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Mon Sep 27, 2021, 03:44 PM

She Bought Her Dream Home. Then a 'Sovereign Citizen' Changed the Locks.

The official-looking letters started arriving soon after Shanetta Little bought the cute Tudor house on Ivy Street in Newark. Bearing a golden seal, in aureate legalistic language, the documents claimed that an obscure 18th-century treaty gave the sender rights to claim her new house as his own.

She dismissed the letters as a hoax.

And so it was with surprise that Ms. Little found herself in her yard on Ivy Street on a June afternoon as a police SWAT team negotiated with a man who had broken in, changed her locks and hung a red and green flag in its window. He claimed he was a sovereign citizen of a country that does not exist and for whom United States laws do not apply.

Ms. Little was a victim of a ploy known as paper terrorism, a favorite tactic of an extremist group that is one of the fastest
growing, according to government experts

But the strange letters declaring that Ms. Little’s home is not her own still come. They arrive on faux-consular letterhead using the name Lenapehoking of the Al Moroccan Empire at New Jersey State Republic. Lenapehoking was the land between New York City and Philadelphia that includes New Jersey and was home to the Indigenous Lenape tribe before it was colonized by European settlers. Mr. John and his group refer to themselves as Moors.

“The Moors claim to be about Black liberation and opportunity, and uplifting Black people,” Ms. Little said in an interview seated on a staircase inside her house. “But he is literally oppressing me and taking what’s mine as a Black woman.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/26/nyregion/moors-newark.html

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Reply She Bought Her Dream Home. Then a 'Sovereign Citizen' Changed the Locks. (Original post)
XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 OP
CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2021 #1
cinematicdiversions Sep 2021 #2
canetoad Sep 2021 #4
SergeStorms Sep 2021 #29
lindysalsagal Sep 2021 #3
SCantiGOP Sep 2021 #5
WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #6
NickB79 Sep 2021 #16
BradAllison Sep 2021 #26
WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #30
brooklynite Sep 2021 #37
Bucky Sep 2021 #33
drray23 Sep 2021 #8
Whiskeytide Sep 2021 #13
Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #34
barbtries Sep 2021 #20
Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #35
barbtries Sep 2021 #38
Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #39
Vinca Sep 2021 #7
JHB Sep 2021 #17
tulipsandroses Sep 2021 #9
Mosby Sep 2021 #15
tulipsandroses Sep 2021 #19
Mosby Sep 2021 #21
BradAllison Sep 2021 #25
jmowreader Sep 2021 #42
ZonkerHarris Sep 2021 #10
RainCaster Sep 2021 #11
Me. Sep 2021 #12
XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 #14
The Mouth Sep 2021 #22
XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 #23
BradAllison Sep 2021 #24
Me. Sep 2021 #31
Ilsa Sep 2021 #18
AllaN01Bear Sep 2021 #27
greenjar_01 Sep 2021 #28
rdking647 Sep 2021 #32
XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 #36
XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 #40
MissB Sep 2021 #41

Response to XanaDUer2 (Original post)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 03:53 PM

1. These so-called "sovereign citizens" need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

What they're doing is so illegal that it takes my breath away.

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Original post)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 03:59 PM

2. It's Moops....

 




On a more serious note, the issue with people taking over houses or so called renters refusing to leave and the cops claiming it is civil matter is a very serious one that the law is way behind on in most places.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:06 PM

4. I see

What you did there.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 06:19 PM

29. Bubble boy....

a wonderful Seinfeld episode. "Moops"....

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Original post)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:01 PM

3. If he's not an american, he has no constitutional rights. Workcamp, anyone?

Are they all gone?

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:06 PM

5. Is that you, Mr Scrooge?

“Are the poorhouses all full?”

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:08 PM

6. Wtf? Noncitizens absolutely have constitutional rights within the U.S.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:53 PM

16. I assumed the post was made for sarcastic value

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 06:01 PM

26. His "non-citizenship" is of his own completely bullshit declaration.

But please, let's be sure to derail some more.

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Response to BradAllison (Reply #26)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 06:20 PM

30. I guess I don't see correcting misinformation as derailing.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 11:12 AM

37. Sovereign Citizens have full Constitutional rights, including the right to a speedy trial...

…whether they acknowledge it or not.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 07:02 PM

33. Haha, I did a double-take on that post too

Pretty sure sarcasm is at work here.

I like it when they can still surprise me

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:18 PM

8. it's called the law of the land for a reason.

Any person on american soil, citizen or not enjoy all the rights afforded by the constitution.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:39 PM

13. No work camp. But perhaps could deport him? n/t

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #13)

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 07:58 AM

34. Heh.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 05:37 PM

20. constitutional rights

apply to everyone including undocumented people, non-citizens, etc.

https://www.maniatislawoffice.com/blog/2018/08/do-non-citizens-have-constitutional-rights/

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Response to barbtries (Reply #20)

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 07:59 AM

35. To quote Foghorn Leghorn: "It's a joke, son."

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #35)

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 12:06 PM

38. i'm so dense.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #38)

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 12:21 PM

39. No, it took me a minute, too. That was part of what made me laugh.

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Original post)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:12 PM

7. If he's not an American then his behind needs to be shipped out to "East Sovereignistan."

Just what we need in this country - another crackpot group of imbeciles.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 05:05 PM

17. Sovereignistan is sectioned by "Ober-" and "Unter-", not east and west

Actually it's all "Unter-", but none of them want to admit it.

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Original post)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:20 PM

9. Very scary. Moorish sovereign citizens are not the same as the Moors that she is thinking of

They are an offshoot if you can even call them that of the religion founded by Noble Drew Ali. I wish the media did a better job of clarifying that. I may not agree with Moors religious ideologies but they are not what these kooky sovereign citizens are. Moorish sovereign citizens are basically your black version of QANOn nuts. They believe in a lot of crazy conspiracies.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:50 PM

15. They are a criminal gang

They specialize in selling fake IDs and documents.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 05:27 PM

19. There really isn't one gang.There are all kinds of folks calling themselves Moors

And yes, many are criminals and fraudsters that dupe unwitting folks. Many people that claim to be sovereign moors really believe this stuff. I’ve had my fair share of conversations with some of these nuts. Many have a hodgepodge of loony ideas like qanon folks.From anti vaccine to flat earth earthers, a lot of other pseudo science and pseudo history mumbo jumbo. On a side note but related. Does anyone remember the story of Cult leader Dwight York who was convicted of sexual assault? Even they were calling themselves a moorish community.
Whom some folks that buy into some of this nonsense have tried to rehabilitate his reputation. York had a lot of nutty beliefs.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 05:59 PM

25. These are the assholes who shut down I-95 in Massachusetts a few weeks ago. n/m

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Response to tulipsandroses (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 03:44 PM

42. That religion has disowned the MSCs

Their primary gurus are Taj Tariq Bey and Verdiacee Turner. Taj is the big one; his rhetoric got Korryn Gaines killed. If you watch the video of her traffic stop that led to the shootout, what she spouts is boilerplate Taj.

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Original post)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:21 PM

10. I wonder how many sovereign citizens wind up as mulch in a backyard for trying this on the wrong

homeowner?

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Original post)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:22 PM

11. Does the castle doctrine apply to these jokers?

I think these clowns would leave pretty quick if they met up with a 12 gauge treaty doctrine.

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Original post)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:32 PM

12. Did She Get Her House Back?

He arrested?

Firewall.

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Response to Me. (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 04:45 PM

14. he's still bugging her

she's standing her ground, wondering why he chose her home

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 05:44 PM

22. Click Click Boom

Some people are just a waste of oxygen. This idiot needs to take a dirt nap.

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Response to The Mouth (Reply #22)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 05:52 PM

23. I've lived places he'd be shot. For reals nt

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 05:57 PM

24. He probably squatted there n/m

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 06:40 PM

31. 2 Reasons

1. She's black

2. She's a woman

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Original post)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 05:06 PM

18. Make him a home in prison.

30 years, like a typical mortgage.

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Original post)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 06:13 PM

27. there have been several stories about this , if 'Sovereign Citizen,

does not recognize us laws , then they need to be exported like all illeagel aliens are .

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Original post)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 06:19 PM

28. Was it Carter Hayes?

 



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Response to XanaDUer2 (Original post)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 06:48 PM

32. youtube is full of videos of sov cits getting arrested

 

they get pulled over and dont have a license or plates. they claim they dont need a license since they arent driving just "travelling"
it ends up a lot of times with a taser and the idiot having his window smashed out as the cops drag him out

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Original post)

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 11:09 AM

36. Kick nt

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Reply #36)

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 03:33 PM

40. Kick nt

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Response to XanaDUer2 (Original post)

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 03:37 PM

41. I kinda hope that happened to the house next door



kinda.

the new owner is tearing down the house, and someone seems to have moved in recently in the past few weeks. No idea what they are doing - I don't hear any deconstruction and I don't see anything leaving the house. Who knows.

But yeah this is my worst nightmare! A coworker had a rental house that sat vacant for a couple of weeks. He was fixing the place up to sell and one day found his locks had been changed. Squatters had moved in. The police ran them off and nothing was ever mentioned about sovereign citizens. But that would freak me out to have someone move into a piece of property that I own and try to take it over.

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