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Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 01:22 PM Sep 2021

Tom Cotton's Slave-Owning Ancestors

A nice blogger explains…



Tom Cotton's Slave-Owning Ancestors

Tom Cotton's family owned slaves


Esha, Historic.ly, Jul 27, 2020

Tom Cotton feels very strongly that 1619 project should not be used to teach kids.He has sponsored a bill that cuts funding to using the 1619 project to teach kids. Is an ulterior motive for Tom Cotton to not want anyone to learn the truth about slavery?

If we dig into records of slave ownership, we can see that Tom Cotton’s family owned slaves.

Snip…

In 1741, the earliest relative John Cotton died. In his will, he bequeathed enslaved persons to his children. He had at least 5 enslaved people!

https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1b575bb6-cb93-41c9-8186-8672a0d92edb_2592x1280.png

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https://historicly.substack.com/p/tom-cottons-slave-owning-ancestors


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Tom Cotton's Slave-Owning Ancestors (Original Post) Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 OP
I'm surprised his parents didn't name him... hlthe2b Sep 2021 #1
Or Calvin Aviation Pro Sep 2021 #3
The Senator seems to think he's entitled. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #4
So Cotton is taking the "Old South" position that the ends justify the means with regards to slavery Docreed2003 Sep 2021 #6
"to build what we have now" leftieNanner Sep 2021 #7
Exactly! Docreed2003 Sep 2021 #20
US Army had one great ethicist: Lt. Col. Ted Westhusing Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #9
☹️Well, that's terrible electric_blue68 Sep 2021 #12
Oh, brother. Shame on him! (Cotton) electric_blue68 Sep 2021 #11
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Sep 2021 #2
Thanks, malaise! Do you know about Tom Cotton's neocon roots? Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #5
I wish the Dems could have run someone against him last year leftieNanner Sep 2021 #8
The seat was Democratic in 2014 sarisataka Sep 2021 #14
I think the "his ancestors owned slaves" is a really weak charge that doesn't mean anything at all StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #10
Agree. Unfortunately some of my lines did as well. chowder66 Sep 2021 #13
Cotton wants to bring those days back. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #15
"Wanting to bring those days back" doesn't have anything to do with his ancestors StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #16
Great that it doesn't matter to you. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #17
Seriously? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #18
I want people aware of Cotton's family history. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #19
What does his family history matter to the present day? Jedi Guy Sep 2021 #35
If it didn't affect his politics, no problem. But Cotton is a fascist. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #36
And that has what to do with his ancestors owning slaves, exactly? N/T Jedi Guy Sep 2021 #37
Hitler drew inspiration from Amerikkka. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #38
That's nice and all, but you keep dodging my question. Jedi Guy Sep 2021 #39
Because his actions as a politician reflect the mindset of fascist racist slave masters. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #40
"Because his actions as a politician reflect the mindset of fascist racist slave masters." Jedi Guy Sep 2021 #41
And one need not be the descendant of slaveowners to have this mindset StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #42
Are you sure about Cruz? Retrograde Sep 2021 #44
You're right. I was thinking of slavery in the U.S StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #45
It is pretty ridiculous, yes, and it's detrimental to the point being made, in my opinion. Jedi Guy Sep 2021 #47
I wonder how many people who are all over the "Tom Cotton's great-great-great grandfather had slaves StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #48
That'd be an interesting Venn diagram. N/T Jedi Guy Sep 2021 #49
Barack Obama is also a descendant of slave owners Spider Jerusalem Sep 2021 #24
This is a pointless OP... brooklynite Sep 2021 #21
Biden's ancestors owned slaves? Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #22
" New book claims Biden's ancestors owned slaves" brooklynite Sep 2021 #23
Thanks! Thing is, Biden is working to make life better for ALL people. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #25
So the fact that his ancestors owned slaves is irrelevant to his behavior today? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #26
Of course, that's not what I wrote. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #27
Actually, YOU got the last word StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #28
No, there's a difference. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #29
Put down the shovel, climb out of the hole, and walk away. 11 Bravo Sep 2021 #30
So, by me bringing up Cotton's ancestors, I put Putin in a good light? Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #31
Putin? What the fuck are you talking about? 11 Bravo Sep 2021 #32
Other posters brought up different people and families. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #34
That shows they weren't planters iemanja Sep 2021 #51
Who Thinks Slavery Was a "Necessary" Evil? Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #33
How much of Tommy's inherited wealth moondust Sep 2021 #43
I don't think Cotton inherited much wealth StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #46
Don't know about wealth. Seems quite a bit of ideology. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #50

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
4. The Senator seems to think he's entitled.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 01:40 PM
Sep 2021
Hardcore MAGA Soldier Sen. Tom Cotton Suggests Slavery Was A Necessary Evil To Build America For Free

Written by Ann Brown
The Moguldom Nation, Jul 27, 2020

Sen. Tom Cotton, a Republican representing Arkansas, isn’t a fan of the Pulitzer Prize-winning project “The 1619 Project” from the New York Times.

The project, crafted by Nikole Hanna-Jones, reexamines the history of slavery in the U.S. and has stirred up a debate about systemic racism and slavery. Now a year after its first publication, Cotton wants to keep the project out of schools.

The conservative lawmaker proposed a bill last week that seeks to ban schools from adopting the project as a part of their curriculum, the Washington Post reported. “The 1619 Project” is a series of essays, poetry, and fiction focused around slavery, but according to Cotton, the project is fake news.

“As the Founding Fathers said, it (slavery) was the necessary evil upon which the union was built,” Cotton told the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. “The union was built in a way, as Lincoln said, to put slavery on the course to its ultimate extinction.”

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https://moguldom.com/293239/hardcore-maga-soldier-sen-tom-cotton-suggests-slavery-was-a-necessary-evil-to-build-america-for-free/

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
6. So Cotton is taking the "Old South" position that the ends justify the means with regards to slavery
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 01:45 PM
Sep 2021

Not surprising. "Hey sorry we tortured you people for all those years, but don't you see that was necessary to build what we have now?" Smdh

leftieNanner

(15,082 posts)
7. "to build what we have now"
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 02:03 PM
Sep 2021

Of which we will never allow you to have even one tiny slice.

He forgot that part of the sentence in his head.

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
9. US Army had one great ethicist: Lt. Col. Ted Westhusing
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 02:06 PM
Sep 2021

The opposite mindset of Tom Cotton’s “We’ll get there, uh, Mr. Lincoln, by any means necessary.”



At West Point, Lt. Col. Westhusing trained cadets in ethics. In Iraq, he was assigned to train the Iraqi army leadership. Westhusing smelled the money grubbing rat in the war room and spoke up. Soon, just before rotating home, he was dead from “suicide.”

Know your BFEE: They kill good soldiers like Col. Ted Westhusing for profit...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x126094

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
5. Thanks, malaise! Do you know about Tom Cotton's neocon roots?
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 01:43 PM
Sep 2021
Tom Cotton, soldier in Bill Kristol’s proxy war against evil

By Robert Wright
NonZero, Jan 18 2020

Among the things I dislike about each fresh burst of American warmaking is seeing its cheerleaders bask in the spotlight. Consider Senator Tom Cotton, who has been unsettlingly visible since the assassination of Iranian General Qassim Suleimani.

Cotton, a Republican from Arkansas, is a protégé of famous neoconservative Bill Kristol, who played a big role in getting the US to invade Iraq and has since championed various other forms of American belligerence, many of them aimed at Iran. Cotton got elected to the Senate with the help of a million dollars from Kristol’s Emergency Committee for Israel, subsequently hired Kristol’s son Joseph as his legislative director, and has in various other ways settled into a cozy symbiosis with Kristol’s network. The Washington Free Beacon—whose founding editor is Matthew Continetti, Kristol’s son-in-law—highlights Cotton’s exploits so regularly that any given page of its Tom Cotton archives (say, this year’s July-September page) will feature an array of headlines that speak to the vast range of the senator’s expertise. (August 26: “Cotton: Greenland Purchase Would Secure ‘Vital Strategic Interests’.”)

You may, like me, find Cotton hard to take, but there’s virtue in persevering and paying attention to his recent doings. They nicely illustrate some key components of America’s war-starting and war-sustaining machinery—the powerfully primitive worldview that drives it, the dubious logic employed to justify it, and the sleazy tactics that are sometimes used to silence its critics.

Exhibits A and B, from the past 10 days: (1) A New York Times op-ed Cotton wrote, defending the killing of Suleimani; (2) a letter that he and two other senators sent to Trump’s attorney general, requesting an investigation into a group that criticized the killing of Suleimani.

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https://nonzero.org/post/cotton-kristol-proxy-war

“Money trumps peace.” — George w Bush

leftieNanner

(15,082 posts)
8. I wish the Dems could have run someone against him last year
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 02:06 PM
Sep 2021

Not that I would expect a Democratic candidate to win in Arkansas, but it's never a good idea to allow someone to run unopposed.

Apparently, a Dem registered to run and then dropped out right at the registration deadline which precluded someone else from standing up.

sarisataka

(18,600 posts)
14. The seat was Democratic in 2014
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 02:35 PM
Sep 2021

But Mark Pryor made some unpopular votes and the mantra was 'we don't need that kind of Democrat' (since we were going to keep Congressional majorities and the White House ad infinitum)

The loss of a Senate seat was met with a mix of indifference and applause.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
10. I think the "his ancestors owned slaves" is a really weak charge that doesn't mean anything at all
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 02:09 PM
Sep 2021

MY ancestors owned slaves, too - and I'm Black.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
16. "Wanting to bring those days back" doesn't have anything to do with his ancestors
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 02:59 PM
Sep 2021

As I said, my ancestors had slaves, too.

Lots of people come from families that own slaves - that doesn't really have anything to do with how they feel now .

Joe Biden's and Michelle Obama's families owned slaves.

Donald Trump's family did not.

'Nuff said.

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
17. Great that it doesn't matter to you.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 03:06 PM
Sep 2021

Trump, Cotton and their cohorts want to impose all manner of evil on humanity.

If you don’t see that, that’s your problem.

When you want me not to talk about it, then it becomes my problem.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
18. Seriously?
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 03:09 PM
Sep 2021

I don't care what Cotton's ancestors did. I care about what he's doing now. Which is why I'm not wasting my time or energy making a big deal about What his ancestors did, especially when It's a silly distraction That means nothing.

And spare me the silly "you don't want me to talk about something" response to having your opinion challenged. You can talk about whatever you please. But if you talk about it on a public discussion board, you can expect people to respond to it and not always in agreement..

Jedi Guy

(3,185 posts)
35. What does his family history matter to the present day?
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 07:27 PM
Sep 2021

Is he responsible for what his family did centuries ago? Is anyone in the present responsible for the sins of any of their ancestors? If so, then we're all guilty of something because no family is 100% pure.

I agree with StarfishSaver, bringing up his family's history is senseless and meaningless. What's the objective in doing so? What does people being aware of his family's history accomplish? Nothing.

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
36. If it didn't affect his politics, no problem. But Cotton is a fascist.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 07:46 PM
Sep 2021

Read what he wrote in The New York Times:

Send In the Troops

The nation must restore order. The military stands ready.


Tom Cotton
The New York Times, June 3, 2020

This week, rioters have plunged many American cities into anarchy, recalling the widespread violence of the 1960s.

New York City suffered the worst of the riots Monday night, as Mayor Bill de Blasio stood by while Midtown Manhattan descended into lawlessness. Bands of looters roved the streets, smashing and emptying hundreds of businesses. Some even drove exotic cars; the riots were carnivals for the thrill-seeking rich as well as other criminal elements.

Outnumbered police officers, encumbered by feckless politicians, bore the brunt of the violence. In New York State, rioters ran over officers with cars on at least three occasions. In Las Vegas, an officer is in "grave" condition after being shot in the head by a rioter. In St. Louis, four police officers were shot as they attempted to disperse a mob throwing bricks and dumping gasoline; in a separate incident, a 77-year-old retired police captain was shot to death as he tried to stop looters from ransacking a pawnshop. This is "somebody's granddaddy," a bystander screamed at the scene.

Some elites have excused this orgy of violence in the spirit of radical chic, calling it an understandable response to the wrongful death of George Floyd. Those excuses are built on a revolting moral equivalence of rioters and looters to peaceful, law-abiding protesters. A majority who seek to protest peacefully shouldn't be confused with bands of miscreants.

But the rioting has nothing to do with George Floyd, whose bereaved relatives have condemned violence. On the contrary, nihilist criminals are simply out for loot and the thrill of destruction, with cadres of left-wing radicals like antifa infiltrating protest marches to exploit Floyd's death for their own anarchic purposes.

These rioters, if not subdued, not only will destroy the livelihoods of law-abiding citizens but will also take more innocent lives. Many poor communities that still bear scars from past upheavals will be set back still further.

One thing above all else will restore order to our streets: an overwhelming show of force to disperse, detain and ultimately deter lawbreakers. But local law enforcement in some cities desperately needs backup, while delusional politicians in other cities refuse to do what's necessary to uphold the rule of law.

The pace of looting and disorder may fluctuate from night to night, but it's past time to support local law enforcement with federal authority. Some governors have mobilized the National Guard, yet others refuse, and in some cases the rioters still outnumber the police and Guard combined. In these circumstances, the Insurrection Act authorizes the president to employ the military "or any other means" in "cases of insurrection, or obstruction to the laws."

This venerable law, nearly as old as our republic itself, doesn't amount to "martial law" or the end of democracy, as some excitable critics, ignorant of both the law and our history, have comically suggested. In fact, the federal government has a constitutional duty to the states to "protect each of them from domestic violence." Throughout our history, presidents have exercised this authority on dozens of occasions to protect law-abiding citizens from disorder. Nor does it violate the Posse Comitatus Act, which constrains the military's role in law enforcement but expressly excepts statutes such as the Insurrection Act.

For instance, during the 1950s and 1960s, Presidents Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson called out the military to disperse mobs that prevented school desegregation or threatened innocent lives and property. This happened in my own state. Gov. Orval Faubus, a racist Democrat, mobilized our National Guard in 1957 to obstruct desegregation at Little Rock Central High School. President Eisenhower federalized the Guard and called in the 101st Airborne in response. The failure to do so, he said, "would be tantamount to acquiescence in anarchy."

More recently, President George H.W. Bush ordered the Army's Seventh Infantry and 1,500 Marines to protect Los Angeles during race riots in 1992. He acknowledged his disgust at Rodney King's treatment - "what I saw made me sick" - but he knew deadly rioting would only multiply the victims, of all races and from all walks of life.

Not surprisingly, public opinion is on the side of law enforcement and law and order, not insurrectionists. According to a recent poll, 58 percent of registered voters, including nearly half of Democrats and 37 percent of African-Americans, would support cities' calling in the military to "address protests and demonstrations" that are in "response to the death of George Floyd." That opinion may not appear often in chic salons, but widespread support for it is fact nonetheless.

The American people aren't blind to injustices in our society, but they know that the most basic responsibility of government is to maintain public order and safety. In normal times, local law enforcement can uphold public order. But in rare moments, like ours today, more is needed, even if many politicians prefer to wring their hands while the country burns.

Text Source:

https://www.cotton.senate.gov/news/press-releases/send-in-the-troops

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
38. Hitler drew inspiration from Amerikkka.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 08:54 PM
Sep 2021
How American Racism Influenced Hitler

Scholars are mapping the international precursors of Nazism.


By Alex Ross
The New Yorker, April 23, 2018

Excerpt…

The Nazis were not wrong to cite American precedents. Enslavement of African-Americans was written into the U.S. Constitution. Thomas Jefferson spoke of the need to “eliminate” or “extirpate” Native Americans. In 1856, an Oregonian settler wrote, “Extermination, however unchristianlike it may appear, seems to be the only resort left for the protection of life and property.” General Philip Sheridan spoke of “annihilation, obliteration, and complete destruction.” To be sure, others promoted more peaceful—albeit still repressive—policies. The historian Edward B. Westermann, in “Hitler’s Ostkrieg and the Indian Wars” (Oklahoma), concludes that, because federal policy never officially mandated the “physical annihilation of the Native populations on racial grounds or characteristics,” this was not a genocide on the order of the Shoah. The fact remains that between 1500 and 1900 the Native population of U.S. territories dropped from many millions to around two hundred thousand.

America’s knack for maintaining an air of robust innocence in the wake of mass death struck Hitler as an example to be emulated. He made frequent mention of the American West in the early months of the Soviet invasion. The Volga would be “our Mississippi,” he said. “Europe—and not America—will be the land of unlimited possibilities.” Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine would be populated by pioneer farmer-soldier families. Autobahns would cut through fields of grain. The present occupants of those lands—tens of millions of them—would be starved to death. At the same time, and with no sense of contradiction, the Nazis partook of a long-standing German romanticization of Native Americans. One of Goebbels’s less propitious schemes was to confer honorary Aryan status on Native American tribes, in the hope that they would rise up against their oppressors.

Jim Crow laws in the American South served as a precedent in a stricter legal sense. Scholars have long been aware that Hitler’s regime expressed admiration for American race law, but they have tended to see this as a public-relations strategy—an “everybody does it” justification for Nazi policies. Whitman, however, points out that if these comparisons had been intended solely for a foreign audience they would not have been buried in hefty tomes in Fraktur type. “Race Law in the United States,” a 1936 study by the German lawyer Heinrich Krieger, attempts to sort out inconsistencies in the legal status of nonwhite Americans. Krieger concludes that the entire apparatus is hopelessly opaque, concealing racist aims behind contorted justifications. Why not simply say what one means? This was a major difference between American and German racism.

American eugenicists made no secret of their racist objectives, and their views were prevalent enough that F. Scott Fitzgerald featured them in “The Great Gatsby.” (The cloddish Tom Buchanan, having evidently read Lothrop Stoddard’s 1920 tract “The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy,” says, “The idea is if we don’t look out the white race will be—will be utterly submerged.”) California’s sterilization program directly inspired the Nazi sterilization law of 1934. There are also sinister, if mostly coincidental, similarities between American and German technologies of death. In 1924, the first execution by gas chamber took place, in Nevada. In a history of the American gas chamber, Scott Christianson states that the fumigating agent Zyklon-B, which was licensed to American Cyanamid by the German company I. G. Farben, was considered as a lethal agent but found to be impractical. Zyklon-B was, however, used to disinfect immigrants as they crossed the border at El Paso—a practice that did not go unnoticed by Gerhard Peters, the chemist who supplied a modified version of Zyklon-B to Auschwitz. Later, American gas chambers were outfitted with a chute down which poison pellets were dropped. Earl Liston, the inventor of the device, explained, “Pulling a lever to kill a man is hard work. Pouring acid down a tube is easier on the nerves, more like watering flowers.” Much the same method was introduced at Auschwitz, to relieve stress on S.S. guards.

When Hitler praised American restrictions on naturalization, he had in mind the Immigration Act of 1924, which imposed national quotas and barred most Asian people altogether. For Nazi observers, this was evidence that America was evolving in the right direction, despite its specious rhetoric about equality. The Immigration Act, too, played a facilitating role in the Holocaust, because the quotas prevented thousands of Jews, including Anne Frank and her family, from reaching America. In 1938, President Roosevelt called for an international conference on the plight of European refugees; this was held in Évian-les-Bains, France, but no substantive change resulted. The German Foreign Office, in a sardonic reply, found it “astounding” that other countries would decry Germany’s treatment of Jews and then decline to admit them.

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https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler

Jedi Guy

(3,185 posts)
39. That's nice and all, but you keep dodging my question.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 09:00 PM
Sep 2021

It's a very simple question, yet you seem to be unable to answer it. Why does it matter that Tom Cotton's family (or anyone's family, for that matter) owned slaves? What relevance does that have to the present day?

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
40. Because his actions as a politician reflect the mindset of fascist racist slave masters.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 09:09 PM
Sep 2021

I don’t like fascist racist slave masters. And I don’t understand people who defend them.

Jedi Guy

(3,185 posts)
41. "Because his actions as a politician reflect the mindset of fascist racist slave masters."
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 09:35 PM
Sep 2021

Hooray, we finally got there! It took a few posts, but we got there. Not liking a person because of their actions/words is completely reasonable. Not liking a person because their family did something a couple hundred years ago is, quite simply, silliness.

And I don’t understand people who defend them.


Who is defending Tom Cotton?
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
42. And one need not be the descendant of slaveowners to have this mindset
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 10:10 PM
Sep 2021

Nor does one need to have a family history free and clear of slaveowners to NOT have this mindset.

Example:
Tom Cotton - fascist racist - descended from slaveowners
Joe Biden - not a fascist racist - descended from slaveowners
Donald Trump - fascist racist - not descended from slaveowners
Michelle Obama - not a fascist racist - descended from slaveowners
Bernie Sanders - not a fascist racist - not descended from slaveowners
Ted Cruz - fascist racist - not descended from slaveowners
Martin Luther King - not a fascist racist - descended from slaveowners
Nancy Pelosi - not a fascist racist - not descended from slaveowners
Stephen Miller - fascist racist - not descended from slaveowners

You know what the fascist racists have in common? Being fascist racists. What they DON'T have in common is slaveowning in their family history.

The same goes for the not fascist racists whose common denominator is not being fascist racists, despite some having slaveowner ancestors.

Given this, the insistence that Cotton's ancestors slaveowning history is somehow relevant to his fascist racist mindset is just ridiculous.

Retrograde

(10,133 posts)
44. Are you sure about Cruz?
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 11:21 PM
Sep 2021

His father was Cuban, and slavery in Cuba lasted longer than it did in the US. I haven't seen anything about his ancestors one way or another.

But Ted Cruz is still a fascist racist, whatever his ancestors did.

Jedi Guy

(3,185 posts)
47. It is pretty ridiculous, yes, and it's detrimental to the point being made, in my opinion.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 11:33 PM
Sep 2021

Criticizing someone for their family history from generations ago is a low blow, since they have no control over that. You may as well criticize me for having blue eyes, or my wife for being a redhead. It's simply happenstance, nothing more.

Both sides of my family are originally from Germany. For all I know, the branches that didn't come to the States in the early 20th century may have fought for the Third Reich. Even if true, it has nothing to do with me, nor would I feel shame over it if someone learned of it and brought it up.

Criticizing someone for their own shitty views, as you rightly point out, is absolutely fair game. Tom Cotton and his fellow travelers hold shitty views, so they deserve whatever criticism they get.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
48. I wonder how many people who are all over the "Tom Cotton's great-great-great grandfather had slaves
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 11:36 PM
Sep 2021

are among the first to scream in protest when anyone brings up their white privilege ...

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
24. Barack Obama is also a descendant of slave owners
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 03:34 PM
Sep 2021
According to the research, one of Obama's great-great-great-great grandfathers, George Washington Overall, owned two slaves who were recorded in the 1850 census in Nelson County, Ky. The same records show that one of Obama's great-great-great-great-great-grandmothers, Mary Duvall, also owned two slaves.

(snip)

The research traces the Duvalls to Mareen Duvall, a major land owner in Anne Arundel County in the 1600s. The inventory of his estate in 1694 names 18 slaves, according to a family history published in 1952.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obama02mar02-story.html


Mary Duvall, above, was born Mary Grable; she was the sister of Samuel Grable, who married my 4th great-aunt Rebecca Bridwell; Mareen Duvall is my 8th great-grandfather and Obama is my 10th cousin.

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
21. This is a pointless OP...
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 03:21 PM
Sep 2021

it’s an idiotic comment based on nothing. Plenty of people who’s ancestors owned slaves support a more responsible history program (see Joe Biden). Plenty of people who’s ancestors didn’t own slaves don’t support a more responsible history program.

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
22. Biden's ancestors owned slaves?
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 03:27 PM
Sep 2021

Did not know that.

Just learned today Cotton’s did. Thought I’d share, seeing how Cotton and so many in the USA’s conservative movement are working to turn back the clock and the law to a time where “White makes Right.”

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
23. " New book claims Biden's ancestors owned slaves"
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 03:32 PM
Sep 2021
According to a bombshell new book, three of the president’s great grandfathers owned slaves and he has a family link to Confederate President Jefferson Davis.

Joe Biden plays up his Irish heritage but another side of his linage is less talked about, and a new book claims the president had slave owners in his family.

According to The Bidens: Inside the First Family’s Fifty-Year Rise to Power by Ben Schreckinger, President Biden’s great great great grandfather was Jesse Robinett, who owned two slaves in Maryland, according to the 1850 US federal census.

Another great great great grandfather, Thomas Randle, reportedly owned a 14-year-old slave in Baltimore County. Research also found that Mr Biden shares distant ties to Varina Anne Banks Howell, the wife of Confederate President Jefferson Davis.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/biden-ancestors-owned-slaves-book-b1919928.html

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
25. Thanks! Thing is, Biden is working to make life better for ALL people.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 03:37 PM
Sep 2021

Cotton and the GOP, no. They are working to empower, politically and economically, White US citizens of European ancestry.

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
27. Of course, that's not what I wrote.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 03:52 PM
Sep 2021

Going by their actions, rhetoric and policies, I believe it’s clear that Cotton and the conservatives would turn the clock back to a time when Whites have a monopoly on power.

Going by what Trump has said and done, I fear Cotton and his supporters would like to destroy the Constitution and replace it with the Fourth Reich.

But whatever. Gotta get the last word in, huh?

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
28. Actually, YOU got the last word
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 04:16 PM
Sep 2021

Which is great since you proved my point when you said you're basing your belief that they're trying to "turn back the clock" is based on your assessment of their "actions, rhetoric and policies" - without a mention of whether their ancestors owned slaves.

Your words, not mine, so you did indeed get the last word on this.

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
29. No, there's a difference.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 04:26 PM
Sep 2021

I wrote to bring up Cotton’s work to bring back White Supremacy.

You and others brought up Biden and Obama.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
30. Put down the shovel, climb out of the hole, and walk away.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 06:15 PM
Sep 2021

Cotton is a white supremacist asshole who would like to see people of color completely disenfranchised. He would be one regardless of his ancestry, and you could have "brought it up" without invoking his shithead forebears.
But if the simple fact that numerous progressive politicians also have a few skeletons in the family closet does not make it clear to you that this is not a valid course of attack, then knock yourself out.

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
31. So, by me bringing up Cotton's ancestors, I put Putin in a good light?
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 06:49 PM
Sep 2021

Other than Cotton, I never mentioned anything about anybody. So there’s that.

As for the White Supremacist backgrounds of all the various people in the present day: I judge people by how they treat other people. That’s why I brought Cotton up to begin with. He and his Confederates would not only install the Antebellum South, he’d apply all the resources at his disposal to institute the Fourth Reich.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
32. Putin? What the fuck are you talking about?
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 07:03 PM
Sep 2021

On second thought, never mind.
Cotton is a shitweasel, but not because of his ancestors. I'll leave it at that.

If you need the last word, it's all yours. (But please, try not to invoke Hitler, Mao, or Pol Pot.)

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
34. Other posters brought up different people and families.
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 07:12 PM
Sep 2021

I posted about Tom Cotton. Once I posted about the Bushes and slavery:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10026954410#post5

Small world.

iemanja

(53,031 posts)
51. That shows they weren't planters
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 06:06 PM
Sep 2021

who owner large numbers of slaves.

A planter is defined by owning 20 or more slaves, though the most well-known planters owned many more.

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
33. Who Thinks Slavery Was a "Necessary" Evil?
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 07:03 PM
Sep 2021
Tom Cotton Thinks Slavery Was a “Necessary” Evil.

By calling slavery necessary, Cotton was following in the banal footsteps of apologists for all of history’s worst acts.

Jon Schwarz
The Intercept, July 27 2020

IN AN INTERVIEW published on Sunday, Arkansas Republican Sen. Tom Cotton declared that “We have to study the history of slavery and its role and impact on the development of our country because otherwise we can’t understand our country. As the Founding Fathers said, it was the necessary evil upon which the union was built.”

What Cotton did not say is that the defenders of hideous acts almost always engage in this rhetorical tic, using that exact word: “necessary.

Here are several notable examples:

• From 1986 to 1989, Saddam Hussein’s government conducted what it called the “Anfal” campaign against Kurdish Iraqi citizens in northern Iraq. In addition to firing squads and mass conventional bombings, the Iraqi military used mustard and nerve gas against civilians. Perhaps 150,000 people were murdered.

Snip…

Before Hussein’s execution, he was interrogated by FBI agent George Piro, who showed him documentary evidence of his crimes, including famous photographs of victims of the Anfal campaign. This is what Piro later said on “60 Minutes” about Hussein’s perspective on Anfal:

SCOTT PELLEY: Did you show him pictures from the Anfal campaign, those terrible, terrible pictures?

GEORGE PIRO: Yes, I did.

PELLEY: And his reaction?

PIRO: Necessary.


• Beginning in 1915, the Ottoman Empire killed about 1.5 million ethnic Armenians. At that time, the Ottoman Empire was governed by the so-called Young Turks and their associated party, the Committee of Union and Progress. Just before the killing began, a key figure in the impending genocide named Nazim Bey delivered a speech at a CUP meeting. “It is absolutely necessary to eliminate the Armenian people in its entirety,” he explained. “It is necessary that not even one single Armenian survive this annihilation.”

• Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Germany’s minister of propaganda, delivered his most famous speech in February 1943, as the Holocaust was well underway. “Enemy nations may raise hypocritical protests against our measures against Jewry and cry crocodile tears, but that will not stop us from doing that which is necessary,” Goebbels said to wild applause. “Germany, in any event, has no intention of bowing before this threat, but rather intends to take the most radical measures, if necessary.

Continues…

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/27/tom-cotton-slavery-necessary-evil/

Cotton introduced legislation to limit what we teach about slavery. And that’s why shining a light on Tom Cotton is so, what’s the word? Necessary.
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
46. I don't think Cotton inherited much wealth
Tue Sep 28, 2021, 11:32 PM
Sep 2021

His parents were middle class - and also Democrats who were big supporters of Bill Clinton.

His family must be so proud of him.

But if he did benefit from generational wealth as a result of his family's slave ownership, he wouldn't be much different than millions and millions of people who enjoy all manner of privileges as a result of their ancestry.

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
50. Don't know about wealth. Seems quite a bit of ideology.
Wed Sep 29, 2021, 11:59 AM
Sep 2021
Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton Is Not a Racist. He Just Plays One in Real Life

ByStephen A. Crockett Jr.
The Root, 7/27/20

Excerpt…

In Tom Cotton’s world, Black Lives Matter protesters could be shot and killed even when surrendering. In a since-deleted tweet from Cotton, he called for the U.S. to deploy “the 10th Mountain, 82nd Airborne, 1st Cav, 3rd Infantry—whatever it takes to restore order. No quarter for insurrectionists, anarchists, rioters, and looters.”

Many took issue with the use of the phrase “No quarter”—which is “a war crime” that “would, if carried out, be murder under American law”—being used by an American senator against Americans. But Cotton didn’t give a shit. After Twitter contacted him to remove the tweet, Cotton and his staff argued to leave the tweet as is and include an additional tweet explaining their position on “no quarter” but Twitter insisted he take the shit down.

“My aide tried to reason with the employee. We offered to post a new tweet clarifying my meaning—which I did anyway—but the employee refused, insisting I had to delete the original tweet because some snowflakes had retweeted it,” Cotton wrote in a Fox News op-ed.

Continues…

https://www.theroot.com/arkansas-sen-tom-cotton-is-not-a-racist-he-just-plays-1844517339
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