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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTesla has jumped the shark
This is just a terrible idea
https://slate.com/technology/2021/09/tesla-yoke-steering-wheel-safety.html
OK, I think they may have actually jumped the shark several years when they introduced the Cybertruck https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck but at least that could be written off as a niche market.
Now they are screwing with the functionality of one of their mainline cars for the vanity of how it looks. Obviously it just stems from the fact that they think the cars will drive themselves which is crazy in itself.
kirkuchiyo
(402 posts)Chainfire
(17,310 posts)And we are the ones who buy trucks.
kirkuchiyo
(402 posts)But it's a VW station wagon. Wouldn't trade it for anything.
PJMcK
(21,922 posts)My sailboat has a Yanmar 18-hp inboard Diesel. Its the best engine of any type Ive ever had.
Want to read a great mystery? Google Rudolph Diesel, the German engineer who developed the engine. Intriguing stuff!
kirkuchiyo
(402 posts)It's also my 31st wedding anniversary. My wife is a saint!
PJMcK
(21,922 posts)jmowreader
(50,453 posts)Great car. No problems at all. Only traded it for more cargo capacity. My first thought was to get a trailer, but VW says you cant tow with a Bug, so that was out.
If Tiguans were available in diesel, Id still have a diesel.
MuseRider
(34,060 posts)has an old, loud Cummins engine. I hate it now and wish I could afford a new, quiet truck. If I get a new one it will still be an old beater so I can haul hay etc. I no longer drive it anywhere but out here and back and forth to the feed store.
Chainfire
(17,310 posts)Try to educate a bunch of liberals about the manly art of truckery! They may be putting Diesels is some yuppy type vehicles, but, until they put a diesel in damn Bentley, it should be for manly men and the manly trucks that they drive. amen. Show me a man in a King Ranch pickup, (the John Wayne of pickups) and I will show you Republican leadership potential.
Back to the subject at hand, it looks as if someone may be trying to upstage Edsel Fords marketing disaster. Remember Edsel? Born into the lap of wealth and luxury? He is the Ford with the brother named Diesel and sister Ethyl; it was really volatile family. In any case, Ed's name will always be associated with failure. I guess any claim to fame beats being invisible.
marble falls
(56,371 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)marble falls
(56,371 posts)60's Dodge
Maserati Boomerang
Oldsmobile Inca
Lancia Stratos Siblio
Aston Martin Lagonda
Pagani Huayra
Citroen Karin
X-Ray Roadster
Mercedes F-200
Lamborghini Athon
Honda EV-Ster
BMW Z22
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)marble falls
(56,371 posts)Get over it.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)Until today, I had never heard of a Pagani but it appeared in a book I am listening to on my way to work (in a truck. with a steering wheel) this morning and then there's a picture of a Pagani interior in your list.
TWO Pagani references in one day after 57 (almost 58) years of no Pagani references at all.
Wacky universe!
BTW that thing looks neat. Next time I got 6 million bucks burning a hole in my pocket I may have to hunt one down.
Lol, is the Citroen Karin what you drive to go speak to the manager?
viva la
(3,229 posts)short arms.
Also, for some reason, the turn signals are a button on the steering wheel, not an arm that blinks and sounds.
I still haven't been able to reliably (without looking) turn on my radio and tune it from the steering wheel of my plain old Honda. We signal several times a minute in city traffic-- the buttons seem like taking streamlining too far.
But I'm not a Tesla sort of person. It all sounds too fussy and cerebral for me. Others might love pretending they're piloting a 747 on the highway.
MurrayDelph
(5,281 posts)But when I needed a new car, the price of a Model 3 equipped the way I needed it (long range for the empty parts of the 395, all-wheel drive for the occasional snow) priced it out of my market.
Now, in my case, when I drive amy extended distance, I have my left elbow resting on the windowsill and my left hand lightly pressing on the wheel at about 10 o'clock, index and thumb in front, middle finger knuckle in back. This yoke confirmation means there is no place for me to hold on.
Besides, where could I put this?:
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,848 posts)... the engineers working there.
Just a guess.
PortTack
(32,606 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,848 posts)... and impossible ideas in the past, like the Hyperloop:
There's plenty of engineers who still try to make them work, so some of them also put more value in hero-worshipping than reality sometimes.
underpants
(182,284 posts)I dont ever what a car payment again but I like the Teslas. Nice look and from what Ive seen and read good performance.
StarryNite
(9,366 posts)My daughter has the small one. She's had it for two years and absolutely loves it. She hangs on to her vehicles for years and is planning on having this one for a long time.
multigraincracker
(32,532 posts)joy stick. You know that's where it's going.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)samnsara
(17,572 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)How about drivers accidents, see those too?
marie999
(3,334 posts)In a study commissioned by Google, Virginia Tech says that the drivers have 4.2 crashes every million miles and self-driving have 3.2 crashes every million miles, but only in Mountain View California, and Austin Texas. Where the University of Michigan Transportation Research Institute says drivers have 4.1 crashes per million miles and self-driving have 9.1 million crashes per million miles but does not state if only in California or more states. As for me, I bought new washing machines in 2015 to replace a 2001 model, then in 2017, 2019, and 2021 because in all 4 the computers crashed. So no, I will never get into a self-driving car.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)sir pball
(4,726 posts)Despite Elon's ass-smoke, "Full Self Driving" is anything but - it's a dangerous misnomer for a system that is in reality no more capable of hands-off driving than any other Level 2 assistance system. True autonomy, Levels 4/5, are always "3-5 years away" in marketing fluff; the reality is more likely to be decades. Tesla has done an amazing job in terms of legitimizing EVs, but this "self driving" malarkey is misleading at best and actively dangerous at worst.
tinrobot
(10,848 posts)All they have now are cameras. They ditched radar last year, and don't do lidar or any other advanced sensing technologies that companies like Waymo are using.
Get some water/mud on those Tesla cameras and the car is blind.
SYFROYH
(34,127 posts)sir pball
(4,726 posts)Though Elon would probably have a stroke if an engineer suggested all these *gasp* physical controls
marble falls
(56,371 posts)sir pball
(4,726 posts)That's a Ferrari wheel...
marble falls
(56,371 posts)MenloParque
(505 posts)For a Porsche Taycan Turbo S. Fit and finish is superior, as is the performance. A lot less Teslas at my campus parking lots these days compared to the last few years. Many more all electric alternatives from other makers such as Audis, Bmw, Mercedes. Tesla aint the only game in town if you want electric.
hunter
(38,264 posts)A gearbox reduced the force required to turn a car's wheels, especially at slow speeds.
There's nothing sacred about traditional steering wheels. They're just one of those things we're stuck on, like QWERTY keyboards.
That doesn't change my opinion about Tesla. If someone gave me a Tesla I'd give it like a hot potato.
Scrivener7
(50,774 posts)People were predicting its downfall after the truck and it has gone nuts since then.
bluesbassman
(19,310 posts)For a new driver, becoming accustomed to a yoke may be satisfactory. However drivers with decades of experience operating a vehicle with a full steering wheel have extensive muscle memory for how to use the wheel in an accident scenario or in accident avoidance maneuvers. Im sure over time most drivers can become proficient in operating Teslas yoke, but it will take time and during that time the risk of being involved in an accident may be increased.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,438 posts)someone declared Teslas end, I could buy a Plaid.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Happy Hoosier
(7,083 posts)Yokes have been used in aircraft and racing cars for a long time. It is a change in paradigm, though, and that can lead to "training" issues. Not sure I'd want it as the control ratio for consumer cars is MUCH lower than aircraft or racing cars, but it DOES improve visibility of the instrument panel.
marie999
(3,334 posts)If so do you palm your top hand for a 1 hand turn? It would probably work better with a suicide knob.
beaglelover
(3,441 posts)much, but would not buy another one if it had the yoke wheel. Time will tell.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)They aren't going to let a vehicle line fail over that.
I've used a yoke before. In aircraft. Of all the things to get used to, that barely rose to conscious notice.
Xoan
(25,294 posts)Initech
(99,915 posts)But it does feel like a hundred, LOL. And yeah that thing definitely jumped the shark, it's a totally ridiculous looking vehicle.