Scoop - Manchin: Delay Biden plan to '22

[demmiblue]

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) is privately saying he thinks Congress should take a “strategic pause” until 2022 before voting on President Biden’s $3.5 trillion social-spending package, people familiar with the matter tell Axios.

Why it matters: Manchin’s new timeline — if he insists on it — would disrupt the plans by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) to vote on the budget reconciliation package this month.

Driving the news: Back home in West Virginia last week, Manchin told a group of employees at a Procter & Gamble facility in Martinsburg he wanted to pause all the talk about the $3.5 trillion bill until 2022, Axios was told.

Those semi-public comments track with some of his private conversations about how long he wants to impose the "strategic pause" he floated in a Wall Street Journal op-ed this month.

Manchin didn't give a specific timeline in his op-ed.

https://www.axios.com/scoop-manchin-delay-biden-plan-to-22-8116a0e8-ed10-4662-8ebb-6922f073a8e8.html

[RealityBasedNewYorkr]

1. Moron

He is not playing on our team, sadly

[Drunken Irishman]

2. If that's the case, it's dead.

[msongs]

3. one wonders why his plane was parked in kentucky the other week nt

[UTUSN]

12. This

[Walleye]

4. Why?? What is the so-called pause all about? Feathering his nest for post-senate life?

[Funtatlaguy]

5. I'd trade him this if he'd filibuster carve out the Voting Rights bill.

[patphil]

10. I agree, give us the voting rights bills so we have a chance to do an infrastructure bill in 2023.

Without the two voting rights bills, the Republicans could be calling all the shots in 2023.

[Funtatlaguy]

27. Yes, and if we can turn a few Senate seats in 2022

To some Dems that will agree to dump the filibuster, we won’t need Manchin and Sinemas votes to keep it. 😃

[patphil]

28. I'm with you on that. We need a cushion in the Senate and a bigger one in the House.

[FBaggins]

32. But what's the "trade"?

He can get "this" by just declaring it to be so. He doesn't need to "trade" anything.

[FoxNewsSucks]

6. Republicons want it killed,

and Manchin's gonna do it for them.

Then, blame will be on "the squad" even though the liberals have been working WITH Biden, and are living up to their end of the deal to pass both bills.

[Bettie]

26. I was just saying that if we lose seats in 22

people will scream that it is progressives....sigh.

[leftieNanner]

7. Ol' Joe's Money Men

Must be leaning on him pretty hard.

Plus he gets off on the power he has.

[brush]

8. He's not working in the best interest of the party. Waiting until...

'22 will delay infrastructure projects and thousands of good jobs and economic boost they bring which will help us Dems in the '22 mid-terms to keep our Congressional majorities.

Makes one wonder if he's in league with the republicans.

[vercetti2021]

9. Can we stop treating him as a Dem now?

He clearly isn't. He is his own party, he does what he is told to do by whoever pays him the most. He isn't a fucking Democrat FFS. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing. I don't care if my post gets hidden or reported. It's time to stop pretending that they can coral him in. We can't, the same with the other "Democrat" from Arizona. We have two rogue congress people who are not working for anyone but their own self interests.

[Phoenix61]

22. +1,000 nt

[rickyhall]

11. Why he was meeting with the evil turtle. Delay till repugs can take back the senate.

Just like he did Obama. Don't fall for it Mr. President, it's another McConnell con.

[unblock]

13. Or until we have more of majority and don't need him.

It's basically no, and a "deal" in the unlikely event we actually end up with an exactly 50-50 senate again.

[rickyhall]

14. A majority would solve the problem and finally put the turtle away.

[choie]

15. Sure Joe

100,000s of people unemployed, thousands sick, hospitals at full capacity, infrastructure in the shit, climate change speeding ahead, our Democracy in danger, but yeah, sure - let’s wait until ‘22.

[OnDoutside]

16. " is privately saying". Yawn, come on guys, let the dance play out.

[wellst0nev0ter]

17. And there it is

But the designer of the "Tax The Rich" dress owed back taxes, so BOTH SIDES

[aocommunalpunch]

18. I'd like to put a pause on any perks he has within the party.

If he wants to squeal about that, he's welcome to add that to his legacy. Stop catering to this guy and put ANY pressure on him. Parent him, make him eat his peas, whatever. There has to be more they can hold over him.

[Blaukraut]

19. Okay, fine. Both bills get a vote Jan. 15th '22.

This way they can fiddle around with the reconciliation bill for a few more weeks and then run on having passed both bills for the rest of the year until the midterms.

[global1]

20. What Does He Say The Pause Til 2022 Will Accomplish?....

What is HIS reason for the pause? Not speculation. I want to hear from him why he thinks a pause is needed until 2022.

[WHITT]

21. I'd Rather Put A Pause

on Manchin until '22.

[Buckeyeblue]

23. What's the strategy? He should explain.

[Arazi]

24. I thought Bernie and the Squad, particularly AOC, are the Dems who fuck things up

Please educate me, oh centrist DUers

[wackadoo wabbit]

30. I love this! /nt

[BlueLucy]

25. We need to send our big guns to WV and talk about the bill.

We need the people of West Virginia to make noise. We have to inform them better than what we're doing.

[tritsofme]

31. Who would that be? Biden didn't even get 30% of the vote in WV.

Democrats have very little leverage, Biden and Schumer are doing their best with the cards they have been dealt.

[FBaggins]

33. Exactly right

Manchin's polling numbers have been sliding... but he's still well above those of any "big gun" that could be sent to WV.

[luv2fly]

29. Good thing we aren't allowed to bash prominent Dems

Otherwise this thread could get ugly.