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Nevilledog

(51,060 posts)
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 08:07 PM Sep 2021

A Secret State Department Report Says Microwaves Didn't Cause "Havana Syndrome"



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A secret document shows that the US government basically knows that "Havana Syndrome" is a mass psychogenic illness. Some of the reported symptoms are likely crickets chirping

A Secret State Department Report Says Microwaves Didn’t Cause “Havana Syndrome”
A declassified State Department report obtained by BuzzFeed News dismissed the theory that microwave weapons are behind the mysterious neurological injuries in diplomats worldwide.
buzzfeednews.com
10:13 AM · Sep 30, 2021


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/havana-syndrome-jason-crickets


Noises linked to mysterious injuries among US diplomats in Cuba were most likely caused by crickets — not microwave weapons — according to a declassified scientific review commissioned by the US State Department and obtained by BuzzFeed News.

The State Department report was written by the JASON advisory group, an elite scientific board that has reviewed US national security concerns since the Cold War. It was completed in November of 2018, two years after dozens of US diplomats in Cuba and their families reported hearing buzzing noises and then experiencing puzzling neurological injuries, including pain, vertigo, and difficulty concentrating.

The report, obtained by BuzzFeed News via a Freedom of Information Act request, was originally classified as “secret.” It concluded that the sounds accompanying at least eight of the original 21 Havana syndrome incidents were “most likely” caused by insects. That same scientific review also judged it “highly unlikely” that microwaves or ultrasound beams — now widely proposed by US government officials to explain the injuries — were involved in the incidents. And though the report didn’t definitively conclude what caused the injuries themselves, it found that “psychogenic” mass psychology effects may have played a role.

“No plausible single source of energy (neither radio/microwaves nor sonic) can produce both the recorded audio/video signals and the reported medical effects,” the JASON report concluded. “We believe the recorded sounds are mechanical or biological in origin, rather than electronic. The most likely source is the Indies short-tailed cricket.”

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A Secret State Department Report Says Microwaves Didn't Cause "Havana Syndrome" (Original Post) Nevilledog Sep 2021 OP
Bullshit. canuckledragger Sep 2021 #1
See my post #15 Crickets were the symptom, not the cause nt csziggy Oct 2021 #16
So Let Me Get This Straight Me. Sep 2021 #2
Not very convincing Red Mountain Sep 2021 #3
I'm as cynical as they come, but the claim of Havana Syndrome has been cracking my shit up. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #4
How many different countries has it supposedly occurred in now? bluewater Sep 2021 #5
The more countries it "happens" in, the less I believe it's a thing. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #6
Exactly. bluewater Sep 2021 #7
Ah I missed your point. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #8
Cheers! bluewater Sep 2021 #9
" Mass Psychogenic Illness" marybourg Sep 2021 #10
If you want, I can post a report Igel Sep 2021 #11
Either the injuries are real or they're not. LudwigPastorius Sep 2021 #12
Mass Hysteria! twin_ghost Sep 2021 #13
"And though the report didn't definitively conclude what caused the injuries themselves" kcr Oct 2021 #14
They are NOT saying the cause is crickets - some of the "symptoms" may be crickets csziggy Oct 2021 #15
Just before a thunderstorm here, the birds get very loud then dead silent Arazi Oct 2021 #17

Me.

(35,454 posts)
2. So Let Me Get This Straight
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 08:27 PM
Sep 2021

a group of people not really associated with each other in different parts of the world (because as I remember it, it wasn't just Cuba) "experience a mass psychogenic illness" which is when people in a group start feeling sick at the same time even though there is no physical or environmental reason for them to be sick. They could think they've been exposed to something dangerous, like a germ or a toxin (poison)"

Basically, it's all in their minds.


bluewater

(5,376 posts)
5. How many different countries has it supposedly occurred in now?
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 08:39 PM
Sep 2021

ELEVEN.

Where have Americans experienced Havana syndrome?

The phenomenon that began in Havana has been reported by officials and their families stationed in Russia, Poland, Austria, Georgia, Taiwan, Colombia, China, Kyrgyzstan, the United Kingdom, and Uzbekistan.


Add in Cuba to those 10 above for a total of eleven countries.

marybourg

(12,607 posts)
10. " Mass Psychogenic Illness"
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 09:12 PM
Sep 2021

Like people thinking tRump was qualified to be President. And that horse deworming paste is better than a licensed vaccine?

Igel

(35,293 posts)
11. If you want, I can post a report
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 10:06 PM
Sep 2021

saying that SARS-COVID-19 can't be transmitted person-to-person and therefore masking and travel bans are completely unnecessary, if not improper.

Fallow the science.

LudwigPastorius

(9,126 posts)
12. Either the injuries are real or they're not.
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 10:56 PM
Sep 2021

I don't believe a "psychogenic" illness could cause quantifiable brain damage.

twin_ghost

(435 posts)
13. Mass Hysteria!
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 11:44 PM
Sep 2021

People will blame something unseen or unrelated to their illness. There are no secret microwaves attacking State department personal and there is no government plan to use COVID-19 vaccine to kill people. Occam's Razor.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
14. "And though the report didn't definitively conclude what caused the injuries themselves"
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 10:51 AM
Oct 2021

They don't know what the cause is. I love how the same people who are lauding this report's claim that it couldn't be microwave or ultrasound beams somehow have no problem with the claim that it's crickets.

csziggy

(34,135 posts)
15. They are NOT saying the cause is crickets - some of the "symptoms" may be crickets
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 12:17 PM
Oct 2021
A Declassified State Department Report Says Microwaves Didn’t Cause “Havana Syndrome”
Dan Vergano BuzzFeed News Reporter
Last updated on September 30, 2021, at 5:24 p.m. ET
Posted on September 30, 2021, at 12:30 p.m. ET

>>>>>>>>>

The State Department report was written by the JASON advisory group, an elite scientific board that has reviewed US national security concerns since the Cold War. It was completed in November of 2018, two years after dozens of US diplomats in Cuba and their families reported hearing buzzing noises and then experiencing puzzling neurological injuries, including pain, vertigo, and difficulty concentrating.

The report, obtained by BuzzFeed News via a Freedom of Information Act request, was originally classified as “secret.” It concluded that the sounds accompanying at least eight of the original 21 Havana syndrome incidents were “most likely” caused by insects. That same scientific review also judged it “highly unlikely” that microwaves or ultrasound beams — now widely proposed by US government officials to explain the injuries — were involved in the incidents. And though the report didn’t definitively conclude what caused the injuries themselves, it found that “psychogenic” mass psychology effects may have played a role.

“No plausible single source of energy (neither radio/microwaves nor sonic) can produce both the recorded audio/video signals and the reported medical effects,” the JASON report concluded. “We believe the recorded sounds are mechanical or biological in origin, rather than electronic. The most likely source is the Indies short-tailed cricket.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>

The JASON report provided a far less elaborate explanation. The team was given eight recordings of incidents linked to injuries and performed an extensive analysis of two cellphone video recordings from one patient. After extensive comparison with recordings of various insect species, they concluded with “high confidence” that the sounds in that case came from a particularly loud species of cricket, Anurogryllis celerinictus. (Two academic researchers who ran a similar analysis in 2019 using a recording provided by the Associated Press also concluded that the sound was caused by crickets.) The JASON scientists offered another “low confidence” theory that the sounds could have been caused by a nearby concrete vibrating machine with worn bearings.

More: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/havana-syndrome-jason-crickets

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
17. Just before a thunderstorm here, the birds get very loud then dead silent
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 01:09 PM
Oct 2021

With the changing barometric pressure, many animals react strongly.

I 100% believe the crickets were reacting to whatever injured these folks.

And they are Injured. There is quantifiable brain injury. Not sure how this squares with a psychogenic episode.

Their profiles don't match people who are prone to hysteria either imo. In some cases these are CIA intelligence pros with decades of experience combating psy-ops

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