Majority of Trump voters believe it's 'time to split the country' in two, new poll finds

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

A majority of people who voted for former President Donald Trump are in favor of breaking up the country, a new poll from the University of Virginia Center for Politics has found.

UVA surveyed 2,012 voters - half of whom voted for Trump, the other half for President Joe Biden - in late July in order to better understand the growing split between the Democratic and Republican Parties.

The results show a country at ideological war with itself: More than half of the surveyed Trump voters - approximately 52% - said the "situation is such that I would favor [Blue/Red] states seceding from the union to form their own separate country." Approximately 41% of Biden-voting respondents answered similarly.

Some Republicans have floated proposals to secede from the union, including former Texas GOP chair Allen West. After the Supreme Court rejected a lawsuit spearheaded by the Texas attorney general aimed at overturning the 2020 presidential election results, West said that "perhaps law-abiding states should bond together and form a Union of states that will abide by the constitution."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/majority-of-trump-voters-believe-its-time-to-split-the-country-in-two-new-poll-finds/ar-AAP2A3c

Most of those red states would starve. They just don't know it.

SHOCK POLL: Majority of Trump Voters Now in Favor of Seceding from the Union

A shocking new poll from the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia reveals that over half of Trump voters polled, and 41% of Biden voters, are in favor of blue and/or red states seceding from the union. Yeah, it’s gotten that bad.

The idea that the nation’s political divide has become so toxic that we should prepare from some sort of “national divorce” has largely been left to clever thought experiments best left for dinner parties and ironically detached columns. However, we’ve now arrived at a point where more than half of Trump voters “somewhat agree” that the time for secession is nigh.

From the Center for Politics report:

Significant numbers of both Trump and Biden voters show a willingness to consider violating democratic tendencies and norms if needed to serve their priorities. Roughly 2 in 10 Trump and Biden voters strongly agree it would be better if a “President could take needed actions without being constrained by Congress or courts,” and roughly 4 in 10 (41%) of Biden and half (52%) of Trump voters at least somewhat agree that it’s time to split the country, favoring blue/red states seceding from the union.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/shock-poll-majority-of-trump-voters-now-in-favor-of-seceding-from-the-union/ar-AAP2ynV

Nothing stopping them from seceding. They just don't get to take U.S. territory with them.

Hey incels have you seen the pretty Russian women? You might try your luck there.

[kimbutgar]

1. Let them secede but NO social security, Medicare or any federal aid anymore

Let them handle their own natural disasters and taking care of their people. I am tired of these taker states.

[PatSeg]

9. Yeah, wait until they realize

all the benefits and perks they will lose, the stuff they just take for granted. Oops!

[pidge]

17. These "taker" states have more low income people....the wealthier states need no help.

I have no problem with giving assistance when needed.



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[thucythucy]

50. But why do they have "more low income people?"

Might it be because those state have less commitment to quality public education, fewer antipoverty and job training programs, unwillingness to buy into Medicaid expansion (which is mostly paid for by the federal government anyway) and such?

These same states, whose elected officials choose to reject vaccines, masks and social distancing, are now relying on blue states to treat their overflow of Covid ICU cases. This after the president they voted for chose to ignore the outbreak of the pandemic because they thought it would only affect blue states.

I have a definite problem with that.

[GoCubsGo]

37. No. Those who don't like it here can just go elsewhere.

Like they love to say: America, love it or leave it. Lots of places in the world where their extremist ideology is the norm, like Russia, Hungary, Poland (sadly), several of the former Soviet "stans"... Delta is ready when you are.

[shrike3]

59. Why don't any of these people think of the logistics of all this?

No medical, no SS. Build an army, from scratch. Even if we divvy the army up, who gets what? Who gets the nukes? No more federal highway system. No more federal dollars. Anybody thought this through?

[in2herbs]

2. Let's offer these R dumbnuts $10,000 to leave the country, start over elsewhere, and never come

back. I'd pay taxes for that.

[Corgigal]

3. Have they looked at a map of the US?

Where do they believe the economic engines are located?

[bluewater]

7. "Where do they believe the economic engines are located?"

West of the Pecos.

On the High Plains where the tumblin' tumble weed roll.



But seriously, a conservative once asked me what would all the blue costal states do if the red states stopped shipping them food and oil.

I said, "Buy them from somewhere else? You do realize they are paying for all that, right?"

Honestly, the guy was stunned speechless for a minute.

[yardwork]

54. Where does he think most of the food comes from?

I'm curious about the misinformation that allows people to believe that Texas, for instance, supplies everything the United States needs.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

57. The blue coastal states grow a lot of food

These conservatives need to get out more.

[WarGamer]

61. Economic engines change...

With a dissolution and realignment, you'd see new "powerhouse regions".

[48656c6c6f20]

4. Well I kind of hope they create the new country of

Dumbfuckistan. They would do well there.

[SoonerPride]

5. So +/- 20% of the population?

Meh

[muriel_volestrangler]

53. No, that's 28% of adults, plus an unknown number who didn't vote, or voted for others

Those who didn't vote might be apathetic, and so mostly not have an opinion on division one way or the other. But they also might be attracted to simplistic "quick fixes" like "divide the country". People who vote for fringe parties like Libertarians are probably even more likely than Republicans to think splitting up the USA is a good idea.

[Mister Ed]

6. This must please Putin greatly. n/t

[bluewater]

11. It does please Putin!

As does 2 Democratic senators obstructing President Biden's "Build Back Better" agenda.

Pootie Poot loves that.

[DeeNice]

8. If they want to leave the country, they need to actually leave it.

Not one square inch of territory for these traitors. Although it might be fun to see them run it further into the ground than the red states already are.

[fescuerescue]

10. So about 15% of the country.

Probably the same group that keeps claiming "the south will rise again"

[Ocelot II]

12. How could that even be possible?

In Civil War I the split was between two discrete collections of states. The seceding states wanted to preserve slavery (don't ever let anyone claim the reason was anything else) because slavery was the main support of those states' economy. The war was started in late 1860 by South Carolina, which declared it was seceding and immediately began seizing federally-owned forts and arsenals. Not long afterwards other states joined in, and those states got together to establish a unified government, choose a president and raise an army.

Now, even though some states are predominantly "red" and others predominantly "blue," the real split is rural vs. urban, white conservative Christian vs. pretty much everybody else. The divide isn't neatly geographic any more. Leaving aside the legal and constitutional hurdles against secession, each state would have to vote to do it but the vote would be far from unanimous, and geographically there would be a number of "countries" consisting of contiguous states scattered around the continent rather than two single opposing countries.

If some kind of war involving actual combat ever breaks out, it is more likely to be in the nature of what went on in Northern Ireland during the '60s-'80s - acts of domestic terrorism against government targets and politicians. Of course, that already happened on 1/6...

[bluewater]

14. I think they envision all the Libs in basically urban ghettos

using ghetto in the original sense of that word.

But, seriously, they're not strong on the details.

[marybourg]

47. It would only be possible in an India/Pakistan scenario.

The citizens of a red state, Texas say, would secede. Its non-secessionist citizens would self- deport ( good thing we have that term now) and secession minded citizens would pour in from other states. Contiguous states might opt to join following the same pattern. The problem might come if non-contiguous states want to join or duplicate Texas. That might become the new red line for the Union.

[bluestarone]

13. Why slpit the country?

Why don't they ALL go to RUSSIA? Their WORLD is just sitting there waiting for them! Hell i'd be willing to pass a bill in congress to PAY THEIR WAY! (as long as it is just a ONE WAY TICKET)

[Mad_Machine76]

20. Exactly

Or to Hungary, which Tucker Carlson is constantly wetting himself over nowadays. Or to a Middle Eastern country of their choosing, since many of them like the idea of living in a theocracy where abortions are illegal and LGBTQ persons can be legally imprisoned and executed. Seems like there are so many better fits for them out there.

[uponit7771]

30. RIGHT !! This isn't 1800s they can relocate with months

[former9thward]

15. There have been many, many posts on DU advocating the same thing.

And they are rarely criticized.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

16. Plenty here would love to cut southern states loose, despite what that would do to people there.

So not really a shock poll at all.

[leftyladyfrommo]

18. I live in a Red state. I think they all need to

move out into the desert far far from the rest of us.

Maybe somewhere in the unoccupied part of Texas. Or maybe in the jungles of Ghana.

[GoCubsGo]

40. Me, too. But, I think they should just leave the country if they hate it here so much.

Yep. Let them move to Ghana or Somalia or Russia or Hungary... Why let them fuck up the deserts more than they already have? Deserts are fascinating places. Unless, we're talking Saudi Arabia or Yemen...

[leftyladyfrommo]

45. I prefer deserts myself. Outer Mongolia might be

good. There's a lot of empty space out there.

[bamagal62]

44. That's what I thought.

Just send them all to Tex-ASS.

[Klaralven]

19. Or give TX, OK, NM, AZ, NV and UT back to Mexico. We'll keep CA and CO.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

21. Nevada and New Mexico have been rather reliably Democratic

They can have the rest.

[Demsrule86]

27. No, there are good Democrats in the areas you mention. They don't get shit. If they want it so bad..

let them try to take it.

[yardwork]

55. New Mexico is an awesome blue state. A highly vaxxed state, too.

Home to Deb Haaland, Secretary of the Interior, first indigenous member of the president's cabinet.

[Martin Eden]

22. They already reside in Dumbfuckistan

Inside their heads, that is.

[budkin]

23. They can secede into the oceans

See ya.

[gratuitous]

24. E pluribus unum or off to Moscow with you, mofos

Sounds like they don't know what the United States is all about.

[jcgoldie]

25. who's going to break it to the red states

...that they don't make any money?

[uponit7771]

29. ... or we can let MAGA's go to Russia, screw that they don't get the land. They get their "freeDumb"

[Irish_Dem]

42. Right, how are they going to survive without the revenue from blue states?

[Demsrule86]

26. Nobody is seceding...Trumper are maybe 25% to 30 % and plenty more won't get vaccinated so...

well you know.

[uponit7771]

28. Nooooo, they can all go to Russia let Americans have the land

[HAB911]

31. they can think their way out of a wet paper bag

[Kaleva]

32. 52% of Trump voters equates to a small percentage of adults.

[uponit7771]

33. Please change OP, the poll says ***RED STATES*** succeeding not Trump voters. Even 40%

... of dems don't want some mooching Red States

[Kaleva]

34. Majority of Trump voters in MI live in the blue areas of the state

[Grins]

35. You don't get to secede!

Constitution does not allow that. You do get to leave, though, so do it.

[NQAS]

36. I know I shouldn't say this

but. . . don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Look, I know we're all supposed to believe wholeheartedly in the UNITED States of America. But we're not united anymore. We're as disunited as we were in 1860, without the actual bloodshed and exchange of musket fire. I know we're all supposed to fall in behind the issue of being united, this too shall pass, we've come through worse, and all that. But I really believe this is different, and I think the issue needs to be out there. So, notwithstanding the legal, political, financial, etc. implications, I'm not opposed. Plus, Republicans, put your money where your mouth is. To quote you - America. Love it or leave it.

[kentuck]

38. How would it be possible?

Because people are not going to move from where they have lived all their lives, no matter how blue or how red.

How would you divide small towns and small counties all across the country?

I suppose the government could paint some houses blues and some houses red, so people would know not to talk to those people that lived in a different colored house than themselves?

[Kid Berwyn]

39. Since when do losers pick the terms of surrender? Let 'em walk.

Link to tweet

[RFCalifornia]

41. Works for me

Give everyone 3 years to relocate, we end up with the brains, and Trumpistan ends up with the losers

[Demovictory9]

43. Blue states have so many of the elite research universities

[Silent3]

46. I'd be all for it if we weren't all so mixed together

After all, there are plenty of Democrats living in red states and Trumpers living in blue states. Even the bluest of the blue and the reddest of the red have about 30% of the population that wouldn't be very happy where they ended up getting stuck.

Oh, and then there's the problem of who gets custody of the nukes. Little things like that.

Other than the above and a half dozen other serious complications, great idea.

[haele]

48. So, what do they think they're going to get?

Not the cities, those are hotbeds of liberalism anyway, and there's just enough of the secessionist minded to be able to run maybe only a few the size of say, Omaha or Birmingham, but certainly not more international cities such as Houston or Chicago.
Also, land transfer? Maybe 20% of the "conservative" population are hardcore enough to actually pursue secretion, because once most of these armchair warriors figure out how hard it is to actually create a viable community, and how long it takes to stabilize one without making sacrifices, they'll give up to let someone else do the hard work.
There's a lot of hard work, negotiations, and concessions to be made as the community grows larger than a strongman with a few dozen dedicated followers and their family members. So while they may ask for half the country, in reality they probably couldn't effectively control an area much larger than the state of Montana without splintering apart within a few years into various squabbling sects.

Most people want comfort and stability, not civil war. They aren't going to fight unless threatened or they can make their lives better, no matter how many resentful tantrums they throw when they have to follow the social contract necessary to be a citizen.

A lot of wannabe dictators and gang-bosses find this out when they get to the point their armies and supporters are no longer able to get paid because "dictator knows best" and doesn't need to consider consequences for his or her actions.

Haele

[Qutzupalotl]

49. It's easy to be glib about this and say Sayonara,

but this is a terrible, unworkable idea that undermines our democracy.

Even if we could manage to split the country with no bloodshed, the details are a nightmare. For instance: what happens to our national defense? Suppose we let soldiers choose which “country” they want to serve. Then we have two armies composed of people who hate each other. Vlad would be wetting his pants at that point.

When we’re focused on our own divisions, we are less able to respond to outside threats. That’s when our adversaries will pounce.

I truly do see Trumpers as an existential threat. And in a through-the-looking-glass sort of way, they see us as the threat. Understand that they’ve been led to believe that Trump-Russia was all a hoax, that the election was fraudulent, that Biden is a socialist, and that Antifa and BLM want to burn their cities and teach their kids to be ashamed of being white.

Maybe this site is not the forum for such sentiments, but we have to learn to live and work alongside people we strongly disagree with. It’s going to take a lot of listening and educating, remembering we’re all Americans. Maybe an external threat is needed to unite the country; I hope not. Our self-preservation is on the line now, not just our democracy.

[maxrandb]

51. JFC!!! JUST GO YOU FRICKIN MORONS!!!!!

Talk about something that would make the rest of the fucking world explode in perpetual joy.

Fuck, I wouldn't miss one of the stupid fucksticks.

[Progressive Jones]

52. They could move to Russia. All white people, and B.O. is socially acceptable. nt

[yardwork]

56. America: love it or leave it.

That's what anti-war protesters were told in the 60s.

[apnu]

58. Partiton worked out so well for Pakistan and India

Idiot Republicans. Can’t handle democracy.

[WarGamer]

60. I'm in favor of a dissolution. Let me explain why.

1) Our founding documents are too old. Every modern country in the world has a modern set of founding documents aligned to modern times.

2) Divisions are too wide. Social, economic... cultural.

3) It can be done properly, avoiding unrest.




I'd suggest one look to Czechoslovakia rather than Yugoslavia (although today... the former Yugoslav States are just fine).

It was the "Velvet Revolution" followed by the "Velvet Dissolution".

Some predicted the Czech Republic would prosper and Slovakia would be the armpit of Central Europe but nope, didn't turn out that way. Both countries have similar GDP and in fact, Slovakia has faster economic growth and more political stability.

They agreed on all the terms of dissolution, worked hand in hand.

In the US... a bipartisan commission would lay down a map and draw lines that respected the inhabitants of those areas. And then the tough part... some lands would need to be given to the other side to form contiguous nations. We can't have a "Democratic Union of the Americas" that consisted of CA, OR and WA with a 2500 mile easement connecting to PA and the NorthEast...

Assets and liabilities would be split evenly. Military assets cut in half. New Constitutions. New Currency, maybe $C and $D

There would be MAJOR population realignments funded by incentives. The black population of the Mississippi River Valley would mostly head North and the rural regions of the Northeast and Midwest would head South.

Both sides would prosper. Contrary to popular opinion, the Red States would attract PLENTY of business with fiscal policy AKA low taxation. And the Blue States... would keep on "Bluestating".

I know it sounds like ripping a bandaid off but it's for the best.

[jmowreader]

62. Oh god, not this again

In 2020, two-thirds of the eligible voters did. Trump got less than half of that. Work to the end of it and one-sixth of the country is so mad there’s no Republican in the White House they want to break the country into pieces.

My recommendation is to convert an aircraft carrier into a troop ship, load the bastards up and drop them off in sub-Saharan Africa.