It Democrats lose big in 2022

[USAFRetired_Liberal]

Everyone is going to blame Biden and they will also blame progressives. We will hear from the media, Republicans, and Democrats like Sinema and Manchin that Americans didn’t want the liberal socialist agenda. But in reality it will because the Democrats didn’t go big and pass their agenda….this article is good article that points that out

This reminds me of the early years of the Obama administration when we were dealing with Blanche Lincoln and bill Nelson…and letting them water down the health care and stimulus bills.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/28/manchin-sinema-progressives-reconciliation/

[StarfishSaver]

1. And if they win big in 2022, everyone will forget about all of these "if Democrats lose" lamentation

and, in fact, they'll pretend that was never even a thing ...

[NYC Liberal]

15. Whether they win or lose, we'll move on to predictions of doom for 2024.

[StarfishSaver]

17. Yup

[Bettie]

18. Actually, if they win big

we will hear that they would have won even more if not for those pesky progressives.

That's how it always goes.

[StarfishSaver]

19. "Does the Democrats' big mid-term win spell doom for them in 2024?"

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[Bettie]

21. That will be the through line of the media

definitely.

For Republicans, losses mean that they will win it all!

For Democrats, wins mean that they are on the verge of losing it all.

It is maddening and frustrating.

[StarfishSaver]

26. I know!

[walkingman]

2. America is a liberal country but getting something passed in Congress

has nothing to do with what the public wants. How can you pass something when we have people in our own party that will not support it. How? Wishing doesn't work.

Do you honestly believe that any Rethugs will vote against their party based upon Dems actions or inactions?

Bottom Line - we have to win more seats in Congress and it ain't easy.

[USAFRetired_Liberal]

4. And the way to win more seats

Is to pass major legislation that shows that our way works.

[Mad_Machine76]

38. If we can of course

but we have to explain to our voters (somehow) that they need to keep showing up and voting more Democrats in and not slack in the midterms. Republicans keep voting Republican every single election and that's (a big part) of why they control so much. And Republican voters don't freak out and take their ball and go home (usually) when Republicans fail to do what they campaign on. They just keep voting for them anyway. We need our voters to do the same. Just keep fighting and electing Democrats and hopefully eventually we will get what we want. But we're not going anywhere if we keep failing to show up consistently every single election from bottom to top.

[stillcool]

3. we'll be lucky if we are still a country

in 2022. What's up with needing to blame someone for something that hasn't happened? Must be a television show thing.

[uponit7771]

5. Nope, Only 64% of democrats believe Voter Suppression is a problem (link) ... they'll be the scape

... goat but it's complacency that will be the blame.

[Omnipresent]

6. How can we lose...

When Republicans are trying to obstruct everything, that a majority of Americans want?
Republicans have to prove they can actually
fix something. I don’t know about you, but they haven’t offered up anything that helps the changing dynamics of this nation.

Republican ideology is outdated.

[USAFRetired_Liberal]

8. This was their same strategy right before the 2010 elections

And unfortunately the American public rewarded them then

[underpants]

11. That's not what the media will sell

They need two horses in the race or ratings drop. They’ve been keeping the GOP alive since 2006.

[USAFRetired_Liberal]

16. Actually

Since 1992

[Drunken Irishman]

20. Because Americans blame the party in power. Full stop.

They may initially blame Republicans but when the crisis doesn't correct itself by November, 2022, and realistically, if we default, it won't, incumbents are going to be on the chopping block - especially the party in power.

They will blame the Democrats.

The Republicans have an easy talking point: The Democrats held the two major branches of the government. Look what happened.

The Democrats can try to muddle that message by pointing to the Republicans' obstruction but it will inevitably fall on deaf ears because, at the end of the day, Americans vote on emotion and not logic.

Emotion is a big reason we got Trump. Truth be told, it's also a big reason we got Biden, too, because enough people were exhausted by his leadership style to throw him out despite most world leaders actually holding onto power during the pandemic.

We saw this in 2018 too as the conditions were actually beneficial for the Republicans (a strong economy, relative peace) but Americans were angry and voted with that anger.

It's very unlikely that anger will help the Democrats as the party in power. It almost never does. The only time I think it did benefit the Democrats was in 1998 when the Republicans impeached Clinton. But that was such an overreach, and completely one-sided, that there wasn't any hiding for the Republicans.

Even still, the damage to the GOP that year was not significant. They still held onto the House and the Senate.

If this country defaults, and the economy goes into the toilet, I guarantee you the Democrats are going to lose massively in 2022 and very possibly will lose in 2024 as well.

Why? Because again, Americans vote on emotion and it's easier to tap into emotion when you're the insurgent party: see 2006, 2008, 2010, 2014, 2016 and 2020. Every single one of those elections benefited the outside party, either at the congressional level or the presidential.

[Hoyt]

22. Excellent explanation of what "concerns" me. Not worried about trump, he's gone.

But there are plenty of similarly bad GOPers that might get a little edge for the reasons in your post. Doesn’t have to happen, but keeps me buying bourbon.

[Drunken Irishman]

31. I still think a deal is reached.

But that might just be my naivety since it's happened literally every single time.

[Omnipresent]

37. Well said!

[CrackityJones75]

7. Why post this?

[Martin68]

9. If we lose big in 2022, we better start re-thinking our entire strategy.

Maybe we should do the before we lose big in 2022.

[USAFRetired_Liberal]

10. I have been following politics since I have been in middle school

And what’s been happening is a repeat of what happened under both Clinton and Obama in their first 2 years ….infighting amongst ourselves (usually a couple stubborn Democratic senators holding up everything), while Republicans sit back and oppose everything…only to either pass mediocre watered down legislation or nothing at all, only for Republicans to blame us for not getting anything done…while the ignorant American voter says “oh yeah, the democrats are in charge.::let’s vote them out”

[Mad_Machine76]

27. I've been following politics since Clinton

And this is exactly what I’ve observed too. It’s maddening

[USAFRetired_Liberal]

29. Yeah

Don’t know why others on here don’t get it…if we don’t understand history, we are doomed to repeat it

[Omnipresent]

12. By now, we should have learned from our past mistakes, right?....

Right?

[USAFRetired_Liberal]

14. Thank you

Finally someone who gets it…read my post right above yours.

[Lovie777]

13. OMG . ..

We will not.

[brush]

23. If it happens there are two main culprits only...Manchin and Sinema.

People can tiptoe around that all day and yell "Dems in disarray" in columns, on cable news, on the internet and wherever else, but the fact remains that if those two had gotten on board with the President's agenda both infrastructure bills could've already been passed and in effect weeks ago. Period.

[USAFRetired_Liberal]

25. I agree

The point of my OP and the embedded article was pointing out those two should get blamed, but the talking heads won’t do it.

[Amishman]

35. its a lot more than that, the whole party will deserve blame

We have Bernie urging House progressives to play hardball, we have Sinema and Manchin doing their thing, and we have party leadership failing to keep the two wings of the party under control.

All of the factions within our party need to swallow some pride and stop trying to play hardball to push their specific views, and accept that passing something that is only 70% of what they want is better than failing to pass anything at all.

We control congress by the narrowest of margins, passing dramatic change is controversial, and we simply do not have the numbers to do it.

At a previous job they were crippled by perfectionism and analysis paralysis, so one manager started preaching the phrase 'good is good enough' to push people to do what the could and move on just to actually accomplish anything. Its a lesson that seems particularly applicable right now in Washington.

[brush]

36. That's all well and good but if those two had agreed months ago to support the President's agenda...

the two bills would be law by now and jobs and benefits from both would be flowing to Americans all over the nation.

Place the blame where it's due.

[moondust]

24. Conventional thinking

about the "party out of power has a big advantage" may no longer apply in the era of the out-of-power GQP degenerating into a ridiculous cult.

[USAFRetired_Liberal]

28. And the Democrats should use that to their advantage

One thing that republicans have been doing for 30 years is creating the Democratic “boogeyman” and tying all Democrats in every state and at all levels of government to them….that’s a strategy that the Democrats should utilize, make Republicans from swing districts answer for the likes of Green and Boebert…and make sure voters know that those crazies would be committee chairs if republicans took over

[moondust]

30. +1

[USAFRetired_Liberal]

32. Thanks

This strategy seems so simple to me, but I don’t understand why this doesn’t resonate…we let Republicans characterize every Democrat running for office as a liberal socialist taking orders from you pick the boogeyman Clinton, Obama, Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Hillary, AOC, etc….while we don’t utilize the same strategy…..I live in Texas (in between San Antonio and Austin) where I was getting bombarded by campaign commercials from two competitive house races….you would have thought that Pelosi and AOC were the Democratic challengers based on how much they were featured in commercials

[moondust]

33. Times have changed.

(Which was my original point.) Democrats have usually campaigned on issues important to voters rather than stooping to GQP-style smear campaigns. But now that the GQP has become a wacky cult it's not just smearing to point out the clear and present dangers they embody.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215904620

[Patton French]

34. I'd rather plan on winning big..

,, makes more sense to me.