. I hope all women rise up in every state and show these incels the door.

[ShazzieB]

50. I am so sorry you were put through such horrible mistreatment.

And so glad you survived abd are here to share your story. No thanks to that QUACK!

[littlemissmartypants]

60. Abd? I searched the urban dictionary and acronym finder but can't figure out what it is. TIA ❤

[Demsrule86]

72. My husband saved my life. He made it back home from a business trip by contacting the

airlines...managed to get the first flight out after I called him and said I was in trouble. He is and always was a keeper. We were from the New York area and had little family support in Georgia. My Navy Dad had settled in Connecticut. And hubs was from the Bronx.

[SergeStorms]

55. As a female you're considered...

chatel, number one, and disposable, number two. You exist only as property for the man, and a multi-tasking incubator for the man's children. That seems what your "doctor" from Georgia believed as well.

If you could read that and not want to strangle me, congratulations, you're a better person than myself.

This is what women were thought of not that long ago. This is what women are still thought of by some evangelicals and knuckle dragging incel idiots who believe it's still 1900.

I feel so sorry for women in this day and age. I thought we'd be WAY beyond this sort of crap in the year 2021.

The birth of my daughter, some 37 years ago, and my grand-daughter in 2013, have made me an old, male, radical feminist. I'm extremely proud to wear that label. Extremely proud.

[Demsrule86]

70. Thank you for this post... i would have given anything to save this pregnancy.

But I knew with the first drop of blood, i wouldn't. The doctor cared nothing about me as you said and nearly killed me .

[MontanaMama]

56. JFC. I am so sorry.

I had two miscarriages...one in the first trimester and one in the second. I can't imagine going through what you did.

[Demsrule86]

69. It was awful. I knew i would die. Hubs arrived back from a business trip and saved my life.

He raised hell and fkred the doctor.

[HAB911]

10. Unless he's an Incel

he hasn't fully thought this through

[smirkymonkey]

11. Sooooo....if I woman is refraining from having the type of sex that could get her pregnant, then

that means a man isn't getting any sex from that woman either. Imagine if every woman of child-bearing age who did not want to have a baby did exactly that. Just stopped having sex with men.

Do right-wing christian men ever think things through? Where do these men think they are going to get sex from? Their frigid, Christian wives? "Unholy, forbidden" prostitutes? Spill their precious seed on the ground through self-gratification?

Young, pre-pubescent girls and boys?

Ah-HA! I think we might be on to something here!

[Bev54]

33. They don't care because the word no means nothing to them

rape, whether marital or not is their game.

[OrangeJoe]

51. You left out one category

Where do these men think they are going to get sex from?
1.Young, pre-pubescent girls and boys.
2.Men. The number of these guys who have come-out or been outed as gay is astronomical. (Clearly not that there's anything wrong with being gay, unless you've built a career on persecuting them).

[MacKasey]

12. This is a religious belief that life begins at conception

and at 6 weeks there is a heart beat.

This should not be a law

Ones religious beliefs should not be applied to someone who has different beliefs

[Towlie]

14. And it's not supported anywhere in the Bible.

 
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As for a heartbeat, Dick Cheney went for 15 months without a heartbeat, so that's not a criterion for being alive.

In early-July 2010, Cheney was outfitted with a left-ventricular assist device (LVAD) at Inova Fairfax Heart and Vascular Institute to compensate for worsening congestive heart failure. The device pumped blood continuously through his body. He was released from Inova on August 9, 2010, and had to decide whether to seek a full heart transplant. This pump was centrifugal and as a result he remained alive without a pulse for nearly fifteen months.

[3catwoman3]

31. I have always hoped that Cheney's donor heart did not...

...come from a Democrat.

[Crunchy Frog]

37. I never really thought of him as being alive anyway.

[amywalk]

49. It's not a heartbeat at 6 weeks. It's just electrical activity from

the cells that will eventually develop into a heart.

[Towlie]

13. Considering their apathy about fighting COVID it's obvious that the Republican concern isn't life.

 
?

"That fetus must be born, and live at least long enough to go to school maskless and catch COVID-19."

Democrat's give good, wholesome, reasons for their actions; Republicans give dishonest, ridiculous, excuses.

[ShazzieB]

54. It doesn't need to live that long to make them happy.

As long as it lives long enough to take at least one breath, the forced birthers have done their job. Even it has a condition that was diagnosed in utero and is known to be "incompatible with life," it has a "right" to be born! So what if it's only going to die an agonizingly miserable death due to said condition? It got to get BORN! What could be more important than that?

[no_hypocrisy]

15. So therefore, if I get sterilized, according to his thesis,

I can fornicate to beat the band.

[Ligyron]

59. That's what I did and it worked out great!

I just said fuck it. Actually, come to think of it, that’s what she said.

And for the love of gawd and all that’s holy … certainly not cousin It either.

[Doodley]

16. We need a movement. All women should (if they wish) declare they are withholding sex (with men).

Give these women-haters what they ask for!

[Hekate]

21. Very few women are actually going to follow the plot of an ancient Greek play...

But it keeps coming up, nonetheless.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

17. The 36 year old virgin?

"If I can't get laid no on else can"



On edit I guess it's not the same person.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/mark-dickson-texas-abortion-ban/2021/09/16/bb773a0a-0c02-11ec-a6dd-296ba7fb2dce_story.html

[CrispyQ]

19. Evidently, in his eyes, every woman who wants/needs an abortion is a slut.

Can we make a law that men don't get to make laws about women's bodies? I'm so sick of this shit.

[Hekate]

20. Notice, please, that nowhere dies he mention contraception either before or after marriage. nt

[lpbk2713]

23. Mr Mitchell, do you use a blow-up doll?

You might want to think about your words the next time you want to get laid.

[sarcasmo]

24. Womb Control.

[Biophilic]

25. I probably shouldn't have read this. I already grind my teeth and clench my jaw.

If nothing else they have proven to me that I CAN hate someone, especially if they are truly evil. Grrrrrrind.

[MagickMuffin]

26. Who appointed you God of women?

I think you should worry about your own body and not worry about us women. We can handle our own needs without your interference.

[Ziggysmom]

44. No, never, nope, nada, nix, never, nay......

Not if he was the last man on earth. I'd die a virgin before touching this pitiful excuse for a human being!

[ShazzieB]

58. No kidding.

What a smug, smarmy, "I know everything and you 'little ladies' know nothing" piece of mansplaining, condescending trash!

Another face for my gallery of Most Punchable Faces. (If I had one, that is.)

[Ziggysmom]

66. Another nominee for the possible gallery......

Matt Gaetz! The sight of him makes my stomach sick 🤢

[AmBlue]

27. And what about the penis that would impregnate her?

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What? No legislative action impacting the penis-owner for the rest of HIS life? The penis-owner doesn't have to pay half of the $10,000 fines??? These people are so freaking sick. They just disgust me!!

Women all over Texas should just move out of state or refuse to have sex. Period.

[rickyhall]

28. GFY, pig.

[Sogo]

29. I had heard it was a Catholic woman behind the anti-abortion movement,

but this man is also espousing the Catholic teaching....Sex is only for pro-creation.

[Budi]

41. He's a Federalist Society scholar. Religion has actually no meaning other than growing a base

He thinks he's jesus.

[Demovictory9]

30. ugh... women please vote in huge numbers in 2022

[bucolic_frolic]

32. Only a sick sadist wants to control people's lives

[Texin]

34. Well, abstinence is a two way street, mister!

If enough women adopt this attitude there are going to be a whole lot more incels walking around. And what is his "recommendation" for married women who don't want be subjected to a fourteenth pregnancy/birth?

[Crunchy Frog]

35. He doesn't know that married women usually want to control their fertility too.

Maybe his wife can show him.

[Budi]

36. former Texas solicitor general Jonathan Mitchell

.."that former Texas solicitor general Jonathan Mitchell, who was instrumental in getting the new Texas anti-abortion law in place, has argued before to the United States Supreme Court that outlawing abortion will not take away a woman's right to control her body since she will still have the option of not engaging in sex."

This guy.
former Texas solicitor general Jonathan Mitchell. The Federalist Society
https://fedsoc.org/contributors/jonathan-mitchell




I can't even speak to this stupidity.

[Dreampuff]

38. We have just stepped back in time.

I was born in the mid-1950s and here are a few things I overheard when I was a child:

If they're old enough to make them, they are old enough to take care of them.

If they're old enough to make them, they are old enough to support them.

She got herself pregnant.

We have just stepped back into the good old days when things weren't always that good unless you are a rich, white male.

[70sEraVet]

40. The 11 year impregnated by her uncle should have controlled her reproductive life.

I really do hate these self-righteous, heartless fools.

[AZLD4Candidate]

42. Carlin was right in 1996. They aren't pro-life, they're anti-woman

[FakeNoose]

43. I've got a better suggestion: pack up and leave Texas

[Carlitos Brigante]

52. I guess no one explained to that creepy little weirdo that other

people's sex life is none of his goddamn business.

[Moebym]

53. His ideal America

is a mix of Idiocracy, Mad Max, and The Handmaid's Tale.

[shenmue]

57. How about... men?

Just a thought.

The hymen is not a freshness seal.

Women are not boxes of butter.

[radical noodle]

61. You're so right...

This is what it's been about all along. It's not about babies. It's about controlling women's sexuality. I saw it with the abstinence-only groups in schools where girls could reemerge as born-again virgins after having had sex. I saw it with the father-daughter pledges at a "purity ball." I've never seen boys/young men pledging to their mothers at a purity ball. I am not against a young woman who decides she wants to remain a virgin until marriage but that's some sick stuff when virginity is the ultimate goal.

Women are under attack and we're going to have to get serious and fight back.

"They should have never have given us uniforms if they didn't want us to be an army."

[Caliman73]

63. So, about 45% of women according to the Guttmacher Institute

Are married (about 15%) or in long term co-habitating relationships (30%).

Even though the "relationship status" of women who want an abortion is irrelevant, just wanted to point out that even on this point, the idiot from Texas is wrong when more than a third of women who seek abortions are married or in long term stable relationships.

It isn't about women "waiting till marriage". If it is at all about sex, then it takes TWO people to have sex. I see NO message to men to "keep it in their pants". It is just women who get the blame with these idiots.

Keep talking though. Keep showing everyone that it has fuckall to do with "protecting life" and everything to do with controlling and punishing women for having bodily autonomy.

[uponit7771]

65. See, they're asexual or they hate sex ... typical

[KentuckyWoman]

67. Another man who assumes she wants it.

Women are so often coerced into sex. Let us count the ways.

My own mother once told me she hated the act but thought it her duty and didn't want dad to run off. She never wanted kids. Her economic options outside marriage were nearly zero.

Women do have it better now but the consequences of saying no are too often worse than just doing it.

[DFW]

71. Mitchell represents the absolute worst of what modern Western society has to offer

At least the Taliban is up front about their attitudes. This garden slug preaches the same thing, but tries to cloak it in a respectability it will never acquire.

[Blue Owl]

73. Time to kick this fuck right in the purity balls